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you disagree that its better than nothing? smile.png So you think its worse than nothing, jbo?

The Ughh makes whatever u say after it means nothing...lol..

No one says Ughh this is amazing.. They say ughh when they dont like it.

Just saying having extra late round picks helped us get quizz.... TD said he like them as trade bait to trade up.... I know we cant trade the comp 7th round pick but having 2 7th round picks.. It allows us the flex ability to trade up in the 5th or 6th round

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theProf, on 23 March 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Some general info I posted earlier this year in a Q & A format about compensatory draft picks that might be helpful:

1) Only FA count in determining comp picks?

Only Unrestricted Free Agents who have not been released/cut, who are signed within the free agency signing period, and whose annual compensation is over a certain minimum threshold amount, count in the compensation formula as qualified "compensable" free agents.

2) Salary (there is a threshold) determines if a comp pick can be awarded (eligiablity)?

Yes there is a minimum threshold annual compensation that the UFA has to exceed before they count as a "compensable" FA in the comp formula. That minimum threshold figure is now around $900,000 compensation per year.

3) ?Somehow? a net gain /loss is derived?

The comp formula figures the qualified compensable free agents lost by a given team versus the compensable free agents signed by that team. To receive compensatory draft picks, a team must be in a NET LOSS situation, where the number of compensable free agents lost exceed the number of compensable free agents signed, with one exception. Teams can NEVER receive a comp pick if they have a NET GAIN in compensable free agents, where the number signed exceeds the number lost.

4) If there is a net loss than a comp pick may be awarded?

If there is a net loss, then comp picks will be awarded to a team according to the net loss number up to a maximum of 4 comp picks. BTW to determine the net loss number subtract the compensable free agents signed from the number of compensable free agents lost. For example if a team signed 1 compensable free agent, but lost 3 compensable free agents, then the net loss is 2 and the team will be awarded 2 compensatory draft picks in NEXT year's draft.

5) Salary determines which round the pick is awarded in?

Annual compensation is the main factor in determining what round the compensatory picks are awarded beginning at the end of round 3 through the end of round 7. To get a round 3 comp pick a team would need to have a net loss of a very highly compensated free agent, probably over $6 million compensation per year. The annual compensation is basicly determined by taking the player's new total contract amount and dividing by the number of years of the new contract. Other minor additional factors include playing time and postseason honors.

6) ? Otherwise the comp picks are added on in a "rouind 8" in normal order for that year?

The draft ends at the end of Round 7, but see next answer.

7) ? There are a total of 32 comp picks actually used each year?

Yep, 32 is the total number of comp picks awarded each year. If the number of awarded comp picks are less than 32, then some "non-compensatory" draft picks will be added to get to the 32 total. These additional non-compensatory picks are awarded at the very end of Round 7 to teams as if a Round 8 of the draft occurred. Hope this helps some with your questions.

As for the Falcons specific situation for the 2012 compensatory draft, my previously stated opinion as follows:

The Falcons lost UFA's Koenen and Dahl, and signed UFA's Ray Edwards and Reggie Kelly. Atlanta also signed James Sanders and Kelvin Hayden, but these two will not count in the comp formula against the Falcons because they were released. Reggie Kelly may or may not count in the comp formula, as he may have signed for less than a threshold minimum amount. However, Kelly had to sign for at least the over 10-year vet minimum, which is over previous years' threshold minimums.

Therefore, if Reggie Kelly does count in the comp formula, then Atlanta will receive NO compensatory pick, because they would not be in a net loss situation. If Kelly does not count as a qualified compensatory free agent signing, then Atlanta would be due one compensatory draft pick, since they would have a net loss of one.

In that case, either Dahl or Koenen, whoever has the higher annual compensation, will cancel out Ray Edwards. Then Dahl or Koenen's annual compensation, whoever is the lesser, will be used to determine in what round Atlanta's compensatory pick will be awarded. Dahl's contract details with the Rams have never been disclosed. Koenen signed with the Bucs for an annual compensation of $3.25 million per year, which would probably equate to a 6th round comp pick, but ONLY if Reggie Kelly does NOT count as a qualified compensatory signing in the comp formula.

From today's announcement:

NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 15 teams

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 26, 2012, 4:26 PM EDT

[Editor's note: The NFL has formally announced the awarding of compensatory picks for the 2012 NFL draft. The league's full announcement appears below.]

A total of 32 compensatory choices in the 2012 NFL Draft have been awarded to 15 teams, the NFL announced today.

Under the rules for compensatory draft selections, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.

The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four. The 32 compensatory choices announced today will supplement the 221 choices in the seven rounds of the 2012 NFL Draft (April 26-28), which will kick off in primetime for the third consecutive year.

The first round will be held on Thursday, April 26 and begin at 8:00 PM ET. The second and third rounds are set for Friday, April 27 at 7:00 PM ET followed by rounds 4-7 on Saturday, April 28 at Noon ET.

This year, the compensatory picks will be positioned within the third through seventh rounds based on the value of the compensatory free agents lost.

Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.

Three clubs this year (Atlanta, San Diego and Buffalo) will each receive a compensatory pick even though they did not suffer a net loss of compensatory free agents last year. Under the formula, the compensatory free agents lost by these clubs were ranked higher than the ones they signed (by a specified point differential based upon salary and performance).

Thirty compensatory picks were awarded to clubs based upon the compensatory pick formula. By rule, two additional choices were awarded at the end of the seventh round to bring the total number of compensatory selections to 32, equaling the number of NFL clubs. The two additional picks were awarded to St. Louis and Indianapolis based upon the 2012 draft selection order.

The following 2012 compensatory draft picks have been determined by the NFL Management Council:

ROUND/OVERALL SELECTION/TEAM

3/95/Oakland

4/128/Minnesota

4/129/Oakland

4/130/Baltimore

4/131/New York Giants

4/132/Green Bay

4/133/Green Bay

4/134/Minnesota

4/135/Dallas

5/168/Oakland

5/169/Baltimore

5/170/Indianapolis

6/202/New York Jets

6/203/New York Jets

6/204/Cleveland

6/205/Cleveland

6/206/Indianapolis

6/207/Carolina

7/240/Pittsburgh

7/241/Green Bay

7/242/New York Jets

7/243/Green Bay

7/244/New York Jets

7/245/Cleveland

7/246/Pittsburgh

7/247/Cleveland

7/248/Pittsburgh

7/249/Atlanta

7/250/San Diego

7/251/Buffalo

7/252/St. Louis

7/253/Indianapolis

Following are the compensatory free agents lost and signed last year by the clubs that will receive compensatory picks in the 2012 NFL Draft:

ATLANTA

Lost:

Harvey Dahl, Michael Koenen

Signed:

Ray Edwards, Reggie Kelly

BALTIMORE

Lost:

Chris Chester, Dawan Landry, Le’Ron McClain, Donte’ Stallworth, Josh Wilson

Signed:

Vonta Leach, Bernard Pollard, Ricky Williams

BUFFALO

Lost:

Paul Posluszny, Donte Whitner

Signed:

Brad Smith, Tyler Thigpen

CAROLINA

Lost:

Jeff King, Richard Marshall, Matt Moore

Signed:

Ron Edwards, Olindo Mare

CLEVELAND

Lost:

Abram Elam, Matt Roth, Chansi Stuckey, Jason Trusnik, Lawrence Vickers, Floyd Womack, Eric Wright

Signed:

Brandon Jackson, Dimitri Patterson, Usama Young

DALLAS

Lost:

Stephen Bowen, Sam Hurd

Signed:

Abram Elam

GREEN BAY

Lost:

Daryn Colledge, Korey Hall, Brandon Jackson, Cullen Jenkins, Jason Spitz

INDIANAPOLIS

Lost:

Charlie Johnson, Clint Session

MINNESOTA

Lost:

Ray Edwards, Ben Leber, Tarvaris Jackson, Sidney Rice

Signed:

Remi Ayodele, Charlie Johnson

NEW YORK GIANTS

Lost:

Kevin Boss, Barry Cofield, Steve Smith

Signed:

David Baas, Steve Weatherford

NEW YORK JETS

Lost:

Drew Coleman, Braylon Edwards, Shaun Ellis, Brad Smith, Steve Weatherford

OAKLAND

Lost:

Nnamdi Asomugha, Robert Gallery, Bruce Gradkowski, Zach Miller, Thomas Howard

Signed:

Kevin Boss, Stephen Heyer

PITTSBURGH

Lost:

Nick Eason, Keyaron Fox, Matt Spaeth

SAN DIEGO

Lost:

Kevin Burnett, Darren Sproles

Signed:

Travis LaBoy, Takeo Spikes

TOTAL 2012 NFL COMPENSATORY DRAFT PICKS

Cleveland: 4

Green Bay: 4

New York Jets: 4

Indianapolis: 3

Oakland: 3

Pittsburgh: 3

Baltimore: 2

Minnesota: 2

Atlanta: 1

Buffalo: 1

Carolina: 1

Dallas: 1

New York Giants: 1

St. Louis: 1

San Diego: 1

TOTAL: 32

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If they would put me in charge of this pick I would find us a stud fullback. He might be a quick

pulling guard in college or a short tight end but I believe I could identify a good one if I had

the resources that the Falcons have. He would be put on the practice squad for a year and

then look out!. Bodies would be flying!

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If they would put me in charge of this pick I would find us a stud fullback. He might be a quick

pulling guard in college or a short tight end but I believe I could identify a good one if I had

the resources that the Falcons have. He would be put on the practice squad for a year and

then look out!. Bodies would be flying!

Darrell Scott, plays both FB and RB, kinda a bigger, faster Jason Snelling, but rough around the edges, but like you said: practice squad.

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theProf, on 23 March 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

3) ?Somehow? a net gain /loss is derived?

The comp formula figures the qualified compensable free agents lost by a given team versus the compensable free agents signed by that team. To receive compensatory draft picks, a team must be in a NET LOSS situation, where the number of compensable free agents lost exceed the number of compensable free agents signed, with one exception. Teams can NEVER receive a comp pick if they have a NET GAIN in compensable free agents, where the number signed exceeds the number lost.

Three clubs this year (Atlanta, San Diego and Buffalo) will each receive a compensatory pick even though they did not suffer a net loss of compensatory free agents last year. Under the formula, the compensatory free agents lost by these clubs were ranked higher than the ones they signed (by a specified point differential based upon salary and performance).

Atlanta fell into the one exception that I alluded to above whereby a club can receive a compensatory pick, even if the team had no Net Loss in the comp formula. If a team does not have a Net Loss, but the aggregate value of the free agents lost significantly exceed the value of the free agents signed, then that team may receive a comp pick at the end of the 7th round. Three teams hit that exception this year.

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Darrell Scott, plays both FB and RB, kinda a bigger, faster Jason Snelling, but rough around the edges, but like you said: practice squad.

He strikes me as a running back. I watched some youtube of him and he would have to learn

to block. He was the number one high school running back in the country coming out and I don't

think he is nearly obsure enough to last to the 7th round. He is a potential Turner replacement.

There is talent to be had in the 7th round but it is going to come with thorough digging. The fullback

I would be looking for would be a blocker and short yardage guy. If he ever caught a screen pass

DB's would duck him. I am talking about a bad hombre.

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theProf, on 23 March 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

1) Only FA count in determining comp picks?

Only Unrestricted Free Agents who have not been released/cut, who are signed within the free agency signing period, and whose annual compensation is over a certain minimum threshold amount, count in the compensation formula as qualified "compensable" free agents.

So, just to clarify, this would mean that Marcus Mcneil would not contribute to the Chargers net loss. So my question is, if we sign him, since he was cut, would he count toward our net gain, in spite of not counting toward the Chargers net loss?

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So what will we get for Lofton next year?

No way to even guess until the free agency period is over, sometime in late June, to see if the Falcons end up in a net loss situation. At this point in free agency, Atlanta has lost two compensable free agents: Lofton and Weems. Weems' compensation is $4.2m for 3 years or an annual compensation of $1.4 million, which would equate to a 7th round pick, if not cancelled out by a FA signing.

Lofton's contract details have not been disclosed yet. I'm guessing somewhere around $5 million per year, which would probably equate to a 5th round pick, if his signing is not cancelled out by a subsequent Falcons FA signing. Tatupu and Manuwai will NOT count as FA signings, because they were out of football last season. Therefore, the Falcons do not yet have any compensable free agent signings thus far, so they are currently at a net loss of 2, but this can change.

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