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Hard to get excited about a 6th or 7th rounder. Outside of Vance all we've ever gotten were STers and camp fodder in those rounds.

I assume you mean under TD's regime, and not throughout all of Falcons' history...? If so, I'd have to agree with you. The only other late or undrafted pick who I can think of who's been a solid contributor under TD is Michael Palmer.

But if we're looking back through Falcons' history in general, just in active/recent players alone I can think of Todd McClure, Brent Grimes, Eric Weems, and Jason Snelling who were all drafted in Round 6, 7 or were undrafted.

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Hard to get excited about a 6th or 7th rounder. Outside of Vance all we've ever gotten were STers and camp fodder in those rounds.

Wow, you need to look again, Look at how many players not even drafted last year that played like 1st round picks. There are always very good players in the last two rounds an if anybody can peg one ,, it's TD.

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Some general info I posted earlier this year in a Q & A format about compensatory draft picks that might be helpful:

1) Only FA count in determining comp picks?

Only Unrestricted Free Agents who have not been released/cut, who are signed within the free agency signing period, and whose annual compensation is over a certain minimum threshold amount, count in the compensation formula as qualified "compensable" free agents.

2) Salary (there is a threshold) determines if a comp pick can be awarded (eligiablity)?

Yes there is a minimum threshold annual compensation that the UFA has to exceed before they count as a "compensable" FA in the comp formula. That minimum threshold figure is now around $900,000 compensation per year.

3) ?Somehow? a net gain /loss is derived?

The comp formula figures the qualified compensable free agents lost by a given team versus the compensable free agents signed by that team. To receive compensatory draft picks, a team must be in a NET LOSS situation, where the number of compensable free agents lost exceed the number of compensable free agents signed, with one exception. Teams can NEVER receive a comp pick if they have a NET GAIN in compensable free agents, where the number signed exceeds the number lost.

4) If there is a net loss than a comp pick may be awarded?

If there is a net loss, then comp picks will be awarded to a team according to the net loss number up to a maximum of 4 comp picks. BTW to determine the net loss number subtract the compensable free agents signed from the number of compensable free agents lost. For example if a team signed 1 compensable free agent, but lost 3 compensable free agents, then the net loss is 2 and the team will be awarded 2 compensatory draft picks in NEXT year's draft.

5) Salary determines which round the pick is awarded in?

Annual compensation is the main factor in determining what round the compensatory picks are awarded beginning at the end of round 3 through the end of round 7. To get a round 3 comp pick a team would need to have a net loss of a very highly compensated free agent, probably over $6 million compensation per year. The annual compensation is basicly determined by taking the player's new total contract amount and dividing by the number of years of the new contract. Other minor additional factors include playing time and postseason honors.

6) ? Otherwise the comp picks are added on in a "rouind 8" in normal order for that year?

The draft ends at the end of Round 7, but see next answer.

7) ? There are a total of 32 comp picks actually used each year?

Yep, 32 is the total number of comp picks awarded each year. If the number of awarded comp picks are less than 32, then some "non-compensatory" draft picks will be added to get to the 32 total. These additional non-compensatory picks are awarded at the very end of Round 7 to teams as if a Round 8 of the draft occurred. Hope this helps some with your questions.

As for the Falcons specific situation for the 2012 compensatory draft, my previously stated opinion as follows:

The Falcons lost UFA's Koenen and Dahl, and signed UFA's Ray Edwards and Reggie Kelly. Atlanta also signed James Sanders and Kelvin Hayden, but these two will not count in the comp formula against the Falcons because they were released. Reggie Kelly may or may not count in the comp formula, as he may have signed for less than a threshold minimum amount. However, Kelly had to sign for at least the over 10-year vet minimum, which is over previous years' threshold minimums.

Therefore, if Reggie Kelly does count in the comp formula, then Atlanta will receive NO compensatory pick, because they would not be in a net loss situation. If Kelly does not count as a qualified compensatory free agent signing, then Atlanta would be due one compensatory draft pick, since they would have a net loss of one.

In that case, either Dahl or Koenen, whoever has the higher annual compensation, will cancel out Ray Edwards. Then Dahl or Koenen's annual compensation, whoever is the lesser, will be used to determine in what round Atlanta's compensatory pick will be awarded. Dahl's contract details with the Rams have never been disclosed. Koenen signed with the Bucs for an annual compensation of $3.25 million per year, which would probably equate to a 6th round comp pick, but ONLY if Reggie Kelly does NOT count as a qualified compensatory signing in the comp formula.

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Wow, you need to look again, Look at how many players not even drafted last year that played like 1st round picks. There are always very good players in the last two rounds an if anybody can peg one ,, it's TD.

6th - Matt Bosher - good STer

7th - Andrew Jackson - dead president

7th - Cliff Matthews - inactive all year

6th - Shann Schllinger - STer and average at that

6th - Spencer Adkins - decent STer

7th - Vance Walker - good DT depth

6th - Thomas Brown - probably out of the league

7th - Wilrey Fontenot - who?

7th - Keith Zinger - you kiddin me right?

TD is an average draft guru in all rounds. He sucks monkey balls in the late rounds. Some of your mocks were better.

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Maybe TD can call Dan Reeves in as a consultant when the sixth and seventh rounds roll around. He blew several picks too but he knew how to find late round Olinemen which TD could use right about now:

6th - Calvin Collins - starting LG on 98 Super Bowl team. 56 starts on two different teams

7th - Ephraim Salaam - starting RT on 98 Super Bowl team. 129 starts on five different teams

7th - Todd McClure - long time starting center. 179 starts on 12 Falcon teams

7th - Kevin Shaeffer - starting LT for three different teams. 93 total starts

7th - Kynan Forney - starting RG for seven Falcon teams. 89 total starts

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Maybe TD can call Dan Reeves in as a consultant when the sixth and seventh rounds roll around. He blew several picks too but he knew how to find late round Olinemen which TD could use right about now:

6th - Calvin Collins - starting LG on 98 Super Bowl team. 56 starts on two different teams

7th - Ephraim Salaam - starting RT on 98 Super Bowl team. 129 starts on five different teams

7th - Todd McClure - long time starting center. 179 starts on 12 Falcon teams

7th - Kevin Shaeffer - starting LT for three different teams. 93 total starts

7th - Kynan Forney - starting RG for seven Falcon teams. 89 total starts

i see where you are coming from but TD has been here since what 2008? so give him some time. K thx.

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Calvin Collins and Forney sucked for the most part. Forney had a couple of good years but that was it...

And Hawley didn't suck? Come on Cappy.

Calvin Collins was road grading for Jam and keeping Crystal on his feet all the way to the Bowl. Like you said Forney had some good years here. I'm just surprised you left McClure off the list.

Admit it, Reeves was good at finding decent Olinemen late in the draft. TD has spent a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th on SackMaker, Johnson, Hawley, Reynolds and Jackson. Neither has been impressive so far. Not to mention trading two seconds to move up for SackMaker. I think you and DraftNut57 could do a better job in the war room finding some Olinemen.

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As for the Falcons specific situation for the 2012 compensatory draft, my previously stated opinion as follows:

Therefore, if Reggie Kelly does count in the comp formula, then Atlanta will receive NO compensatory pick, because they would not be in a net loss situation. If Kelly does not count as a qualified compensatory free agent signing, then Atlanta would be due one compensatory draft pick, since they would have a net loss of one.

Thats going to suck if Kelly counts against our compensation. E Hartwell all over again...

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