Seriously, How Is Obama Supposed To Work With Republicans After This?

[Leon Troutsky]

They hold the debt ceiling hostage and risk defaulting on our debt in order to elicit spending cuts they can't get via legislation. They agree to defense and social spending cuts to end the crisis they created. They stack the deficit commission with anti-tax people to blow up any possible deal.

And now they want to break the deal they negotiated to end the crisis they created by eliminating the proposed defense spending cuts.

At what point can we finally say that one side is creating the bulk of the dysfunction in our government?

http://nationaljournal.com/budget/ryan-budget-to-include-firewall-of-defense-sequester-20120315

House Republicans are planning to pull the defense-spending cuts mandated by sequestration off the table in their version of the budget expected to be released next week, according to two Hill aides.

President Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta have stated they want defense spending to be part of a larger budget deal on taxes and spending. The sequester mandates that both defense and discretionary spending will take a hit beginning next January. Defense spending would account for $600 billion of all mandated cuts over 10 years.

Some Republicans not wanting to flirt with national security have said they want to keep defense out of the negotiations surrounding the sequester, which are expected to last until after the November elections. Panetta has stated any further cuts could be “devastating,” but has insisted Congress should negotiate on taxes and spending in a comprehensive way without pulling defense.

The bill is expected to emulate some aspects of a proposal first introduced by House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon, R-Calif., in December. McKeon’s original bill would delay the first year of defense cuts mandated by the sequester, instead offering an equivalent amount through federal workforce cuts. Senate Armed Services Committee ranking member John McCain, R-Ariz., has introduced a similar measure.

Republican defense leaders have protested that the military was taking the brunt of spending cuts. But by firewalling defense from further cuts, House Republicans would need to pay for those expected cuts another way. At a House Budget Committee hearing, Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., told Panetta he felt entitlement spending should be on the table.

“With regards to the Budget Control Act, an across-the-board $97 billion discretionary spending cut will be imposed on January 2, 2013, including devastating cuts to our national security,” Ryan said in statement provided to National Journal. “House Republicans are continuing their efforts to reprioritize the savings called for under the Budget Control Act, because our troops and military families shouldn’t pay the price for Washington’s failure to take action.”

Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a statement, “The Speaker and Chairman McKeon are working towards a shared goal: ensuring that we have $1.2 trillion in additional deficit reduction, but doing it in a way that does not ‘hollow out’ our Armed Forces or jeopardize our national security.”

[falconsd56]

When are they going to admit defense spending is not just about defense?

I know we have a few contractors on here and they all can attest we spend wayyyyyyy too much on stuff that has little to do with actual defense.

[Rambler]

I dont think anyone from the right ever had any illusions that Obama wanted serious budget cuts in anything other than Defense .

[Leon Troutsky]

I dont think anyone from the right ever had any illusions that Obama wanted serious budget cuts in anything other than Defense .

Except that he accepted budget cuts outside of defense spending. Obama isn't the one who held the debt ceiling hostage. He's not the one trying to weasel out of the deal he agreed to just a few months ago.

[Leon Troutsky]

When are they going to admit defense spending is not just about defense?

I know we have a few contractors on here and they all can attest we spend wayyyyyyy too much on stuff that has little to do with actual defense.

For me, it's not even that. It's the fact that they created a manufactured crisis, got the concessions they wanted, and now they're trying to weasel out of that deal so they only get the social domestic cuts they wanted all along.

How is a president supposed to work with a party that at every stage is willing to create crises that threaten the US economy and then back out of the deals they agreed to less than a year ago?

How can any government function properly with this kind of insane situation?

[Mr. Hoopah!]

These republicans have one goal and one goal only, and they will post it on facebook and tell it to your face: to do whatever it takes to keep Obama out of the whitehouse in 2012.

[cali_fan420]

The Judicial budget has been cut by up to 15%, which includes employee spending and IT spending, among other things. He has made major cuts in Federal spending for government jobs. He's also cut a bunch of other small ticket items that the Republicans wanted. He's also given the defense budget increases over the last few years. Let's not pretend like all he was gunning for was the defense budget.

[falconsd56]

The Judicial budget has been cut by up to 15%, which includes employee spending and IT spending, among other things. He has made major cuts in Federal spending for government jobs. He's also cut a bunch of other small ticket items that the Republicans wanted. He's also given the defense budget increases over the last few years. Let's not pretend like all he was gunning for was the defense budget.

but but but he hates the military.....right?

[GasGuzzler]

good, they shoodent bow down to the soshulist Obiden. if we aloud him to do whatever he wonts the price of bred will be 9 dollers by the end of the month

[cnasty]

These republicans have one goal and one goal only, and they will post it on facebook and tell it to your face: to do whatever it takes to keep Obama out of the whitehouse in 2012.

Here, have a "like" for speaking some truths.

[Flip Flop]

You dont get to spend more money than everyone before you combined and then claim that 'they' wont let you cut spending. Sorry, you just cant do it.

[falconsd56]

You dont get to spend more money than everyone before you combined and then claim that 'they' wont let you cut spending. Sorry, you just cant do it.

The problem is that actually did not happen.

Its a nice fox news talking point but that is not reality.

"His" new spending actually is much much lower then how it is portrayed on fox news.

[pencilpusher. just because]

I dont think anyone from the right ever had any illusions that Obama wanted serious budget cuts in anything other than Defense .

Why use ten bullets when you can use one?

Its funnt how so many " conservatives" want to argue that thrwing money at a problem is not the answer, unless it comes to defense.

So you want to argue about the amount of money being spent or the results?

[Rambler]

Why use ten bullets when you can use one?

Its funnt how so many " conservatives" want to argue that thrwing money at a problem is not the answer, unless it comes to defense.

So you want to argue about the amount of money being spent or the results?

You probably think those Seal Team members hitchhiked to Pakistan in order to accomplish their mission. It took helicopters to get the seal team in place to take out Bin Laden. It took ships to deliver those helicopters to a position they could launch from. It took a military infrastructure you never think about in order to pull something like that off. I have never said that military cuts are not in order with the budget crisis we currently face, I take the position that everyone gets hit equally and let the chips fall where they may.

[pencilpusher. just because]

You probably think those Seal Team members hitchhiked to Pakistan in order to accomplish their mission. It took helicopters to get the seal team in place to take out Bin Laden. It took ships to deliver those helicopters to a position they could launch from. It took a military infrastructure you never think about in order to pull something like that off. I have never said that military cuts are not in order with the budget crisis we currently face, I take the position that everyone gets hit equally and let the chips fall where they may.

I didn't say a thing about how they did it. There you go arguing money spent Vs results again.

The last guy spent 8 years doing what these guys did in three.

It's the RESULTS, dummy

[Gritzblitz 2.0]

With the deficits we're running, the cuts being squabbled over amount to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

But still, the GOP is displaying political 'baggery at it's finest.

[Leon Troutsky]

You probably think those Seal Team members hitchhiked to Pakistan in order to accomplish their mission. It took helicopters to get the seal team in place to take out Bin Laden. It took ships to deliver those helicopters to a position they could launch from. It took a military infrastructure you never think about in order to pull something like that off. I have never said that military cuts are not in order with the budget crisis we currently face, I take the position that everyone gets hit equally and let the chips fall where they may.

So you oppose the Republicans trying to shield defense cuts and reneging on their agreement last year, right?

[Mr. Gabriel]

It's an all out plan to hold the country hostage just to spite the man who beat us and I approve of it.

[Serendipity]

It's an all out plan to hold the country hostage just to spite the man who beat us and I approve of it.

Ok this getting out of hand ...............but I'm still luving it

[Mr. Gabriel]

Ok this getting out of hand ...............but I'm still luving it

Of course you love it you dirty muslim nazi commy liberal.

[Leon Troutsky]

It's an all out plan to hold the country hostage just to spite the man who beat us and I approve of it.

BWAHAHAHA!!!!

[Guest Deisel]

Acworth, did Obama and Harry Reid, Pelosi allow GOP debate and perspective during the Healthcare legislation? Did Obama lie on National TV when he recently cried that Boehner and the GOP walked away from the debt debate and raising tax's? Did Obama keep his word to do many of the things he championed and campaigned about in the lead up to his presidency? Has Obama not broken promises, thwarted reasonable, Pro American, job creation proposals, all to appease his fanatical, frothing far left base? This president has put in place nation killing regulations and you find it crystal clear that the opposition is in the wrong. Revisionists down the road will replay these events and Obama will go down as the worst president in 2 centuries.

[Leon Troutsky]

Acworth, did Obama and Harry Reid, Pelosi allow GOP debate and perspective during the Healthcare legislation? Did Obama lie on National TV when he recently cried that Boehner and the GOP walked away from the debt debate and raising tax's? Did Obama keep his word to do many of the things he championed and campaigned about in the lead up to his presidency? Has Obama not broken promises, thwarted reasonable, Pro American, job creation proposals, all to appease his fanatical, frothing far left base? This president has put in place nation killing regulations and you find it crystal clear that the opposition is in the wrong. Revisionists down the road will replay these events and Obama will go down as the worst president in 2 centuries.

Obama did include many GOP ideas in the health care proposal. The individual mandate itself is something that Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney both endorsed just a decade ago.

Regarding the grand bargain, accounts differ but we do know that Eric Cantor and the Tea Party folks in Congress put a lid on the deal because they refused any and all tax cuts.

But where has Obama struck a public agreement with the Republicans and then backed out of that agreement? When has that happened in recent history where a major party struck a public deal (to end a crisis they invented) and then reneged on it?

[Guest Deisel]

Obama did include many GOP ideas in the health care proposal. The individual mandate itself is something that Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney both endorsed just a decade ago.

Regarding the grand bargain, accounts differ but we do know that Eric Cantor and the Tea Party folks in Congress put a lid on the deal because they refused any and all tax cuts.

But where has Obama struck a public agreement with the Republicans and then backed out of that agreement? When has that happened in recent history where a major party struck a public deal (to end a crisis they invented) and then reneged on it?

Boehner and Cantor actually agreed to the tax increases, but insisted on Cuts. Obama could not take the deal, alot like Yasser Arafat wouldn't take the deal with the Israeli's. Obama's far left would Never allow it, and he then lied on TV about it. Then that jack arse, Biden went out to flint Michegan and cried more rapes, more crime will come about because of the GOPs lack of raising the debt limits. And acworth, Mitt and Newt NEVER served up anything close to Obama's take over on healthcare and the GOP was shut out of the debate as was the medical community as a whole. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2012/03/15/gIQAHyyfJS_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop

[Mr. Gabriel]

Mitt and Newt NEVER served up anything close to Obama's take over on healthcare

That is the total truth brother. All of those interviews with newt where he proposed the exact same mandate idea Obama introduced, as did Mitt, were all just stunt doubles. Only you and I can see this. We should be buds. How about brunch?

Edited March 20, 2012 by Mr. Gabriel