Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Why wasn't age an issue when we re-signed Tony Gonzalez? However, age seemed like the prevailing argument against signing Abraham. In addition, people say that Abe doesn't show up in big games. Heck, he looked pretty good to me against the Giants in the playoffs. Seemed like the only person that wanted to get after Eli. Where has Tony been in big games? Maybe the good/great teams know how to game plan to take away the few threats we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 You're crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Why wasn't age an issue when we re-signed Tony Gonzalez? However, age seemed like the prevailing argument against signing Abraham. In addition, people say that Abe doesn't show up in big games. Heck, he looked pretty good to me against the Giants in the playoffs. Seemed like the only person that wanted to get after Eli. Where has Tony been in big games? Maybe the good/great teams know how to game plan to take away the few threats we have.Just like the same BS that used against Grimes. Fans are fickle and turn on players VERY quick. The problem though is that Tony G has always bee steady and healthy. Abe has been inconsistent and has a problem groin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Talk to me when Abe starts living on Kelp and writes a nutrition book.That said, I don't think Abe's too old to play, just too old to pay $12 million a year to. Not to mention he's had perennial groin issues. Tony has been practically injury free for like 90% of his career.I;m glad Abe's back. He'll have a 10 sack year, easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Just like the same BS that used against Grimes. Fans are fickle and turn on players VERY quick.The problem though is that Tony G has always bee steady and healthy. Abe has been inconsistent and has a problem groin.I get that. I just feel that Abe is more important to the team's overall success than Gonazalez. Tony is a luxury, more than a necessity, seeing that we have two stud #1 receivers. On the other hand, without Abraham, we have nothing in terms of a pass rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Talk to me when Abe starts living on Kelp and writes a nutrition book.That said, I don't think Abe's too old to play, just too old to pay $12 million a year to. Not to mention he's had perennial groin issues. Tony has been practically injury free for like 90% of his career.I;m glad Abe's back. He'll have a 10 sack year, easy.IMHO, John Abraham knew darn well he wasn't getting $12 million a year at his age. That was something that was thrown out there by him for the fans and media to nibble on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Imagine all the third downs we converted with Tony? Roddy was off this season and Julio isn't really Mr.Surehands. Tony has been an elite TE every season and you just dont let him go. Abe was not elite this season, and he misses games. Tony important to our offense more than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 And last year'f groin injury came while beasting against the Bears game one I beleive. **** he showed up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Imagine all the third downs we converted with Tony? Roddy was off this season and Julio isn't really Mr.Surehands. Tony has been an elite TE every season and you just dont let him go. Abe was not elite this season, and he misses games. Tony important to our offense more than you think.Didn't Roddy lead the league in third down conversions? Yes he did (tied with Megatron and Welker with 77). For being "off" last season, Roddy did pretty good in that category. I just love revisionist history. Edited March 18, 2012 by Slick Skillet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeNeedaQB Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Why wasn't age an issue when we re-signed Tony Gonzalez? However, age seemed like the prevailing argument against signing Abraham. In addition, people say that Abe doesn't show up in big games. Heck, he looked pretty good to me against the Giants in the playoffs. Seemed like the only person that wanted to get after Eli. Where has Tony been in big games? Maybe the good/great teams know how to game plan to take away the few threats we have.Exactly! And when TG goes out on a pass route the defense has to worry about Roddy, Julio, as well. When Abe rushes the passer the o-line is only concerned about him. Not to mention the fact that tight ends are no where near as valuable as a defensive end. The tight end its more of a mismatch position than a skill position. You can pluck a power forward off of a college basketball team and as long as he has heart he can walk right into the nfl and dominate as a tight end. Quality defensive ends are much harder to find.But Blank is a marketing guy. He only cares about players that get photographed.. Receivers, running backs, Qb's.Basically? A joke.Not to mention. I don't even recall any tweets from T G. Abe tweets and shares his world with fans all the time. He just isn't appreciated. Edited March 18, 2012 by WeNeedaQB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 We have weapons on offense but we have no pass rush on defense. That's why it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 I think re-signing Tony had more to do with keeping a future Hall of Famer on the team and having him retire as a Falcon. Tony is still productive, don't misunderstand what I'm saying, it's just how this franchise works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Falcon Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Tony is still playing at a high level... Abe can only take advantage of sub par offensive linemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 I think this offense would be just as explosive with a new offensive coordinator, Roddy & Julio, and a rookie TE (Fleener or Orson Charles). That $7 million could have helped fixed the oline and signed Lofton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Tony is still playing at a high level... Abe can only take advantage of sub par offensive linemen.What top notch defenses did Tony "BEAST" against? Tony's best games in terms of catches came against Minnesota, Seattle, Philly, Carolina, and Houston. Except for Houston, looks like some "not so good" defenses. Edited March 18, 2012 by Slick Skillet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 We've seen a pretty significant slowdown form Gonzo during his time in Atlanta. He's gone from a threat to a security blanket, but it is a lot easier for a sure-handed TE to find a role after he's lost a step. A DE who starts losing his burst is in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEIST Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Tony is Matt Ryans safety blanket. Abe, while good, is old AND injured constantly. That's why age is a problem with Abe. His age isn't helping out his durability at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Tony is Matt Ryans safety blanket. Abe, while good, is old AND injured constantly. That's why age is a problem with Abe. His age isn't helping out his durability at all.And being Matt Ryan's security is not all it's cracked up to be. Dumping it off for 5 yards on 3rd and 11 doesn't cut it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Didn't Roddy lead the league in third down conversions? Yes he did (tied with Megatron and Welker with 77).For being "off" last season, Roddy did pretty good in that category. I just love revisionist history.Yes, but without Tony G, Roddy would have been targeted a lot more, and as a result dropped more passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Has anyone else noticed how Matt Ryan has to throw a near perfect ball to Tony because the defender is draped all over him? Being 37 when the season starts will not improve his foot speed and change of direction ability at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slick Skillet Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Yes, but without Tony G, Roddy would have been targeted a lot more, and as a result dropped more passes.So what are you saying? Tony is making Roddy better? I think you have it backwards my friend. Defenses are inclined to gives us Tony's production and take away Roddy. With Julio's emergence, Tony will definitely get single coverage. I would love to see Roddy get single coverage all game. Same for Julio. You saw what he did to Aqib Talib in that Tampa game? Edited March 18, 2012 by Slick Skillet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooon Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Talk to me when Abe starts living on Kelp and writes a nutrition book.That said, I don't think Abe's too old to play, just too old to pay $12 million a year to. Not to mention he's had perennial groin issues. Tony has been practically injury free for like 90% of his career.I;m glad Abe's back. He'll have a 10 sack year, easy.the thread should've ended here ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Age wasn't the biggest factor... The fact that he was asking for 12mil a season was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Allen Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 One is the greatest ever to play their positionOne is above average and seems to only excel against below average teamsNow lets play who is who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Just like the same BS that used against Grimes. Fans are fickle and turn on players VERY quick.The problem though is that Tony G has always bee steady and healthy. Abe has been inconsistent and has a problem groin.I'm not fickle with Grimes. I have never really been a fan of his skillset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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