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Lofa Tatupu - Vince Manuwai - "free" Agents Affect On 2013 Compensation Picks


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As most of you know, compensation picks are awarded each year by calculating the value and amount of free agents lost the previous season.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Lofa and Vince will "cancel out" some of the picks we would get if we lose some of our FAs since this is considered the previous league year. If you sign a player after the June 1st deadline you are not penalized and this is still the 2011 league year. Their contracts weren't too much anyways, but with playing time and incentives they might have cancelled out picks we'd earn from losing FA's.

It's a numbers game. If we are lucky enough to sign Mario Williams, he will only cost us one potential draft pick which would have been gained from losing Lofton or Abraham(whoever earns the highest pick). If he's the only qualifying FA we sign, we'd be due several picks in 2013. It seems like 3 might be the max amount that can be earned each year but I'm not sure. With the limited cap space we'd have if we sign him, we'll need the picks.

Great job by the front office finding low risk contracts, high reward players if they have recovered from injuries.

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They dont count.... Even if it was a year ago... They were released.... To count towards comp picks in a positive or negative way... You have to be a natural FA.... Meaning your contract has to run out... Example... Mario Williams

Good point, I knew that but wasn't even thinking about it since it happened last year.

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And for a better look at what the formula is, I'll try to sum it up.

The basic formula for compensatory selections is the # of Qualifying Free Agents lost - the # of Qualifying Free agents gained. So, in our case, if Abe signs somewhere and Curtis signs somewhere we will be losing 2 qualifying free agents. If we sign Mario, we'll be signing 1 qualifying Free Agent. That would leave us due one compensatory selection assuming no other moves are made.

As for the value of the pick, the pick's max value is the 33rd pick in the 3rd round. Picks are distributed according to on field production, size of contract, post season superlatives and such. Basically the practical loss of value for any given player.

There does exist the chance that a team could be awarded a compensatory selection if its number of QFAs lost is the same as its QFAs gained. This happens when the QFAs lost are of greater value than those gained. In that situation, the compensatory selection can only be a 7th round pick.

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Some questions that I answered about compensatory draft picks in an earlier topic thread:

1) Only FA count in determining comp picks

Only Unrestricted Free Agents who have not been released/cut, who are signed within the free agency signing period, and whose annual compensation is over a certain minimum threshold amount, count in the compensation formula as qualified "compensable" free agents.

2) Salary (there is a threshold) determines if a comp pick can be awarded (eligiablity)

Yes there is a minimum threshold annual compensation that the UFA has to exceed before they count as a "compensable" FA in the comp formula. That minimum threshold figure is now around $900,000 compensation per year.

3) ?Somehow? a net gain /loss is derived

The comp formula figures the qualified compensable free agents lost by a given team versus the compensable free agents signed by that team. To receive compensatory draft picks, a team must be in a NET LOSS situation, where the number of compensable free agents lost exceed the number of compensable free agents signed, with one exception. Teams can NEVER receive a comp pick if they have a NET GAIN in compensable free agents, where the number signed exceeds the number lost.

4) If there is a net loss than a comp pick may be awarded

If there is a net loss, then comp picks will be awarded according to the net loss number up to a maximum of 4 comp picks. BTW to determine the net loss number subtract the compensable free agents signed from the number of compensable free agents lost. For example if a team signed 1 compensable free agent, but lost 3 compensable free agents, then the net loss is 2 and the team will be awarded 2 compensatory draft picks in NEXT year's draft.

5) Salary determines which round the pick is awarded in.

Annual compensation is the main factor in determining what round the compensatory picks are awarded beginning at the end of round 3 through the end of round 7. To get a round 3 comp pick a team would need to have a net loss of a very highly compensated free agent, probably over $6 million compensation per year. The annual compensation is basicly determined by taking the player's new total contract amount and dividing by the number of years of the new contract. Other minor additional factors include playing time and postseason honors.

6) ? Otherwise the comp picks are added on in a "rouind 8" in normal order for that year

The draft ends at the end of Round 7, but see next answer.

7) ? There are a total of 32 comp picks actually used each year

Yep, 32 is the total number of comp picks awarded each year. If the number of awarded comp picks are less than 32, then some "non-compensatory" draft picks will be added to get to the 32 total. These additional non-compensatory picks are awarded at the very end of Round 7 to teams as if a Round 8 of the draft occurred. Hope this helps some with your questions.

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Some questions that I answered about compensatory draft picks in an earlier topic thread:

1) Only FA count in determining comp picks

Only Unrestricted Free Agents who have not been released/cut, who are signed within the free agency signing period, and whose annual compensation is over a certain minimum threshold amount, count in the compensation formula as qualified "compensable" free agents.

2) Salary (there is a threshold) determines if a comp pick can be awarded (eligiablity)

Yes there is a minimum threshold annual compensation that the UFA has to exceed before they count as a "compensable" FA in the comp formula. That minimum threshold figure is now around $900,000 compensation per year.

3) ?Somehow? a net gain /loss is derived

The comp formula figures the qualified compensable free agents lost by a given team versus the compensable free agents signed by that team. To receive compensatory draft picks, a team must be in a NET LOSS situation, where the number of compensable free agents lost exceed the number of compensable free agents signed, with one exception. Teams can NEVER receive a comp pick if they have a NET GAIN in compensable free agents, where the number signed exceeds the number lost.

4) If there is a net loss than a comp pick may be awarded

If there is a net loss, then comp picks will be awarded according to the net loss number up to a maximum of 4 comp picks. BTW to determine the net loss number subtract the compensable free agents signed from the number of compensable free agents lost. For example if a team signed 1 compensable free agent, but lost 3 compensable free agents, then the net loss is 2 and the team will be awarded 2 compensatory draft picks in NEXT year's draft.

5) Salary determines which round the pick is awarded in.

Annual compensation is the main factor in determining what round the compensatory picks are awarded beginning at the end of round 3 through the end of round 7. To get a round 3 comp pick a team would need to have a net loss of a very highly compensated free agent, probably over $6 million compensation per year. The annual compensation is basicly determined by taking the player's new total contract amount and dividing by the number of years of the new contract. Other minor additional factors include playing time and postseason honors.

6) ? Otherwise the comp picks are added on in a "rouind 8" in normal order for that year

The draft ends at the end of Round 7, but see next answer.

7) ? There are a total of 32 comp picks actually used each year

Yep, 32 is the total number of comp picks awarded each year. If the number of awarded comp picks are less than 32, then some "non-compensatory" draft picks will be added to get to the 32 total. These additional non-compensatory picks are awarded at the very end of Round 7 to teams as if a Round 8 of the draft occurred. Hope this helps some with your questions.

BTW my Falcons predictions for this year's compensatory draft from a previous topic thread:

The Falcons lost UFA's Koenen and Dahl, and signed UFA's Ray Edwards and Reggie Kelly. Atlanta also signed James Sanders and Kelvin Hayden, but these two will not count in the comp formula against the Falcons because they were released. Reggie Kelly may or may not count in the comp formula, as he may have signed for less than a threshold minimum amount. However, Kelly had to sign for at least the over 10-year vet minimum, which is over previous years' threshold minimums.

Therefore, if Reggie Kelly does count in the comp formula, then Atlanta will receive NO compensatory pick, because they would not be in a net loss situation. If Kelly does not count as a qualified compensatory free agent signing, then Atlanta would be due one compensatory draft pick, since they would have a net loss of one.

In that case, either Dahl or Koenen, whoever has the higher annual compensation, will cancel out Ray Edwards. Then Dahl or Koenen's annual compensation, whoever is the lesser, will be used to determine in what round Atlanta's compensatory pick will be awarded. Dahl's contract details with the Rams have never been disclosed. Koenen signed with the Bucs for an annual compensation of $3.25 million per year, which would probably equate to a 6th round comp pick, but ONLY if Reggie Kelly does NOT count as a qualified compensatory signing in the comp formula.

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I heard TD today when asked about the quality in the draft and have they thought a lot about the #55 pick since they don't have a first and he messed around and mentioned having some quality picks for them form the 2nd to the 4th round and I remembered that they don't have a 4th round pick cause the Browns have it so they must be getting a fourth round pick back. The owners will find out who qualifies for the compensatory pick on march 25th during the owners meeting. I believe that 23 teams are eligible to get it and we just may be one.

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