FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I know the temptation is to cut Turner and pick up $5M in cap dollars, but I think we should ride him for at least one more year, maybe two. Dude is still getting it done. In 2011 he was elite status with:1st - broken tackles2nd - yards after contact2nd - 40+ yard rushes3rd - 20+ yard rushes3rd - total rush yards6th - rush TDsI know many think he's fat and slow. Truth is he is neither. He's got big thighs and a big butt but he has a small waist and low upper body fat. He isn't a speed merchant but he has good quickness and knows how to get to the second level. Even running behind a makeshift Oline with a groin injury.Buddy was a two time Pro Bowler in the last four years and should have gone ahead of Gore in 2011 as the leading rusher in the NFC. He was one of the most explosive runners in the league and set the all time Falcon rushing TD record.He can still read a hole, show good quickness, balance, cut back ability and tons of power. His receiving game and pass blocking have improved year over year.Make no mistake about it. Smitty still wants to run the ball. Koetter already said he wants to run and go vertical. Nothing helps a vertical passing game more than a running game. Koetter ran more than Mularkey from 2008-2011.If we do decide to trade or cut Turner, the Aints, Panties and Sucs will be glad. Trust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I don't think the FO is actually in the "cut him" stage right now, however I do think they are seeing the signs. So, I beleive they will keep him, but are open to the option of losing him, which is something they weren't open to before. If some team offers them a good trade for him, they'll probably take it, but I don't think they are actively looking to get rid of him, at least not until they have his replacement. Having said that, he will probably not be here in 2013 unless he takes a pay cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The most impressive thing in that video to me that i wasn't quite aware of was how good a blocking Te michael palmer is on alot of his big plays. I knew i liked his hands as a recieving TE but that sorta opens my eyes up on him a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Keep him. The production is there. 1340 yards/4.5 avg when the defense knew he was coming. The drop-off at the end of the season looks bad on paper, but when you examine the opponents and circumstances of each game, it's nothing for concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 NO! We need Turner. The problem is not with Turner in my opinion, its blocking, and most importanly PREDICTABILITY. Even I knew 85% of the time last year when it was a run play. Turner cant break every tackle. Analysts who say he is slowing down are just wrong. Turner's speed is just fine. He may not win footraces, but ill take a guy who is more likely to eat up yards on 6-7 yard plays all the way down the field than one who will get 2-3 and hope that he breaks out on ONE carry for a homerun.Serviceable backs may grow on trees, but elite backs do not people. If you think a back who can carry 300 times and average 4.5 yards three out of four years is not elite, then just stop watching football. Turner's stay here has produced insane numbers, and no one cares. He is expendable. He is one of the most under-appreciated players to wear a Falcons uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The problem is that he's completely useless in the passing game. I cannot call Turner elite because he's not an all around back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK13 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I don't understand wanting to get rid of a TOP 5 RB , he ran behind a line that did not play to well last year , I think he still runs hard and maybe decrease his carries a little throughout the year will keep him strong all season and besides who are you going to replace him with , I don't think you plug any RB in our backfield and get the same results and what are you thinking you will get for him in a trade 3rd pick ........please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Yes we should cut him. It's MM' fault Turner was good anyway. You said that yourself FFS70, you don't remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Where do people get this Turner is a top 5 RB junk?MccoyRiceFosterPetersonMJDWhich one of these RB's is Turner better than? Every one of them are all an asset to their team in the passing game as well as the running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD: Objective Elite Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Where do people get this Turner is a top 5 RB junk?MccoyRiceFosterPetersonMJDWhich one of these RB's is Turner better than? Every one of them are all an asset to their team in the passing game as well as the running game.Gawd, you sound like a broken record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Gawd, you sound like a broken record!If by broken, you mean something doesnt work right in his head... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Where do people get this Turner is a top 5 RB junk?MccoyRiceFosterPetersonMJDWhich one of these RB's is Turner better than? Every one of them are all an asset to their team in the passing game as well as the running game.I wouldn't hold out for a big season from Adrian Peterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK13 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The problem is that he's completely useless in the passing game. I cannot call Turner elite because he's not an all around back.what are you talking about , we don't run enough screens to know if he's any good in the passing game , he might be William Andrews 2.0 but you probably don't know who that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 If by broken, you mean something doesnt work right in his head...Yea, because our starting RB being 41st in the NFL for receiving yards by RB's isn't a problem..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 what are you talking about , we don't run enough screens to know if he's any good in the passing game , he might be William Andrews 2.0 but you probably don't know who that isSo Rb's only catch screens? Where exactly did this notion come from? He has a career high of 17 receptions. If he could catch I'm sure somebody would have figured it out before he turned 30. I mean they are professional coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 So Rb's only catch screens? Where exactly did this notion come from? He has a career high of 17 receptions. If he could catch I'm sure somebody would have figured it out before he turned 30. I mean they are professional coaches.So RBs have to catch a lot of passes to be good? Where exactly did this notion come from? Since 2008, you know who has the most rushing yards in the NFL?Well, Its AP, but you know who is second? You guessed it. And that is including a season where he missed 5 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Falcon Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 He needs to be the complimentary back not the primary. His numbers like Abe's are fools gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 So RBs have to catch a lot of passes to be good? Where exactly did this notion come from? Since 2008, you know who has the most rushing yards in the NFL?Well, Its AP, but you know who is second? You guessed it. And that is including a season where he missed 5 games.Never once said he wasn't good. He was a very important part of the development of Ryan. I know exactly where Turner ranks as far as rushing yards go. I also know exactly where he ranks as far as total production from the RB position and it isn't near as high. He had less receiving yards than 11 backup RBs.I don't understand the problem with wanting another threat in the passing game for Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 The problem is that he's completely useless in the passing game. I cannot call Turner elite because he's not an all around back.I'm not sure he's useless. He averaged more yards per reception than Snelling and Quizz. He also had more 20+ yard receptions than them. He was rated higher than Snelling and Quizz in pass blocking by PFF. That aint really useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Keep Turner.I think he'll have a reduced roll this year in the regular season with regards to carries.Also I'd love to have his bruising running during the play-offs I still like the idea of imparting your will on opponents and there's nothing they can do to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_D Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 No temptation to cut him from the Falcon fo nor in my opinion. He's got @ least one good year if the ol blocks for him. I was pizzed a Ryan but really I'd play scared too if I had to play behind Baker and a couple other slackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Never once said he wasn't good. He was a very important part of the development of Ryan. I know exactly where Turner ranks as far as rushing yards go. I also know exactly where he ranks as far as total production from the RB position and it isn't near as high. He had less receiving yards than 11 backup RBs.I don't understand the problem with wanting another threat in the passing game for Ryan.I never said we dont need another threat for Ryan either. We have Snelling and Quizz for that. What I am trying to drive home, is that people think we can trade Turner and just bring in another back that can rush for 1300 yards consistently, and that just aint gonna happen. I am saying Turner is an ELITE RB. Would a back like Ray Rice, AP, or McCoy be nice. Of course, no sh*t.My point is the grass isnt always greener. Unless you are bringing in a proven commodity, you dont just trade Michael Turner and not lose some production at RB. Edited March 10, 2012 by blackredfellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I never said we dont need another threat for Ryan either. We have Snelling and Quizz for that. What I am trying to drive home, is that people think we can trade Turner and just bring in another back that can rush for 1300 yards consistently, and that just aint gonna happen. I am saying Turner is an ELITE RB. Would a back like Ray Rice, AP, or McCoy be nice. Of course, no sh*t.My point is the grass isnt always greener. Unless you are bringing in a proven commodity, you dont just trade Michael Turner and lose some production at RB.Would you get rid of Turner if it meant we signed Michael Bush? Same type of runner, but Bush has some value in the receiving game. I don't want to see one 1300 yard rusher. I'd be happy with Bush getting 900, Quizz getting 500 and Snelling getting 300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xFalconLord Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Trade for a 3rd rounder if possible.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Would you get rid of Turner if it meant we signed Michael Bush? Same type of runner, but Bush has some value in the receiving game. I don't want to see one 1300 yard rusher. I'd be happy with Bush getting 900, Quizz getting 500 and Snelling getting 300.A running back stable of Michael Bush, Jason Snelling, and Jaquizz Rodgers? I wouldnt be thrilled with that. What did we get in return for Turner? Are we just cutting him for cap space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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