FalcoChicquera Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Imagine this roster - we could have had it using only our draft picks, 3 UDFAs each year, 4 players who were on the roster when he arrived, and 1 free agent:QB: Matt Ryan, Brian Hoyer, Joe WebbRB: Jamaal Charles, Arian Foster, Mike Tolbert, Bruce Miller (FB)WR: Roddy White, Victor Cruz, Antonio Brown, Davone Bess, Doug BaldwinTE: Rob Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, Jake BallardOT: Demetrius Bell, Tyson Clabo, J'Marcus Webb, Marshall NewhouseIOL: Carl Nicks, Todd McClure, Josh Sitton, Maurice Hart, Bill Nagy--- (3-4 defense)---DE: Calais Campbell, Cullen Jenkins, Pernell McPhee, Brandon Deaderick, Ricky Jean FrancoisNT: Athyba Rubin, Chris NieldOLB: Clay Matthews, Aldon Smith, Cliff Avril, Lawrence SidburyILB: Navarro Bowman, David Hawthorne, Jovan Belcher, KJ WrightCB: Brent Grimes, Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Jason McCourty, Sam Shields, Jacob LaceyS: William Moore, Kam Chancellor, Glover Quinn, Devin HollandST: Thomas Morstead (P), Dan Carpenter (K), Marc Mariani (KR/PR), Christian Yount (LS)18 Pro Bowlers - not bad considering 48 of them have been in the league four years or fewer.---If only any GM could really draft this well...but at least it puts the importance of free agency relative to the draft in perspective. I better Arthur Blank would like it too, as we would have had a payroll of about $50m in 2011.See post below if you want the full breakdown. Edited March 9, 2012 by FalcoChicquera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Players retained:Roddy White, Tyson Clabo, Todd McClure, Brent GrimesFree Agent:Cullen Jenkins (5 years, $25 million)Number of selections identical to TD's: 3 - Ryan, Moore, Sidbury2008 DraftNo Trade Up With Washington3- Matt Ryan34 - Brandon Flowers37 - Calais Campbell48 - Jamaal Charles68 - Cliff Avril98 - Carl Nicks104 - Josh Sitton138 - Brandon Carr172 - Athyba Rubin212 - Demetrius Bell232 - Mike TolbertUDFA - David HawthorneUDFA - Davone BessUDFA - Dan Carpenter2009 Draft24 - Clay Matthews55 - William Moore90 - Glover Quin125 - Lawrence Sidbury138 - Ricky Jean Francois156 - Thomas Morstead176 - Jason McCourty210 - Arian FosterUDFA - Jovan BelcherUDFA - Brian HoyerUDFA - Jacob Lacey2010 DraftNo Gonzalez Trade (keep 2nd)19 - Rob Gronkowski50 - Navarro Bowman83 - Jimmy Graham98 - Kam Chancellor117- Marshall Newhouse149 - Antonio Brown165 - Joe Webb171 - Marc Mariani189 - J'Marcus Webb226 - Brandon DeaderickUDFA - Sam ShieldsUDFA - Jake BallardUDFA - Victor Cruz2011 DraftKeep trade to #6 - no other trades6 - Aldon Smith91 - KJ Wright158 - Pernell McPhee192 - Bruce Miller210 - Maurice Hart229 - Bill Nagy230 - Chris NieldUDFA - Doug BaldwinUDFA - Devin HollandUDFA - Christian Yount Edited March 10, 2012 by FalcoChicquera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 you do realize u can basically do that with any GM, so whats yer point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman123 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 There absolutely no point to this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 you do realize u can basically do that with any GM, so whats yer point?you listen, but you don't hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryanless Falcons Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I think though I am not sure this was a poke at all the TD haters because he has not outfitted this team with nothing but pro bowlers and hit a home run on every draft pick. Like I said though not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 you listen, but you don't hearuhm ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) you do realize u can basically do that with any GM, so whats yer point?There's no point really - I started looking at it because the 2009 draft is often criticized but there wan't much talent there and two picks are identical.I was also wondering about the effect of a large trade up and whether it could ever be justified.Finally, I just wanted to see how strong a team you could make without using FA at all (I ended up using one, but that was the original premise)I agree, you could conduct this hypothetical exercise with any GM and the results (and indeed the team) would be about the same. There would be changes - any team with a top 15 pick in 2010 would probably build a 4-3 D around Pierre-Paul, Atkins and Avril; certain teams would keep their QB or select Flacco as they don't have a top 3 pick in 2008 - but there would be a lot of common ground with Cruz, Nicks, Foster, Rubin, Hawthorne etc.---If you aren't interested, no need to read. In no way is it a criticism or support of any strategy, personnel or front office staff - it's just a piece of research that I thought some people might be interested in. Edited March 10, 2012 by FalcoChicquera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Exploder Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It's just an interesting look at what players where available around our draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 The biggest problem with this is that the players may not have developed the same here as they did in other places. It could be coaching, locker room environment, night life, any myriad of reasons. Even with the greatest of players there is some element of luck & circumstances that made them great. What if Bledsoe had not torn up his knee & Brady came in to finish the season for him? Would it be the same there if Brady didn't see the field for 2 more seasons? A lot of players get smothered out of position by the team that drafts them. Maybe they would be an excellent 3-4 OLB, but they were drafted by a 4-3 team and they are struggling to adapt. Or as a UDFA, you tend to get buried on depth charts behind guys who are not as good, but have some level of a guaranteed deal. It can take several years to finally make it, if they ever do. I just don't think hindsight is 20/20 when it comes to players because there are too many other variables involved. It's the reason why a player may be really good on one team & then sign a FA contract to another & he doesn't perform nearly as well. Many people chalk it up to getting lazy after their payday, but almost as often it's that the change wasn't good for the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohern Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Good post and I like it. Hindsight is always 20/20 and this reminds me of that show on NFLN of the best players not drafted. I think it boils down to NFL scouting more than anything as it is league wide.Maybe scouts become weather men when they retire. Edited March 10, 2012 by Bohern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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