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We Have Had The Same De Argument For The Last Three Years It Is Time To Fix The Problem


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The first year - 2009 the FA market was soft for DE and I wanted us to draft a de but where we were picking there wasn't much help at de so we decided to draft a Dt to improve the pass rush. I still think Peria Jerry has some upside and won't completely count him out yet but our pass rush was still horrible. In 2010 we had a chance to get peppers in free agency but I believe our front office thought it was too much to pay for a player in his thirties, which IMO turned out to be a mistake ( I really wanted Peppers to be a Falcon bad), our pass rush was still horrible in 2010. In 2011 we wanted Charles Johnson and I believe we wanted him bad but he choose to stay in Carolina and I also think that if he wanted to come to Atlanta we would have paid him too he was the right age that we felt comfortable paying peppers type money to a de, but we settled for Edwards and our pass rush was still horrible. We all know that in a defense u are only as good your pass rush and in a 4-3 the front four are extremely important. We still have the same problem after 3 years =a pass rush. We are not going to be able to draft a de That can replace Abe's production this year since we don't pick in the top 15 and I dont think the talent at de this years compares to the talent in the draft the last two years at DE. I say all this to make a point that we really need to make a push for Mario Williams. The MW detractors will tell u he is too much like it is thier money to spend, but as it has already bee pointed out we can sign Mario and structure the deal to where the cap hit will be around 8 mil leaving us money to get a b-level Lt to protect Matty ice.

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Its been longer than 3 years hasn't it. We went and got Abe to help PK because we couldn't find a opposite side DE. Then PK left and we had that same issue.

Yeah it has been longer and didn't PK get hurt the year Abe got here and then PK left. I guess I was just referring to the TD and Coach Smith era

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I agree. MW and O line help and we are set. I think TD and company are planning for this. The guy is a genius. He signs 3 key players (DeCoud, Bierman, Snelling) and their cap hit is like 5 mil this year collectively!!! Or so I have heard. Anyway, Blank is in all out mode and he knows we need a better pass rush. It will get done

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So no one sees a bigger problem at DT. Peters has potential but potential isn't getting it done. We have no true inside pass rush. Without that, the DE will continue to look like garbage.

Been a recent report that we are interested in Kendall Langford from the dolphins. One of Nolan's boys. 3-4 DE, but will be a 3 technique guy for us. Maybe, bye bye Babs?

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So no one sees a bigger problem at DT. Peters has potential but potential isn't getting it done. We have no true inside pass rush. Without that, the DE will continue to look like garbage.

The problem is that there aren't many options at DT this year as far as free agents go but I would still like us to sign a mid level DT or draft one the DT in this years draft are talented even into the 2nd and 3rd rounds

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The problem is that there aren't many options at DT this year as far as free agents go but I would still like us to sign a mid level DT or draft one the DT in this years draft are talented even into the 2nd and 3rd rounds

The draft is deep at DT and there are at least 5 proven FA so if the FO truly realized that the biggest issue is DT, they will get one of the better players. Unfortunately they don't seem to realize that.

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The draft is deep at DT and there are at least 5 proven FA so if the FO truly realized that the biggest issue is DT, they will get one of the better players. Unfortunately they don't seem to realize that.

I like Langford from Mia especially if it was a recommendation from Nolan but IMO de is still a huge problem especially with Abe gone

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I like Langford from Mia especially if it was a recommendation from Nolan but IMO de is still a huge problem especially with Abe gone

No lofton and Babs on the books sound like MW is coming to town. There your DE fix. Plug in Crowder, Tatupu, or Lawson and we are fine. Also, I think that Dent will surprise a lot of people.

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Langford would be an interesting name simply because he has length (he's 6'6 with 33.5" arms). Most of our current DT's are shorter (6'2 and change). That would definitely help in 3-4 sets.

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My thought process on the DE's appears to mirror TD's - I didn't want Peppers because I thought tying all our money into two 30+ players was a mistake, and I'm happy to admit I was wrong. I was desperate for Johnson because of his age but thought Ray Edwards was actually better value (wrong again!). And now I want Williams....

Maybe the front office should hire me and do the exact opposite of what I want...

I'm also terrible with looking at DE draft prospects (had Brandon Graham and Derrick Morgan over JPP and Dunlap). I did redeem myself a bit this year with Aldon Smith, Kerrigan and Sheard.

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The first year - 2009 the FA market was soft for DE and I wanted us to draft a de but where we were picking there wasn't much help at de so we decided to draft a Dt to improve the pass rush. I still think Peria Jerry has some upside and won't completely count him out yet but our pass rush was still horrible. In 2010 we had a chance to get peppers in free agency but I believe our front office thought it was too much to pay for a player in his thirties, which IMO turned out to be a mistake ( I really wanted Peppers to be a Falcon bad), our pass rush was still horrible in 2010. In 2011 we wanted Charles Johnson and I believe we wanted him bad but he choose to stay in Carolina and I also think that if he wanted to come to Atlanta we would have paid him too he was the right age that we felt comfortable paying peppers type money to a de, but we settled for Edwards and our pass rush was still horrible. We all know that in a defense u are only as good your pass rush and in a 4-3 the front four are extremely important. We still have the same problem after 3 years =a pass rush. We are not going to be able to draft a de That can replace Abe's production this year since we don't pick in the top 15 and I dont think the talent at de this years compares to the talent in the draft the last two years at DE. I say all this to make a point that we really need to make a push for Mario Williams. The MW detractors will tell u he is too much like it is thier money to spend, but as it has already bee pointed out we can sign Mario and structure the deal to where the cap hit will be around 8 mil leaving us money to get a b-level Lt to protect Matty ice.

Been 5 years. Jamaal Anderson was the first crack at finding a bookend pass rusher for John Abraham

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The first year - 2009 the FA market was soft for DE and I wanted us to draft a de but where we were picking there wasn't much help at de so we decided to draft a Dt to improve the pass rush. I still think Peria Jerry has some upside and won't completely count him out yet but our pass rush was still horrible. In 2010 we had a chance to get peppers in free agency but I believe our front office thought it was too much to pay for a player in his thirties, which IMO turned out to be a mistake ( I really wanted Peppers to be a Falcon bad), our pass rush was still horrible in 2010. In 2011 we wanted Charles Johnson and I believe we wanted him bad but he choose to stay in Carolina and I also think that if he wanted to come to Atlanta we would have paid him too he was the right age that we felt comfortable paying peppers type money to a de, but we settled for Edwards and our pass rush was still horrible. We all know that in a defense u are only as good your pass rush and in a 4-3 the front four are extremely important. We still have the same problem after 3 years =a pass rush. We are not going to be able to draft a de That can replace Abe's production this year since we don't pick in the top 15 and I dont think the talent at de this years compares to the talent in the draft the last two years at DE. I say all this to make a point that we really need to make a push for Mario Williams. The MW detractors will tell u he is too much like it is thier money to spend, but as it has already bee pointed out we can sign Mario and structure the deal to where the cap hit will be around 8 mil leaving us money to get a b-level Lt to protect Matty ice.
We've been talking about the Oline being a problem for over a decade. If we drop megabucks on SuperMario what's your plan for the Oline?
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I like Langford from Mia especially if it was a recommendation from Nolan but IMO de is still a huge problem especially with Abe gone

I like Jason Jones personally. Tennessee ruined him when they threw him in the DE spot. He is a good DT and I would like to have him here. I don't think we will miss Abe much. Gotta give Sid a chance for at least a year. Matthews may show some of those same flashes that he showed in preseason if he makes the rotation

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IF they wanted to do this, I'm not sure we would have to go on a cutting spree. You just need to structure the contract right. It doesn't even have to be 8mil, we might be able to do 10 depending on Grimes. One key here is that, even if the cap doesn't shoot up next year, we will have a lot of money off the books that year with very few FAs to fill it. Tony will probably retire. Turner will almost certainly be off the books after this year, or at least cheaper, and the same is true for Robinson. Meanwhile, the only player in 2013 that will probably command a huge payday will be Moore. The other key here is the contract demands. I do have to agree that if he wants 15mil a season, it will be difficult, but not neccesarily impossibile.

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IF they wanted to do this, I'm not sure we would have to go on a cutting spree. You just need to structure the contract right. It doesn't even have to be 8mil, we might be able to do 10 depending on Grimes. One key here is that, even if the cap doesn't shoot up next year, we will have a lot of money off the books that year with very few FAs to fill it. Tony will probably retire. Turner will almost certainly be off the books after this year, or at least cheaper, and the same is true for Robinson. Meanwhile, the only player in 2013 that will probably command a huge payday will be Moore. The other key here is the contract demands. I do have to agree that if he wants 15mil a season, it will be difficult, but not neccesarily impossibile.

Great points. I think that TD being able to resign key role players like DeCoud, Snelling, and Bierman shows his being able to play with numbers well. I think we will be in good shape next year.

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The first year - 2009 the FA market was soft for DE and I wanted us to draft a de but where we were picking there wasn't much help at de so we decided to draft a Dt to improve the pass rush. I still think Peria Jerry has some upside and won't completely count him out yet but our pass rush was still horrible. In 2010 we had a chance to get peppers in free agency but I believe our front office thought it was too much to pay for a player in his thirties, which IMO turned out to be a mistake ( I really wanted Peppers to be a Falcon bad), our pass rush was still horrible in 2010. In 2011 we wanted Charles Johnson and I believe we wanted him bad but he choose to stay in Carolina and I also think that if he wanted to come to Atlanta we would have paid him too he was the right age that we felt comfortable paying peppers type money to a de, but we settled for Edwards and our pass rush was still horrible. We all know that in a defense u are only as good your pass rush and in a 4-3 the front four are extremely important. We still have the same problem after 3 years =a pass rush. We are not going to be able to draft a de That can replace Abe's production this year since we don't pick in the top 15 and I dont think the talent at de this years compares to the talent in the draft the last two years at DE. I say all this to make a point that we really need to make a push for Mario Williams. The MW detractors will tell u he is too much like it is thier money to spend, but as it has already bee pointed out we can sign Mario and structure the deal to where the cap hit will be around 8 mil leaving us money to get a b-level Lt to protect Matty ice.

Man, you and I have only been talking about it since '09. The problem goes back to '07.

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Corrected

06 had P Kerney - C Davis

06 Drafted Josh Mallard, signed Araham & signed Paul Carrington

07 did bring in a Derrick Jones mid year

08 Drafted Bierman & signed Fraser

09 Drafted Sidbury

10

11 Drafted Matthews and signed Edwards

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I really wish it was as simple as "we get a good DE and our defense is fixed." It's so much more complicated than we need a DE, or a DT or this and that. There are a myriad of reasons we couldnt get pressure on the QB last year. It has some to do with talent on the line, but also coverage, schemes, coaching, etc...

Nolan will help a lot. Exotic blitzes, different schemes, man coverage, and tighter zones (meaning each player isnt assigned to a 3 yard in diameter zone that is 10 yards away from the WRs). BVGs zones stunk out loud. All those things will help to generate pressure.

So with that I don't think its necessary to get Mario Williams, but the thought of Nolan WITH Mario is intriguing to say the least (but we DO need SOME replacement for Abe).

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The bottom line is that it's going to be virtually impossible to fix both lines in one offseason. If we get Mario then common sense dictates that will leave precious little cash to get a top flight tackle (and I'm pretty sure there isn't a top flight tackle to be had anyway...).

If we somehow landed Nicks to play guard then wave bye-bye to picking up a difference maker for the d-line.

TD has addressed the lines through both the draft and free agency. It just hasn't worked out.

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The bottom line is that it's going to be virtually impossible to fix both lines in one offseason. If we get Mario then common sense dictates that will leave precious little cash to get a top flight tackle (and I'm pretty sure there isn't a top flight tackle to be had anyway...).

If we somehow landed Nicks to play guard then wave bye-bye to picking up a difference maker for the d-line.

TD has addressed the lines through both the draft and free agency. It just hasn't worked out.

pass rush specialist and nose tackle is feesible. the line is fixed it just needs continuity, maybe a left tackle but svitek is still young and faired well. hopefully he can take that next step after he gets film on him but i expect our new oline coach is up to the task.

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We were trying to be the giants of the south, not blitzing and allowing the front to gget the pressure... But as we all kno, didnt wrk... The thing is is thhis, i dnt think its more the players more so play calling... When your predicctable and your opponent knows wats coming, then your already at a disadvantage.

If we somehow did get mario, we still will be in the same boat we have been in for yrs... I truly hope nolan can scheme up better blitzes and teach a lot of theses guys how to blitz...

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We were trying to be the giants of the south, not blitzing and allowing the front to gget the pressure... But as we all kno, didnt wrk... The thing is is thhis, i dnt think its more the players more so play calling... When your predicctable and your opponent knows wats coming, then your already at a disadvantage.

If we somehow did get mario, we still will be in the same boat we have been in for yrs... I truly hope nolan can scheme up better blitzes and teach a lot of theses guys how to blitz...

I'm having this image of Moore and/or Dunta slamming the QB from the backfield and would love to see it in real time.

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