Bucs May Pick Up Finnagen And Vj

[SyCo]

Cortland wants vj to join him on his next team, rumor is its tb. Be a nice pick up for the bucs

[Big Bubba]

Bucs would be rocking if they land Vjax and Cortland. I think with the new coaching staff, and a few choice moves, the Bucs will be the team to watch next season.

[LookAboutFalcon]

Bucs need lbs not another cb.

They have good cbs.

Jackson tho would be a good pickup if he can stay healthy.

[jb 3.0]

Cortland wants vj to join him on his next team, rumor is its tb. Be a nice pick up for the bucs

That'd be SUHWEET! Finnigan sounds like he really wants to be here and from what I gather he's #1 on the BUCS hit list. He's good buddies w/ Jackson and Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch and said he'll try to bring those two into the Buccaneer fold with him. Personally, I'd much rather see us go after Curtis Lofton rather than Tulloch, but we just NEED linebackers. The only one we have really worthy of starting is Mason Foster and we need Greg Schiano to show him how a REAL NFL team is run after the ridiculous season he played under Youngry Morris!

[jb 3.0]

Bucs would be rocking if they land Vjax and Cortland. I think with the new coaching staff, and a few choice moves, the Bucs will be the team to watch next season.

I wouldn't go that far, but WRW and the rest of the Falcon homers that seem to believe the BUCS, Saints & Panthers are simply going to roll over and play dead every Sunday they meet the Falcons are going to be sorely DISAPPOINTED!

[Serge]

I wouldn't go that far, but WRW and the rest of the Falcon homers that seem to believe the BUCS, Saints & Panthers are simply going to roll over and play dead every Sunday they meet the Falcons are going to be sorely DISAPPOINTED!

To be fair, expecting the Bucs to roll over and play dead after last year isn't an outlandish assumption.

[jb 3.0]

To be fair, expecting the Bucs to roll over and play dead after last year isn't an outlandish assumption.

Not to a casual fan...No. But to a real fan of which hopefully most here are.

Go ahead with the assumptions. Kind of like the assumptions fans made after your last coach left and left the Falcons in a complete mess. How'd that turn out?

But of course this a team that ISN'T the Falcons so assumptions are a GOOD THING, right?

[Serge]

Not to a casual fan...No. But to a real fan of which hopefully most here are.

Go ahead with the assumptions. Kind of like the assumptions fans made after your last coach left and left the Falcons in a complete mess. How'd that turn out?

But of course this a team that ISN'T the Falcons so assumptions are a GOOD THING, right?

Why is it that when young quarterbacks are discussed, Ryan's W-L record is so quickly marginalized because of all the talent we apparently had on that roster and managed to hide for a couple years, but when two of our division rivals were left with a pile of steaming $hit at the end of a season the first thing they talk about is our 2008 season? Obviously not completely related, just something I've been curious about, especially given how quickly the Panthers were to crown every FA they re-signed last year as the FO's masterstroke and how your automatic response to my statement was to bring up the 2008 Falcons as the perfect example of how quickly the Bucs could turn it around.

[jb 3.0]

Why is it that when young quarterbacks are discussed, Ryan's W-L record is so quickly marginalized because of all the talent we apparently had on that roster and managed to hide for a couple years, but when two of our division rivals were left with a pile of steaming $hit at the end of a season the first thing they talk about is our 2008 season? Obviously not completely related, just something I've been curious about, especially given how quickly the Panthers were to crown every FA they re-signed last year as the FO's masterstroke and how your automatic response to my statement was to bring up the 2008 Falcons as the perfect example of how quickly the Bucs could turn it around.

I suppose you're right ONLY the Falcons could possibly be capable of a nice turnaround, never mind that they can't win a playoff game to go along with that despite the superstar that is Matt Ryan amassing ZERO points in his last playoff game. Our only hope (BUCS & Panthers Fans) is that when we turn it around we actually WIN once we get to the playoffs! Iknow, I know.....it'll be years before either of us reach the playoffs and the Falcons will have garnered at least 3 Lombardi Trophies by the time we do.

[DD: Objective Elite]

I suppose you're right ONLY the Falcons could possibly be capable of a nice turnaround, never mind that they can't win a playoff game to go along with that despite the superstar that is Matt Ryan amassing ZERO points in his last playoff game. Our only hope (BUCS & Panthers Fans) is that when we turn it around we actually WIN once we get to the playoffs! Iknow, I know.....it'll be years before either of us reach the playoffs and the Falcons will have garnered at least 3 Lombardi Trophies by the time we do.

Christ on a cracker!!!

You sure like to spin other people's posts don't you? He was simply saying if what Ryan accomplished in '08 is so irrelevant, how come the Panther fans in 2010 and Bucs fans in 2011 point to it to show how quickly a bad team can right the ship.

Then again, I'm sure you're just trolling, as usual.

[Serge]

Christ on a cracker!!!

You sure like to spin other people's posts don't you? He was simply saying if what Ryan accomplished in '08 is so irrelevant, how come the Panther fans in 2010 and Bucs fans in 2011 point to it to show how quickly a bad team can right the ship.

Then again, I'm sure you're just trolling, as usual.

He's only saying it because he knows Tampa's transition will be a lot longer and more painful than ours was, and there's a real possibility that their new coaching staff won't survive that process.

[SyCo]

He's only saying it because he knows Tampa's transition will be a lot longer and more painful than ours was, and there's a real possibility that their new coaching staff won't survive that process.

I don't know about that. Tb is alot better off as far as talent goes than we were. RM was a goon. A better coaching staff could really make a difference

[SaintRay]

To be fair, expecting the Bucs to roll over and play dead after last year isn't an outlandish assumption.

I think everyone said the same after Singletary left the 49ers too..........better be careful, the Bucs are no pushovers.

[Serge]

I think everyone said the same after Singletary left the 49ers too..........better be careful, the Bucs are no pushovers.

I know it's the NFL, anything can happen and the Bucs were dangerous earlier in the year, but after that, the Bucs kinda were pushovers; the way they played in the second half last year is pretty much what the term "pushover" was meant to describe. Even when we fell apart in 2007 we still won a couple games and made a couple others closer than they had to be, the Bucs were fighting earlier in the year but once they stopped fighting they weren't even competitive for four quarters more often than not.

Now, they might get better in a hurry if they manage to cut away the dead weight, pull in some big free agents and get the players believing in the new coaching staff, but I've never bought that one head coach can teach 53 guys how to bend over and take it, and that's the only theory I've heard from Buc fans explaining last season.

[SaintRay]

Now, they might get better in a hurry if they manage to cut away the dead weight, pull in some big free agents and get the players believing in the new coaching staff, but I've never bought that one head coach can teach 53 guys how to bend over and take it, and that's the only theory I've heard from Buc fans explaining last season.

2010 49ers

Record 6-10

Points scored = 305

Points against = 346

2011 49ers

Record 13-3

Points scored = 380

Points against = 229

Pretty much the same team with a coaching/attitude change.

[DD: Objective Elite]

2010 49ers

Record 6-10

Points scored = 305

Points against = 346

2011 49ers

Record 13-3

Points scored = 380

Points against = 229

Pretty much the same team with a coaching/attitude change.

Well that settles it, the Bucs are in the NFCCG.

I mean, the 49ers did it, right?

[SaintRay]

Well that settles it, the Bucs are in the NFCCG.

I mean, the 49ers did it, right?

Damnnn Skippy.

[DD: Objective Elite]

Damnnn Skippy.

[Serge]

2010 49ers

Record 6-10

Points scored = 305

Points against = 346

2011 49ers

Record 13-3

Points scored = 380

Points against = 229

Pretty much the same team with a coaching/attitude change.

San Fran already had a lot of the pieces necessary on defense and were able to go with a conservative offense, Tampa Bay was outscored 287-494 last year. I don't dispute that they can improve immediately, but they've got a lot of holes and especially a lot of places where they have to figure out who's coachable and who's going to drag the rest of the team down.

[Guest Negatorris]

I'm sure Freeman will find some way to mistake Vjax for Cortland.

Edited March 10, 2012 by Undefendable

[jb 3.0]

San Fran already had a lot of the pieces necessary on defense and were able to go with a conservative offense, Tampa Bay was outscored 287-494 last year. I don't dispute that they can improve immediately, but they've got a lot of holes and especially a lot of places where they have to figure out who's coachable and who's going to drag the rest of the team down.

Yet, the 2008 Falcons had NONE?

[Serge]

Yet, the 2008 Falcons had NONE?

Kind of my point before talking about how quickly Smith's first season as a head coach and Ryan's rookie season were brushed aside because we weren't flashy or piling up huge stats. Everyone's said that we actually had a lot more talent than we appeared to after the 2007 season, which has been a roundabout way of saying that the impact of a few specific new additions wasn't as big as it was made out to be and that 4-12 team was only a step away from consistent playoff contention. My point has been that everyone immediately points to our 2008 season and says "that's what we can/will do," when we clearly had a few very important additions that made the rest of the team better, things rival fans appear to be taking entirely for granted because they bought their own rhetoric on Ryan and Smith's limitations. even as they use that model as their own ideal for their team going into the following season. It would seem like that contradiction would have to be recognized, but instead rival fans have talked themselves into some kind of weird explanation that the 2007 Falcons were actually really talented, but they had huge holes, and filling those holes with a "game-manager" quarterback and a "top 15, maybe top 10, not top 5" running back somehow resulted in a massive improvement overnight.

[jb 3.0]

Kind of my point before talking about how quickly Smith's first season as a head coach and Ryan's rookie season were brushed aside because we weren't flashy or piling up huge stats. Everyone's said that we actually had a lot more talent than we appeared to after the 2007 season, which has been a roundabout way of saying that the impact of a few specific new additions wasn't as big as it was made out to be and that 4-12 team was only a step away from consistent playoff contention. My point has been that everyone immediately points to our 2008 season and says "that's what we can/will do," when we clearly had a few very important additions that made the rest of the team better, things rival fans appear to be taking entirely for granted because they bought their own rhetoric on Ryan and Smith's limitations. even as they use that model as their own ideal for their team going into the following season. It would seem like that contradiction would have to be recognized, but instead rival fans have talked themselves into some kind of weird explanation that the 2007 Falcons were actually really talented, but they had huge holes, and filling those holes with a "game-manager" quarterback and a "top 15, maybe top 10, not top 5" running back somehow resulted in a massive improvement overnight.

So....That explains it? The 2008 Falcons were actually a GOOD team? You point at Falcon rivals assuming things, yet aren't you simply using the same assumptions they are?

Belive me, I'm not trying to say the 2011 version of the BUCS were anything less than attrocious! But, as you pointed out in an earlier thread. Aside from the 9ers game in week 5 they played well enough to take it to both the the Saints & Falcons. Virtually impossible for a team with ZERO talent as some of you try to suggest. The drop after that, according to most that are familiar with the situation lay it at the feet of the coaching staff. Nobody here is trying to say the BUCS are a playoff team. ****, we haven't even gotten to free agency yet! But to say that there is NO WAY the BUCS can turn it around quickly with the addition of some key free agents and a good draft is simply being short sigted or ignorant or both. That's how the Falcons did it despite what you want us to believe.

Was the BUCS 10-6 record in 2010 a mirage? Obviously! But most that follow this team as I said earlier blame it on the coaching. You don't? That shows how much you know about the BUCS.

Edited March 10, 2012 by jb.069

[Serge]

So....That explains it? The 2008 Falcons were actually a GOOD team? You point at Falcon rivals assuming things, yet aren't you simply using the same assumptions they are?

Belive me, I'm not trying to say the 2011 version of the BUCS were anything less than attrocious! But, as you pointed out in an earlier thread. Aside from the 9ers game in week 5 they played well enough to take it to both the the Saints & Falcons. Virtually impossible for a team with ZERO talent as some of you try to suggest. The drop after that, according to most that are familiar with the situation lay it at the feet of the coaching staff. Nobody here is trying to say the BUCS are a playoff team. ****, we haven't even gotten to free agency yet! But to say that there is NO WAY the BUCS can turn it around quickly with the addition of some key free agents and a good draft is simply being short sigted or ignorant or both. That's how the Falcons did it despite what you want us to believe.

Was the BUCS 10-6 record in 2010 a mirage? Obviously! But most that follow this team as I said earlier blame it on the coaching. You don't? That shows how much you know about the BUCS.

I never said the Bucs had zero talent, I implied that everyone thought the Bucs were more talented than they were because of their extreme youth and the 10-6 record they piled up exclusively on sub-.500 teams. Also, as I've said several times in this thread, I never said that the Bucs aren't capable of immediate improvement, I said that they're not going to go from what they are now to a consistent contender, and frankly if it was just coaching (rather than players quitting because they're simply mentally and emotionally weak) the Bucs wouldn't have gotten your hopes up with a 10-6 season to begin with, even with all the bad teams you stomped to get there.

[jb 3.0]

I never said the Bucs had zero talent, I implied that everyone thought the Bucs were more talented than they were because of their extreme youth and the 10-6 record they piled up exclusively on sub-.500 teams. Also, as I've said several times in this thread, I never said that the Bucs aren't capable of immediate improvement, I said that they're not going to go from what they are now to a consistent contender, and frankly if it was just coaching (rather than players quitting because they're simply mentally and emotionally weak) the Bucs wouldn't have gotten your hopes up with a 10-6 season to begin with, even with all the bad teams you stomped to get there.

So......Now our present roster is too mentally and emotinally weak to become a consistant contender even with an entire new coaching staff and the addition of key free agents and a great draft position? Funny how that only works for the Falcons....Nah, you're not a HOMER are you?