Hashbrown3 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 My problem is, it had to take his team to start calling him out as lazy and complacent and Rex to let the backup start taking snaps with the First team in practice to wake him up. Those things are NEVER talked about with Matt Ryan. You can have the complacent, lazy guy who has played the game with a sense of entitlement. I'll take Ryan.Yep, and those who search to trash ryan, and make comparisons to show him in a bad light. They are lost causes who cannot be helped. We all can criticize ryan for some of his weak games or whatever but we are able to understand the basic concept that he is a dam good QB that 2/3 of the league would gladly plug in as a starter. Hate will be hate... Dont buy any of this weak code-word for the haters called "Homer". Thats kind of like using the word racist or something like that... It always exposes the user of the homer word for who they are... haters... Lets face it, Sanchez bites, no comparison to ryan in any form... unless of course your a hater and uninterested in truth... geeez.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 -Elite and all-time great QBs like Brady, Peyton Manning-Dominant, record-breaking stars like Brees, Rodgers, Stafford and Rivers-Proven Super Bowl winners like Roethlisberger, Eli Manning-Young guns on the rise like Newton, Freeman and Bradford-Future stars like Andrew Luck and RG3This is the era of the QB in pro football. Fans of this team are seriously deluded if they think Matt Ryan can rise above the talent listed here.Just for a change, try to be objective. Don't think of Matt Ryan, whom you've fallen in love with. Think of Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo. How hard will it be for one of them to lead a team to Super Bowl victory given the level of competition? 4 of the 5 listed, have a markedly stronger throwing arm than Matt Ryan(Schaub is at worst an equal)Don't label stark reality as "Ryan Hating" Empathize a little.What in the heck does arm strength have to do with winning football games? Dan Marino had one of the strongest arms out there and look at how many Super Bowl's he won. Oh wait. Dan Marino had all the passing records known to man till Brett Favre come about. But that didn't win him a Super Bowl either. Jeff George could throw the ball through a brick wall but that didn't win him any Super Bowl's either. Warren Moon? Nope he never won the Super Bowl either. Michael Vick? How many Super Bowl's has he won? None. Arm strength does not equal Super Bowl winning QB. FACT!FACT is T-E-A-M-S win and lose Super Bowl's! Not individual players. The FACT that you guys refuse to see the constant improvement from Matt Ryan over the course of his 4 years is because you don't want to see it. Matt Ryan does deserve his share of blame for the playoff losses but he's had plenty of help. Why aren't you all doging the OL? Michael Turner? Roddy White? Defense? Mike Smith? Thomas Dimitroff? Mike Mularkey? Brian VanGorder? Oh wait. Because that doesn't fit your agenda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 What in the heck does arm strength have to do with winning football games? Dan Marino had one of the strongest arms out there and look at how many Super Bowl's he won. Oh wait. Dan Marino had all the passing records known to man till Brett Favre come about. But that didn't win him a Super Bowl either. Jeff George could throw the ball through a brick wall but that didn't win him any Super Bowl's either. Warren Moon? Nope he never won the Super Bowl either. Michael Vick? How many Super Bowl's has he won? None. Arm strength does not equal Super Bowl winning QB. FACT!FACT is T-E-A-M-S win and lose Super Bowl's! Not individual players. The FACT that you guys refuse to see the constant improvement from Matt Ryan over the course of his 4 years is because you don't want to see it. Matt Ryan does deserve his share of blame for the playoff losses but he's had plenty of help. Why aren't you all doging the OL? Michael Turner? Roddy White? Defense? Mike Smith? Thomas Dimitroff? Mike Mularkey? Brian VanGorder? Oh wait. Because that doesn't fit your agenda!preach it, preach it baby... truth will set you free... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 What in the heck does arm strength have to do with winning football games? Dan Marino had one of the strongest arms out there and look at how many Super Bowl's he won. Oh wait. Dan Marino had all the passing records known to man till Brett Favre come about. But that didn't win him a Super Bowl either. Jeff George could throw the ball through a brick wall but that didn't win him any Super Bowl's either. Warren Moon? Nope he never won the Super Bowl either. Michael Vick? How many Super Bowl's has he won? None. Arm strength does not equal Super Bowl winning QB. FACT!FACT is T-E-A-M-S win and lose Super Bowl's! Not individual players. The FACT that you guys refuse to see the constant improvement from Matt Ryan over the course of his 4 years is because you don't want to see it. Matt Ryan does deserve his share of blame for the playoff losses but he's had plenty of help. Why aren't you all doging the OL? Michael Turner? Roddy White? Defense? Mike Smith? Thomas Dimitroff? Mike Mularkey? Brian VanGorder? Oh wait. Because that doesn't fit your agenda!There is no more important component to winning than QB play. Arm strength at that position is a crucial component because it not only facilitates a better passing game, but helps the running game. With 32 teams in the league, there are only so many opportunities at a Super Bowl to go around. Why limit yourself by proceeding with an recognizable weakness?I have no agenda, other than discussion and debate. I just choose not to rant and rave(like yourself) in an attempt to draw attention to myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 There is no more important component to winning than QB play. Arm strength at that position is a crucial component because it not only facilitates a better passing game, but helps the running game. With 32 teams in the league, there are only so many opportunities at a Super Bowl to go around. Why limit yourself by proceeding with an recognizable weakness?I have no agenda, other than discussion and debate. I just choose not to rant and rave(like yourself) in an attempt to draw attention to myselfAccuracy is far more important than arm strength any day of the week and if you think I'm ranting and raving and trying to draw attention to myself by spitting out facts than so be it. It is a FACT that Matt Ryan has improved every single year. That's not an opinion like your opinion that Matt has peaked and will not get any better and therefore cannot win a Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Everyone knows I'm not a big Matt Ryan fan and I love USC players. But Sanchez isn't anywhere close to being better than Ryan. And he played in bigger games at SC cause he had an all star supporting cast. Can't compare USC to BC. Like you can't compare Sanchez to Ryan. Both are asinine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razrtalon Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Ok ok there's NY fans that would rather have Sanchez and atl fans that would rather have ryan. You can compare stats all day and were all a little biased for our teams but stepping outside the box I'm seriously rolling with Ryan on this one. But I know little of sanchez I know a little more of Matty ice but why fix something that's not broke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 -Elite and all-time great QBs like Brady, Peyton Manning-Dominant, record-breaking stars like Brees, Rodgers, Stafford and Rivers-Proven Super Bowl winners like Roethlisberger, Eli Manning-Young guns on the rise like Newton, Freeman and Bradford-Future stars like Andrew Luck and RG3This is the era of the QB in pro football. Fans of this team are seriously deluded if they think Matt Ryan can rise above the talent listed here.Just for a change, try to be objective. Don't think of Matt Ryan, whom you've fallen in love with. Think of Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, Jay Cutler, Tony Romo. How hard will it be for one of them to lead a team to Super Bowl victory given the level of competition? 4 of the 5 listed, have a markedly stronger throwing arm than Matt Ryan(Schaub is at worst an equal)Don't label stark reality as "Ryan Hating" Empathize a little.Alex freakin Smith was two botched punt returns away from the super bowl. I'm pretty sure if he can do it, Ryan can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift&Change Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Alex freakin Smith was two botched punt returns away from the super bowl. I'm pretty sure if he can do it, Ryan can.Alex Smith has one of best defenses in league so until TD builds that Ryan wont be able to carry Falcons nowhere close to that . Like Alex Smith / Ryan is a game manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcontide Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 But Ryan has a few good WR's, a good RB, and a HOF TE.Yeah but sanchez had a great/elite OL and a pretty good D.We don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulioisCoolio Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Alex Smith has one of best defenses in league so until TD builds that Ryan wont be able to carry Falcons nowhere close to that . Like Alex Smith / Ryan is a game managerTop 10 in every passing category = game manager. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Accuracy is far more important than arm strength any day of the week and if you think I'm ranting and raving and trying to draw attention to myself by spitting out facts than so be it. It is a FACT that Matt Ryan has improved every single year. That's not an opinion like your opinion that Matt has peaked and will not get any better and therefore cannot win a Super Bowl.Arm strength and accuracy go hand in hand. You can't throw the deep out into a tight window without a strong arm. Matt Ryan's throwing limitations make things easier on a defense and harder on an O.C. Not defending Mularkey, cause he is too predictable, even when trying not to be. The whole reason he called games like that was to put Ryan in a greater position to succeed with a low risk offense.Matt Ryan probably hasn't peaked, but given physical limitations, periods where his poise disappears and a sometimes dubious decision making process, Matt has a low ceiling. btw Ryan's performance from year 1 to year 2 was down significantly, killing your idea of a yearly improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Alex freakin Smith was two botched punt returns away from the super bowl. I'm pretty sure if he can do it, Ryan can.Smith's defense was pretty good and Gore is a good RB. Look at Alex another way. Including himself, the SF offense had 8 first rounders playing regularly: Smith, Ginn JR, V. Davis, Staley, Iaputi, A Davis, Edwards, Crabtree. All those high picks and a way below average offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift&Change Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Arm strength and accuracy go hand in hand. You can't throw the deep out into a tight window without a strong arm. Matt Ryan's throwing limitations make things easier on a defense and harder on an O.C. Not defending Mularkey, cause he is too predictable, even when trying not to be. The whole reason he called games like that was to put Ryan in a greater position to succeed with a low risk offense.Matt Ryan probably hasn't peaked, but given physical limitations, periods where his poise disappears and a sometimes dubious decision making process, Matt has a low ceiling. btw Ryan's performance from year 1 to year 2 was down significantly, killing your idea of a yearly improvement.solid post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Mark Sanchez and the Jets had something Ryan didn't...a defense.Look at the points allowed30[2008 vs. Cards]48[2010 vs. Pack]The defense played well score-wise in the NYG game, but they were getting burned all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy27 Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Everyone knows I'm not a big Matt Ryan fan and I love USC players. But Sanchez isn't anywhere close to being better than Ryan. And he played in bigger games at SC cause he had an all star supporting cast. Can't compare USC to BC. Like you can't compare Sanchez to Ryan. Both are asinineI don't believe Ryan is better then Sanchez but that's my opinion, I just find it funny that folks will go out of their way to bash X qb without looking at our qb.I hope Ryan does come around I actually thought something finally clicked the 2nd half of the Carolina game and J-ville game,but obviously was mistaken.If you're fine with Ryan in where he's at fine,I don't find what he's done impressive at all. And the fact is dude has had NO fire in him what's so ever in the playoffs just add's to the frustration. but yet so n so qb is garbage.......right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Sanchez does nothing better than Ryan. Ryan needs to improve big time. He needs to go talk to Rodgers,Brees, Manning brothers. He need to do something. Just isn't cutting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I don't believe Ryan is better then Sanchez but that's my opinion, I just find it funny that folks will go out of their way to bash X qb without looking at our qb.I hope Ryan does come around I actually thought something finally clicked the 2nd half of the Carolina game and J-ville game,but obviously was mistaken.If you're fine with Ryan in where he's at fine,I don't find what he's done impressive at all. And the fact is dude has had NO fire in him what's so ever in the playoffs just add's to the frustration. but yet so n so qb is garbage.......rightRyan shows no fire in the playoffs? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FalconMama Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 It's all about what you prefer I guess... You have a QB that struggles in the regular season and turns it on in the playoffs ( Yes bash Sanchez all you want but don't overlook what he did last year in the playoffs.) Or a QB that puts up good regular season stats only to falter when it matters.I like them both but honestly I don't think Matt Ryan that much better than Mark Sanchez. But hey that's just my opinion *shrugs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Stats don't lie. Tapes don't lie. Matt Ryan is way better than Sanchez in the regular season and Sanchez is way better than Ryan in the playoffs. It has nothing to do with their defenses.REGULAR SEASONSMatt - 62 games, 43-19 (.694), 1232/2022, 60.9%, 14,238 yards, 95 TDs, 46 INTs, 7.0 ypa, 11.6 ypc, 229.6 ypg, 88.4 passer ratingMark - 47 games, 27-20 (.575), 782/1414, 55.3%, 9209 yards, 55 TDs, 51 INTs, 6.5 ypa, 11.8 ypc, 195.9 ypg, 73.2 passer ratingPLAYOFFSMatt - 3 games, 0-3 (.000), 70/110, 63.6%, 584 yards, 3 TDs, 4 INTs, 5.3 ypa, 8.3 ypc, 194.7 ypg, 71.2 passer ratingMark - 6 games, 4-2 (.667), 95/157, 60.5%, 1155 yards, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 7.4 ypa, 12.2 ypc, 192.5 ypg, 94.3 passer rating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Matt Ryan is way better than Sanchez in the regular season and Sanchez is way better than Ryan in the playoffs. Stats can lie, but this is the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 To bad we aren't built to have Matt Ryan be dreadful during the regular season only to turn it on in the playoffs...if Matt Ryan has Sanchez's regular season numbers we don't see the post season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Stats don't lie. Tapes don't lie. Matt Ryan is way better than Sanchez in the regular season and Sanchez is way better than Ryan in the playoffs. It has nothing to do with their defenses.Does it really matter which of the two is better when they both underachieve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconMama Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 To bad we aren't built to have Matt Ryan be dreadful during the regular season only to turn it on in the playoffs...if Matt Ryan has Sanchez's regular season numbers we don't see the post seasonAnd if Matt Ryan continues to have Matt Ryan's post season numbers we won't see a win there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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