Robb4242 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 This thread is for trades only. Do not post requests for trades in this thread, it should only be approved trades.Here are the rules for trading (it's late so I'm probably forgetting some & I will update tomorrow if needed).1. Trades must be equal, or close to equal for both teams. This will be determined by the trade committee.2. Trades must make some sense. There is no reason for the New England Patriots to trade for Eli Manning, unless they are giving up Tom Brady. Eli for Benjarvis Green-Ellis wouldn't make any sense.3. Trades involving draft picks will utilize the draftpick value chart. If it is a player for a pick then each TC member will try to value that player as a draft pick, remembering that current players usually are traded for less value that it would normally appear. Very few players are traded straight up for a 1st round pick. The measure I like to put on it, take a snap judgment of where a player should be valued, then subtract 20 picks. Think back a few years and look at Emmitt Smith in 1998. He was getting older (29), but still a good RB coming off a good year. Drafted RB value is usually late 1st round, but with Emmitt being older that would drop him some. He's not the top RB in the league anymore so that would drop him into the mid-2nd round. Given that he's 29 & about to hit the "RB wall" at 30, that's going to drop him some more, maybe top of the 3rd round. That's my snap judgment. I then subtract about 20 more slots & would value him as a equal trade of a late 3rd round pick. That's just how I do it, but each TC member may be different.4. I'm limited player involved trades this year to 3 per team. If you trade a pick & receive a player in return, that counts as 1. If you trade a player & get a pick in return, that also counts as 1. If you trade a player & get a player in return, that will only count as 1 as well, not 2.5. I'd like to limit trades once a team is on the clock to draft as well. If it is your pick, you have a set amount of time to draft (either 4 or 6 hours). You can still trade while you are on the clock, but once your time is up, you will not be able to make a trade.6. All trades must be PM'ed to all 3 TC members & BOTH parties in the trade must PM the trade. I make both participants PM the trade so that the TC & I know that both teams know what they are trading & what they get back and there is no arguing about it after the trade is done.The trade committee members are:jfalconspFalcoChicqueraKennesaw77If the TC denies a trade, then that decision is final. However, the TC member needs to provide justification for the denial & if they desire, they can offer advice of what it would take to get the trade approved. Maybe you need to make the pick a little bit or a round higher, or the 3 players you are getting in return is too much & if you dropped one of the players, the deal would be fine. But, don't argue with the TC if a trade is denied. If 2 of the 3 deny it, it's probably not close enough to fair.Approved TradesColts trade the pick #1 (1st round) to Cleveland for picks #4, #22 (1st round) and #68 (3rd round).Falcons trade Roddy White and pick 181 (6th round) to San Francisco for pick #30 (1st round) & pick #94 (3rd round).Colts trade Peyton Manning and pick #98 (4th round) to Miami for Matt Moore, Randy Starks, pick #73 (3rd round), #103 (4th round), & #187 (6th round via New Orleans)Colts trade Dwight Freeney to Atlanta for Darrin Walls pick #94 (3rd round) and pick #149 (5th round)Oakland trades Kamerion Wimbley & Darrin McFadden to New England for picks #63 (2nd round), #95 (3rd round), & #127 (4th round)Cincinnati trades Keith Rivers & Taylor Mays to Tennessee for Sen'derrick Marks & pick #84 (3rd round)New York Jets trade Bart Scott & Shonn Greene to Carolina for Jonathan StewartCleveland trades Frostee Rucker to Cincinnati for Jordan Norwood, Usama Young & pick #196 (7th round)Kansas City trades Matt Cassel & pick #108 (4th round) to Washington for picks #101 (4th round) & #134 (5th round)New England trades Ryan Mallet to New Orleans for picks #91 (3rd round) & #155 (5th round)New York Jets trade Mark Sanchez, Calvin Pace, Kyle Wilson, Vlad Ducasse, & pick #16 to Detroit for Matthew Stafford, Alphonso Smith, & pick #87 (3rd round)New England trades pick #31 (1st round) to the Eagles pick #51 (2nd round) & #77 (3rd round)Three way Trade between Packers, Jets, & Redskins: Packers trade Charles Woodson, DJ Williams to the New York Jets for Brodney Pool, pick #87 (3rd round), pick #109 (4th round), & pick #198 (7th round Redskins pick)New York Jets trade Dustin Keller, Ricky Sapp, & pick #178 (6th round) to Redskins for Jarvis Jenkins & Jamal BrownDallas trades Terence Newman and pick #83 (3rd round) to St. Louis for pick #66 (3rd round)Indianapolis trades pick #150 (5th round) to the Pittsburgh Steelers for Jonathan Dwyer.Baltimore trades Jah Reid to Kansas City for pick #103 (4th round)Arizona trades Kenyon Coleman, 6th round pick (#15), 7th round pick(#14) to Dallas for 5th round pick (#17)Oakland trades 5th round pick (#18), 6th round pick (#31) to Philadelphia for 4th round pick (#31)NY Jets trade 5th round pick (#19), 7th round pick (#17) to NY Giants for 4th round pick (#32)Oakland trades London Fletcher to Washington for 6th round pick (#18) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 The Indianapolis Colts and Cleveland Browns are pleased to announce the following trade:Colts trade: 1-1Browns trade: 1-4, 1-22 and 3-68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Pwns Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 The Indianapolis Colts and Cleveland Browns are pleased to announce the following trade:Colts trade: 1-1Browns trade: 1-4, 1-22 and 3-68So how much leeway is going to be given with the whole draft chart? Because according to the chart they're still a couple of picks short of an even deal.Colts Pick Values:1-1 = 3,000Browns Pick Values:1-4, 1800 1-22, 780 3-68, 250 = 2,830Now I know that a completely even trade is hard to come by, however I do believe that the 170 point deficit is more than enough to question whether or not the Browns should be giving up more on this deal. I understand that I am not a member of the trade committee so I have no say in the matter but I would just like to know why Cleveland doesn't also give up their two 4th round picks as well.Picks number 101 and 119 both add up to 152 points shrinking the deficit to only 18 points and therefore making the deal a much more even one.With that being said how much leeway is acceptable in trades like this?If an actual number can not be reached then how does the committee go about deciding what constitutes an even trade?If each trade is reviewed solely based on the the views of the committee, then doesn't that leave room for bias in trades including a member of the trade committee? In that situation should a 3rd party not take the place of the trading team in order to ensure that no one can abuse their power?Thats just a couple of questions I wanted to ask. I would like to make it clear that I am not accusing anyone of abusing their power, I did not intend to offend anyone with this, and I am not trying to make a huge deal out of anything. Just wanting to find out where that line is for future reference, point out a possible flaw in the system, as well as offer a solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) If each trade is reviewed solely based on the the views of the committee, then doesn't that leave room for bias in trades including a member of the trade committee? In that situation should a 3rd party not take the place of the trading team in order to ensure that no one can abuse their power?This does happen and is in the rules. I did not vote on the deal and it was approved unanimously by the neutral committee members.I have sent Juliopwns a PM to discuss further. Edited March 2, 2012 by FalcoChicquera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted March 2, 2012 Author Share Posted March 2, 2012 So how much leeway is going to be given with the whole draft chart? Because according to the chart they're still a couple of picks short of an even deal.Colts Pick Values:1-1 = 3,000Browns Pick Values:1-4, 18001-22, 7803-68, 250 = 2,830Now I know that a completely even trade is hard to come by, however I do believe that the 170 point deficit is more than enough to question whether or not the Browns should be giving up more on this deal. I understand that I am not a member of the trade committee so I have no say in the matter but I would just like to know why Cleveland doesn't also give up their two 4th round picks as well.Picks number 101 and 119 both add up to 152 points shrinking the deficit to only 18 points and therefore making the deal a much more even one.With that being said how much leeway is acceptable in trades like this?If an actual number can not be reached then how does the committee go about deciding what constitutes an even trade?If each trade is reviewed solely based on the the views of the committee, then doesn't that leave room for bias in trades including a member of the trade committee? In that situation should a 3rd party not take the place of the trading team in order to ensure that no one can abuse their power?Thats just a couple of questions I wanted to ask. I would like to make it clear that I am not accusing anyone of abusing their power, I did not intend to offend anyone with this, and I am not trying to make a huge deal out of anything. Just wanting to find out where that line is for future reference, point out a possible flaw in the system, as well as offer a solution.FalcoChicquera addressed a little bit, but I'll go a little further to help with clarification. The reason I have 3 members on the trade committee is to try and avoid anyone being able to abuse power. I'm really the only one who has enough single power to really abuse it (with free agency), & I try pretty hard to make sure I don't. (by the way, I'm not at all offended by what you posted nor do I think you were taking a shot at anybody, it's a valid question) When a TC member is involved in a trade, they don't get to vote on that trade, only the other 2 TC members do. If the other 2 are split, then I step in to make the deciding vote. If 2 TC members are involved, then the 3rd member & I will vote. If we split, I'll try to find someone online right then & ask them to vote on the trade. So, while not impossible for TC members to try and abuse the power they have, I think we've done about as much as we can to minimize it. I do try to keep this as fair as possible and I'm open to suggestions all the time. This mock has changed almost every year based on suggestions made by players. As for the trade itself, the most basic standard is does the trade fall within a 10% range. That's pretty much my only hard & fast rule. This trade does fall within the 10% guideline (barely). I personally prefer that it is closer than 10%, especially with the higher picks, but I try to let the TC run themselves. If one member of the TC wants everything within 5%, or 7%, or some other number then he would have denied the above trade. What percentage they use is up to them and they may want a sliding scale as well, meaning 1st round picks within 10%, 3rd round picks within 8%, and 5th or later within 5%. All I ask is that they be consistent across the board. Like I told them today in a PM, when looking at trades, step back & pretend you are not involved in the game at all. Judge each trade on its own merits, but be consistent.Hope that helps some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 To expand on my own reasoning, and further to Robb's excellent post:I look first and foremost at precedent - has a trade like this happened before? A useful resource for this is this post:http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/04/trade-value-of-nfl-draft-picks.html(from AdamJT13 - who does the comp pick projections). It lists every draft trade made between 1993 and 2009. If the pick trade has been made before by real NFL teams, it's probably close enough to be fair.The precedent for my 1st pick trade (which I did not vote on) was the Eli Manning trade of #4, next year's 1st, 3rd round and a future 5th round (for #1). As my trade included a 2nd 1st round pick this year, rather than a future 1st (which are generally discounted by team in TVC terms) I felt it was adequate.Interestingly, the Eli trade would have been rejected by Robb's 10% rule, as it was only valued at 2662 points (against my offer of 2830) although I feel both sides would look back with hindsight and describe it as a win-win. This is probably more to do with the new rookie wage scale enhancing the value of the top pick though.Anyway, sorry to clutter the thread. Onwards with the trades! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Trade approved by 2/2 committee members.--- The Atlanta Falcons have traded: Roddy White and their 6th round pick (181) to the San Francisco 49ers for:1st round pick (30) and their 3rd round pick (94). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfalconsp Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Falcochicquera beat me to it! Edited March 4, 2012 by jfalconsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Trade approved by 2/3 committee members--The Indianapolis Colts have traded:QB Peyton Manning and their 4th round pick (98)to the Miami Dolphins for:QB Matt Moore, DL Randy Starks, Miami 3rd Rd pick (#73), Miami 4th Rd pick (#103) and Miami 6th Rd pick (via Saints) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfalconsp Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) Bested again by Falcochicquera. Too quick. Edited March 4, 2012 by jfalconsp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threepac Daddy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 so falcochicquera is the espn news of the imd then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBorBust Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 So, Peyton Manning is a Dolphin and Andrew Luck is a Brown. I'm interested in seeing what the Colts are going to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Griffin, Flynn, Brees all still out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 The Colts give Dwight Freeney to the Falcons for their3rd round pick (#94), 5th round pick (#149), and Darrin Walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Draft pick order is here. I will keep it updated with trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfalconsp Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 The Indianapolis Colts have traded their 5th round pick (#150) to the Pittsburgh Steelers for Jonathan Dwyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Share Posted March 12, 2012 FYI Free Agency was supposed to end tonight at midnight. However, if you make a bid prior to 7am Monday (3/12/12) I will count it. I meant to give a 24 hour warning before FA ended, but completely forgot last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler11 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 NE & OAK have agreed to the following trade:NE gets: LB-K.Wimbley & HB-D.McFaddenOAK gets: NE's 2nd(#31), 3rd(#31) & 4th(#31).Approved by 2 TC members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 This took me a lot longer than I thought it would. Too many interruptions. But anyway, I need everybody to go to this website and verify that I have all of the players that you are bidding on listed here. If there is anybody you think you are supposed to be bidding on and it's missing, let me know ASAP. I do not have all of the bid off updates from today (rescinds/upgraded bids, etc.) done yet, so don't worry about those. I just wanted make sure I have all of the players that were in the bidding and the players that were won before the bid off done.Also, there is a running total here of the bids you have placed. A couple of teams have gone over their cap with bids (Denver, Philadelphia, New Orleans) and I need you to adjust bid off bids accordingly, either rescind or lower the bid ONLY enough to bring you even with the cap (you can spread this cut over multiple players; i.e. $250,000 cap hit cuts to 3 players to lower your total by $750,000). You must get under the cap ASAP or I will remove a player that you are in the bid off for to get you under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) Trade approved by 2/2 neutral committee members.--- The Cleveland Browns have traded:WR Jordan Norwood, S Usama Young and their 7th round pick (196) to the Cincinnati Bengals for:DE Frostee Rucker Edited March 15, 2012 by FalcoChicquera Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennesaw77 Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Trade approved by 2/2 members of the committeeTitans Get:LB Keith RiversS Taylor MaysBengals Get:3rd rd pickDT Sen'derrick Marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dirty Bird Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 The New York Jets and Carolina Panthers have agreed to a trade:Jets give: MLB Bart Scott, RB Shonn GreenePanthers give: RB Jonathan StewartApproved by 2 TC members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBorBust Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Redskins give:4th Round (7th pick)5th Round (6th pick)Chiefs give:QB Matt Cassel4th Round (12th pick)Approved by 2 TC Members Edited March 18, 2012 by SBorBust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threepac Daddy Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Pats give:Ryan MalletSaints give:3rd round pick5th round pickApproved by 3/3 trade members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dirty Bird Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The New York Jets and Detroit Lions have agreed to a trade:Jets give: QB Sanchez, #16 overall pick (rights to DB Dre Kirkpatrick), DE Calvin Pace, CB Kyle Wilson, OG Vlad DucasseLions give: QB Stafford, 3rd round pick, DB Alphonso Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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