The O-Line Will Not Be A Brady Holding Line Nor Do They Have To Be For Matt Ryan To Be Successful

[tobyd77]

Good morning to all or should I say that to only those whom will be reading this after I post it.

I didn't really want to talk about anything mentioning the words Matt Ryan on any of my post or future topics yet only because the negativity about Ryan on the forum but I feel I have to do it today in relations to him and his O-line but mainly the line.

I do apologize that some of the things that I may say I will not have all the stats to go a long with my take on what this Line needs to be to protect to keep drives alive and score points,provide success in running the ball, getting an inch or 1 on 3rd or 4th down conversions but I'm going to do the best I can.

First I would like to say this only for me I can't speak for you that I am going to from this day forward breathe and relax about the failures of this o-line as of recent because Now that I have had the time to think about it this is the same o-line that just finished 3rd overall in 2010 with Baker at LT allowing only 23 sacks that year and only 67 QB hits on Matt Ryan.

Despite their rough start in the 2011 season from the first 5 game of the season they still managed to rank 6th overall but allowed 26 sacks and more hits on Ryan about 84 I believe despite that that is still very good.I don't have the hurries stats or pressures sorry maybe you all can help me with that.

For those who are thinking that we are about to overhaul the line you could be in for a rude awakening. This line is not as bad as we think and I believe that Koetter,Hill and TD are thinking the same thing.

Guys o-line don't make themselves better IMO the QB does and that is where I'm about to go with this.

I realize that for the o-line to look like a genius it will have start and end with how Matt is allowed to perform with

them. first of all let me start by saying this, this is not A Brady holding o-line nor will it ever be and Matt Does not need that to make him and his line look successful.

Let's point out the obvious Matt can read defenses well and we have seen what he does when he is given the plays to run the offense in the nohuddle= less sack, hurries or pressure which is why I feel that McClure needs to come back at least one more year for Matt until a guy is trained properly at the C position.

Guys Matt Ryan is not a good deep ball thrower He lacks accuracy and arm strength when unleashing the long ball, as most of his interceptions were the result of him trying to attack the deep secondary. and may never be that we know by common sense but I read his scouting report and it says that clear as day so I'm not surprised by that any more but one thing I do know is that he can get that ball out just as quick as any QB in the league More of a short-to-intermediate passer= less sacks, hurries, and pressures.

Matt sees what he is going to do before he even does it and has the personnel fast enough to keep up with him when the move is about to be made does a good job of going through progressions and is limber enough to make those throws while on the move...Very accurate passer when flushed out of the pocket, but has the strength to step up and absorb punishment = less sacks,hurries, and pressures.

I believe in the line and if they build the line to what Ryan does well=less sacks,hurries,and pressures

The o-line can and has in the past created a lane for Ryan to step up into his throw and when they get back to that he will have a more effective deep ball.

He has good mobility to throw when flushed out of the pocket and is an efficient game manager. He shows good strength stepping up in the pocket and the lateral agility to side-step the bull rush, but is not a threat to get big real estate with his feet. He lacks accuracy and arm strength when unleashing the long ball, as most of his interceptions were the result of him trying to attack the deep secondary. He is a cool field general with a great work ethic and shows some similarity to Rich Gannon (ex-Raiders, Chiefs) in his ability to be innovative on the field. He is not a good fit for a vertical passing attack, but for a team comfortable moving the chains with a mistake-free engineer at the helm, they could find a nice fit in Ryan during the draft's first day.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matt-ryan?id=310#tabs:tab-analysis

What I have in brown is parts from his scouting report but I highlight with in it dark blue to show his weakness because some one is I know going to still say it just to be mad and not fully read before reacting to the post but it is right there so it will be interesting to see what koetter does with his vertical game to make it fit Ryan's skills

[falcon057]

"First I would like to say this only for me I can't speak for you that I am going to from this day forward breathe and relax about the failures of this o-line as of recent because Now that I have had the time to think about it this is the same o-line that just finished 3rd overall in 2010 with Baker at LT allowing only 23 sacks that year and only 67 QB hits on Matt Ryan."

What about Harvey? Does that change anything?

Edited February 22, 2012 by falcon057

[tobyd77]

Its not about Dahl anymore for me he's a Ram now.

[falcon057]

Its not about Dahl anymore for me he's a Ram now.

Just trying to point out it not the same line as you mention LOL

It changes your hole agrument

[phattywankenobi]

Cool, it's the old armstrength argument.

[Big_D]

Just trying to point out it not the same line as you mention LOL

It changes your hole agrument

Doesn't really change the whole argument, Ryan has to exercise some elite skills on his own to become a SB winner. The top qb's all get sacked from time to time. The difference is when a sack is eminent, they scramble and still make something happen. How many times have we seen this from Ryan? NOT MUCH!

[falcon057]

Doesn't really change the whole argument, Ryan has to exercise some elite skills on his own to become a SB winner. The top qb's all get sacked from time to time. The difference is when a sack is eminent, they scramble and still make something happen. How many times have we seen this from Ryan? NOT MUCH!

People continue to want to compare him to QBs that have a pocket to step up into and step into their throws. 2 seconds will not work in a passing O-fense. the last 2 years that is what we have trained him to do, get rid of the ball in 2 seconds 3 step drops and short patterns, If you want to change to a passing attack you need to provide protection to the man. He needs to beleive and see a change. If not he could go the route of former Texas QB (I forget his name) that just got pounded game after game.

[Atlfanstckndenver]

I think ryan running for his life this past season resulted in him developing bad mechanics thus furthering his struggles in the deep throwing department.

[freebird310]

Meh, this line is much sheetier than the stats/rankings indicate ..screw stats .....sack numbers were average, but Ryan was running for his life and masked defiencies by dumping the ball .....it was the # of hits and pressures that indicate the problems , and the failure to even get a fkng 6 inch push on our 3rd/4th and shorts .....also, the interior never provides a escape for Ryan to step up into like NOLA .interior of the pocket was hardly ever clean, most of the pressure on Ryan this year came from there, I want stonewallers in the middle of the trenches to provide a space where the OT's can steer DE's wide, and Matt avoid the rush can step up and throw ......like Brees .....

[falconidae]

...Guys Matt Ryan is not a good deep ball thrower He lacks accuracy and arm strength when unleashing the long ball, as most of his interceptions were the result of him trying to attack the deep secondary. ...

This is absolutely untrue- only one of his interceptions came on a deep ball- and, I'm pretty sure that it was the botched flea flicker in the Texans game.

A flea flicker is supposed to freeze the Dline and get the secondary to hesitate- neither of those things happened, Turner made a poor throw back to Ryan and Ryan had to hurry his throw to avoid the sack.

The other 11 INTs came on passes 1-20 yards from the LOS.

Ryan certainly needs to work on the mechanics of his deep throws, but you can't use INTs to prove that.

[tobyd77]

Bottomline is Baker is not going anywhere and Pat Hill will make a case for Andrew Jackson. Matt is not a good deep ball thrower the stats prove that and I believe he threw two deepball interceptions in that Texans game not one but someone check the stat on that I could be wrong.

[tobyd77]

This is absolutely untrue- only one of his interceptions came on a deep ball- and, I'm pretty sure that it was the botched flea flicker in the Texans game.

A flea flicker is supposed to freeze the Dline and get the secondary to hesitate- neither of those things happened, Turner made a poor throw back to Ryan and Ryan had to hurry his throw to avoid the sack.

The other 11 INTs came on passes 1-20 yards from the LOS.

Ryan certainly needs to work on the mechanics of his deep throws, but you can't use INTs to prove that.

I can tell that you don't read post that well but that's okay I will let you have this one you welcome.

[hardenmj]

For those who are thinking that we are about to overhaul the line you could be in for a rude awakening. This line is not as bad as we think and I believe that Koetter,Hill and TD are thinking the same thing.

If you saw the post-season media session with Arthur Blank, you would know that he is not thinking that at all...and he is the one signing Koetter's, Hill's, and TD's checks.

[falconidae]

I can tell that you don't read post that well but that's okay I will let you have this one you welcome.

You don't have to let me have anything- the statement I quoted was completely wrong.

You, or whoever wrote this, said that most of his INTs came from attacking the deep secondary, which is just not true. Only one of his INTs came on a pass that went more than 20 yards past the Line Of Scrimmage- check out ESPN splits.

If 11 out of 12 INTs came on passes that went from 1-20 yards past the LOS, he wasn't getting picked attacking the deep secondary.

[tobyd77]

People laughed at me about what I said about the O-line but TD and Smitty seem to agree with me.

"Very comfortable," head coach Mike Smith told PFW Saturday at the NFL Scouting Combine. "I thought Sam had his best year (in 2010). This (past) season, unfortunately, he got injured and had to have a procedure done and missed some time. We're looking forward to having Sam back. Sam's very resilient and has fought through a lot of injuries through his first three years."

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/02/26/falcons-smith-would-be-very-comfortable-with-baker

[Trouble]

People laughed at me about what I said about the O-line but TD and Smitty seem to agree with me.

"Very comfortable," head coach Mike Smith told PFW Saturday at the NFL Scouting Combine. "I thought Sam had his best year (in 2010). This (past) season, unfortunately, he got injured and had to have a procedure done and missed some time. We're looking forward to having Sam back. Sam's very resilient and has fought through a lot of injuries through his first three years."

http://www.profootba...able-with-baker

Wait until FA starts, they may not agree with you then.

Sorry Ryan was on pace to be dead by week 9 of last season.

Pressure makes any QB jumpy and Ryan had it coming from all over. I would joke that the DE would probably get to Ryan before the ball after the snap would.

If Baker is all you got and is your only answer. They yes. Support him, coach him up, duck take poles to his arms, what ever. But if there is another option, it better strongly be considered before putting faith in him to protect the blind side of your franchise QB.

[kane#7]

No they don't have to be elite they have to be at least average... no one should be able to cover our recievers everytime... if we give Matt time someone will always get open.

[#1 pick]

Our line is average. The problem is you guys want them to be elite. They don't have that type of talent. Most lines in the NFL today don't.

[madman88]

Matt just doesnt need that instant pressure that he gets consistently.. the fact that the weak spots are across the boared made it even worse.. we need more players like blalock.. big strong but agile...

I believe ryan needs a line like brady and manning.. he is a drop back qb.. just like them, thats why you seen the clts use a 1st and 2nd on tackles last year... They invest heavy in thexline cause payton isnt running nowhere...

[tobyd77]

This topic is not done being discussed yet I'm not going to let you all get out of this discussion that quickly some of you going to eat this cause I told you that Baker was not going anywhere and not to expect no major overhaul on the offensive line but some of you laughed at me. Smitty ,TD, and Pat Hill believe in some of these guys. Blank did not say get rid of the o-line all he said was that they needed to protect Ryan better. He said that we are not going to throw the baby out with the bath water he just expects TD and Smitty to enhance and continue to get the development out of these players that we have and add a few pieces for depth and competition to see who wants it more.

[madman88]

This topic is not done being discussed yet I'm not going to let you all get out of this discussion that quickly some of you going to eat this cause I told you that Baker was not going anywhere and not to expect no major overhaul on the offensive line but some of you laughed at me. Smitty ,TD, and Pat Hill believe in some of these guys. Blank did not say get rid of the o-line all he said was that they needed to protect Ryan better. He said that we are not going to throw the baby out with the bath water he just expects TD and Smitty to enhance and continue to get the development out of these players that we have and add a few pieces for depth and competition to see who wants it more.

baker will not be starting at LT.. hawley will not be playing G... At least two spots will have new guys playing them.. just wait and watch you'l see

[Jah]

Can we please stop pointing to the number of sacks in defense of the line? Our entire scheme was designed to overcome their inability up front, by running the ball ad naseum or getting rid of it in 1.2 seconds when we did throw it. Not once did I see Ryan have the time that Brees or Brady had on a regular basis. And, if Baker is starting at left tackle next year, I am going to get a valium prescription to prepare myself for the inevitable.

[tobyd77]

Time is coming soon for us to see what Baker and this line does under new o-line coach Pat Hill.

[egoprime II]

Time is coming soon for us to see what Baker and this line does under new o-line coach Pat Hill.

Actually we have a ways to go yet, with the draft upcoming. Who knows who TD will draft. Plus you can never know who will get cut released or made available for trade, afterward. When we have minicamp after the draft, Pat Hill will get his first real opportunity to work with our linemen. I don't think we are thru acquiring O line talent. At least I hope not.

Our line's faults in pass protection are well documented, Mularkey and Ryan kept our O line from being exposed too often. Turner and our run blocking made that pretty easy. Then the Giants showed they had the pass rush to get it done against us and the gameplan to make it work. That still does not explain what happened to our run blocking, which fell off mightily.

You point out our O line's successes in 2010 and 2011, keep in mind Boudreau was our line coach, not Hill. So how much improvement there will be is anyone's guess. If there is any improvement, that is.

Edited April 7, 2012 by egoprime II

[vabchbirdlover]

Can we please stop pointing to the number of sacks in defense of the line? Our entire scheme was designed to overcome their inability up front, by running the ball ad naseum or getting rid of it in 1.2 seconds when we did throw it. Not once did I see Ryan have the time that Brees or Brady had on a regular basis. And, if Baker is starting at left tackle next year, I am going to get a valium prescription to prepare myself for the inevitable.

Thank you sir, someone gets it.