I Even Bleed Red Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) I didn't see this posted, but I'm sure it was. If so, just ignore me. If not, this should spark a good discussion...maybe.Anyway, here is the list of B/R's top 50 QBs. Where is Matt Ryan?? I think he placed fairly. What do you think?http://bleacherrepor...50-quarterbacks Edited February 21, 2012 by I Even Bleed Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconOdense Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Blaine Gabbert... OUCH.... Josh Freeman should be higher... Schaub and Newton should be further down the list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumFalconz Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ryan should have been # 6, I'll take him over injury prone Stafford and Schaub in a flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Even Bleed Red Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ryan should have been # 6, I'll take him over injury prone Stafford and Schaub in a flash.I think Ryan should be placed where he is. I would put Peyton Manning above Ryan (yes, Manning can still ball) and consider moving Schaub a spot lower. Stafford outperformed Ryan in pretty much evern category...by a lot. It's hard to make a case about him being below Ryan. Stafford, as of now, is a better QB. He has the intangibles that Ryan has, plus a better deep ball.So was this posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron360 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Stafford did preform well this year but consistency should be considered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Even Bleed Red Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 Stafford did preform well this year but consistency should be consideredThen why is Peyton ranked below Ryan? Why is Brady second to Rodgers? There are plenty of QBs on that list who have been doing a good job for a long time, including Schaub, who outperfomed Ryan last year. Can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron360 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Then why is Peyton ranked below Ryan? Why is Brady second to Rodgers? There are plenty of QBs on that list who have been doing a good job for a long time, including Schaub, who outperfomed Ryan last year. Can't have it both ways.I don't want it both, I don't like the what happened last year mentality. It's not honest. There are to many factors. Schedule, injury, playing from behind or in front, sitting out some games when the playoffs are locked or when a game is over. I want cosistency in a QB. If not let's Alex smith needs to be in the top 6-7. Or TJ Yates needs to rank above manning. I don't want it both ways but this list does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Exploder Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 That list is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) I didn't see this posted, but I'm sure it was. If so, just ignore me. If not, this should spark a good discussion...maybe.Anyway, here is the list of B/R's top 50 QBs. Where is Matt Ryan?? I think he placed fairly. What do you think?http://bleacherrepor...50-quarterbacksI like MR, but any list compiled by whomever, that lists him ahead of argubly, one of the greatest QB's (Peyton Manning), Is borderline ********, imo. Didn't read the reasoning, due to link probs, but I guess they, or more accurately, this one individuial is basing his opinion of Manning's on his recent injury and advanced age? I don't know, myself, I think Ryan should ranked 12/13th. Edited February 21, 2012 by vabchbirdlover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I think Ryan should be placed where he is. I would put Peyton Manning above Ryan (yes, Manning can still ball) and consider moving Schaub a spot lower. Stafford outperformed Ryan in pretty much evern category...by a lot. It's hard to make a case about him being below Ryan. Stafford, as of now, is a better QB. He has the intangibles that Ryan has, plus a better deep ball.So was this posted?Depends on if you look at one year or the three years Stafford has been in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 People it's the Bleacher report ---it's written by fans like us -- not pro sports writers.ex ---there are only 32 teams so how can you rate 50 QBs either 32 or 64 but 50 ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 People it's the Bleacher report ---it's written by fans like us -- not pro sports writers.ex ---there are only 32 teams so how can you rate 50 QBs either 32 or 64 but 50 ???Not that Pro Sports Writers let their biases and feelings get in the way either... but there's no way Tebow is the 40ish best QB and Vick isn't in the 30's. Bleacher Report = Glorified Message Board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Falcon Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I can't put Stafford ahead of Ryan b/c of one good season. He's way to injury prone. Same with Schaub. I think Newton needs to prove more before they place him ahead of Rivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_D Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 People it's the Bleacher report ---it's written by fans like us -- not pro sports writers.ex ---there are only 32 teams so how can you rate 50 QBs either 32 or 64 but 50 ???The list is faulty. Ryan no higher than 11 OR 12 In my opinion. Others out of line like Stafford who outplayed Ryan wnen it counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Didn't read this- BR's habit of putting everything in a slide show so they can sell ads on every single just annoys the he## out of me.Ryan is top ten or just outside it. Only thing keeping him from moving up the list is playoff success, and that will happen soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The list is faulty. Ryan no higher than 11 OR 12 In my opinion. Others out of line like Stafford who outplayed Ryan wnen it counted.When did he do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I think the list is based on stats for last season.And it's from bleacher report, so yeah... :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaveli96 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) I like where Matt Ryan is on this list. He would be higher if the Oline was better and the recievers didn't have butterfingers. Seriosly. We would have been 12-4 if the recievers caught the ball. We woul have had the Texans game, and the first Bucs game back. Edited February 21, 2012 by kkc86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Exploder Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Here's how I would rank the current top 50 QB's. Of course there are only 32 starting QB's in the NFL and with rookies coming in it's obvious that some of these guys are going to be back-ups and what-not. However, these are the most eligible QB's fit to lead a team currently.I've taken pretty much all parameters into account. Consistency, contribution to wins, experience, athletic ability, injuries, and etc.(The *'s are upcoming free agents and the +'s are QB's that I believe have the best chance at increasing their value next season.)First Tier: EliteA: 01. Aaron Rodgers, Packers 02. Drew Brees, Saints* 03. Tom Brady, Patriots 04. Peyton Manning, ColtsB: 05. Eli Manning, Giants 06. Ben Roethlishberger, SteelersSecond Tier: Above AverageA: 07. Tony Romo, Cowboys 08. Philip Rivers, Chargers 09. Michael Vick, Eagles10. Matt Schaub, Texans11. Matt Ryan, Falcons12. Matthew Stafford, Lions +B:13. Jay Cutler, Bears14. Joe Flacco, RavensThird Tier: AverageA: 15. Cam Newton, Panthers +16. Alex Smith, 49ers*B:17. Carson Palmer, Raiders18. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans19. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers +20. Andy Dalton, Bengals +21. Matt Cassel, Chiefs22. Mark Sanchez, Jets23. Jason Campbell, Raiders*24. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bills25. Sam Bradford, Rams +C:26. Kevin Kolb, Cardinals27. Donovan McNabb*28. David Garrard*29. Kyle Orton, Chiefs*Fourth Tier: Below Average30. Tarvaris Jackson, Seahawks31. Colt McCoy, Browns +32. Tim Tebow, Broncos +33. Matt Moore, Dolphins34. Matt Flynn, Packers* +35. Jake Locker, Titans36. Vince Young, Eagles*37. Chad Henne, Dolphins*38. Matt Leinart, Texans39. Christian Ponder, Vikings +40. T.J. Yates, Texans41. Rex Grossman, Redskins*42. John Skelton, Cardinals43. Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars +44. Jimmy Clausen, Panthers45. Mike Kafka, Eagles46. Brady Quinn, Broncos*47. Seneca Wallace, Browns48. John Beck, Redskins*49. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers50. Ryan Mallett, Patriots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Here's how I would rank the current top 50 QB's. Of course there are only 32 starting QB's in the NFL and with rookies coming in it's obvious that some of these guys are going to be back-ups and what-not. However, these are the most eligible QB's fit to lead a team currently.I've taken pretty much all parameters into account. Consistency, contribution to wins, experience, athletic ability, injuries, and etc.(The *'s are upcoming free agents and the +'s are QB's that I believe have the best chance at increasing their value next season.)First Tier: EliteA: 01. Aaron Rodgers, Packers 02. Drew Brees, Saints* 03. Tom Brady, Patriots 04. Peyton Manning, ColtsB: 05. Eli Manning, Giants 06. Ben Roethlishberger, SteelersSecond Tier: Above AverageA: 07. Tony Romo, Cowboys 08. Philip Rivers, Chargers 09. Michael Vick, Eagles10. Matt Schaub, Texans11. Matt Ryan, Falcons12. Matthew Stafford, Lions +B:13. Jay Cutler, Bears14. Joe Flacco, RavensThird Tier: AverageA: 15. Cam Newton, Panthers +16. Alex Smith, 49ers*B:17. Carson Palmer, Raiders18. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans19. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers +20. Andy Dalton, Bengals +21. Matt Cassel, Chiefs22. Mark Sanchez, Jets23. Jason Campbell, Raiders*24. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bills25. Sam Bradford, Rams +C:26. Kevin Kolb, Cardinals27. Donovan McNabb*28. David Garrard*29. Kyle Orton, Chiefs*Fourth Tier: Below Average30. Tarvaris Jackson, Seahawks31. Colt McCoy, Browns +32. Tim Tebow, Broncos +33. Matt Moore, Dolphins34. Matt Flynn, Packers* +35. Jake Locker, Titans36. Vince Young, Eagles*37. Chad Henne, Dolphins*38. Matt Leinart, Texans39. Christian Ponder, Vikings +40. T.J. Yates, Texans41. Rex Grossman, Redskins*42. John Skelton, Cardinals43. Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars +44. Jimmy Clausen, Panthers45. Mike Kafka, Eagles46. Brady Quinn, Broncos*47. Seneca Wallace, Browns48. John Beck, Redskins*49. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers50. Ryan Mallett, PatriotsSo you factored in contribution to win and injuries, yet somehow Vick is better than Ryan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Here's how I would rank the current top 50 QB's. Of course there are only 32 starting QB's in the NFL and with rookies coming in it's obvious that some of these guys are going to be back-ups and what-not. However, these are the most eligible QB's fit to lead a team currently.I've taken pretty much all parameters into account. Consistency, contribution to wins, experience, athletic ability, injuries, and etc.(The *'s are upcoming free agents and the +'s are QB's that I believe have the best chance at increasing their value next season.)First Tier: EliteA: 01. Aaron Rodgers, Packers 02. Drew Brees, Saints* 03. Tom Brady, Patriots 04. Peyton Manning, ColtsB: 05. Eli Manning, Giants 06. Ben Roethlishberger, SteelersSecond Tier: Above AverageA: 07. Tony Romo, Cowboys 08. Philip Rivers, Chargers 09. Michael Vick, Eagles10. Matt Schaub, Texans11. Matt Ryan, Falcons12. Matthew Stafford, Lions +B:13. Jay Cutler, Bears14. Joe Flacco, RavensThird Tier: AverageA: 15. Cam Newton, Panthers +16. Alex Smith, 49ers*B:17. Carson Palmer, Raiders18. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans19. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers +20. Andy Dalton, Bengals +21. Matt Cassel, Chiefs22. Mark Sanchez, Jets23. Jason Campbell, Raiders*24. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bills25. Sam Bradford, Rams +C:26. Kevin Kolb, Cardinals27. Donovan McNabb*28. David Garrard*29. Kyle Orton, Chiefs*Fourth Tier: Below Average30. Tarvaris Jackson, Seahawks31. Colt McCoy, Browns +32. Tim Tebow, Broncos +33. Matt Moore, Dolphins34. Matt Flynn, Packers* +35. Jake Locker, Titans36. Vince Young, Eagles*37. Chad Henne, Dolphins*38. Matt Leinart, Texans39. Christian Ponder, Vikings +40. T.J. Yates, Texans41. Rex Grossman, Redskins*42. John Skelton, Cardinals43. Blaine Gabbert, Jaguars +44. Jimmy Clausen, Panthers45. Mike Kafka, Eagles46. Brady Quinn, Broncos*47. Seneca Wallace, Browns48. John Beck, Redskins*49. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers50. Ryan Mallett, PatriotsIf Ryan made a deep playoff run next year, would it bump him up to the top of the 2nd tier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Exploder Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 So you factored in contribution to win and injuries, yet somehow Vick is better than Ryan?I clearly listed more parameters than that buddy. I placed Vick higher, because he's more dangerous. You might not agree with the list, but surely you would agree that they should both be ranked in the same category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) I clearly listed more parameters than that buddy. I placed Vick higher, because he's more dangerous. You might not agree with the list, but surely you would agree that they should both be ranked in the same category.Maybe if it was 2004-06. Vick hasn't been anymore dangerous than Ryan since and will continue to decline like he did this year.Ten yard scrambles don't make you dangerous. Edited February 21, 2012 by Dharma Initiative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_D Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ten yard scrambles don't make you dangerous.Sure they do if it's 3rd or 4th down in the red zone or needing a first down anywhere on the field to be exact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Exploder Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 If Ryan made a deep playoff run next year, would it bump him up to the top of the 2nd tier?I think so. The reason why I made A, B, and C list is because I believe those QB's are a lot closer to each other than the rest in that tier. Honestly, there's not a whole lot that separates Tony Romo, who I ranked 7th from Matthew Stafford, who I ranked 12th. They're very close in my opinion. Now, Joe Flacco and Jay Cutler... I think there is a clear dividing line between them and the QB's I put in the A list.Maybe if it was 2004-06. Vick hasn't been anymore dangerous than Ryan since and will continue to decline like he did this year.Ten yard scrambles don't make you dangerous.Vick had an outside shot at the MVP last season and he did not have a bad season by any standards last year. And seriously? You're going to act like he's not a dangerous athlete? I don't care if you don't like the guy or don't agree with him, but to undermine his athleticism and running ability is absurd. He's the best rushing QB of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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