Pfw: Falcons Had Right Idea In Trading For Jones

[Big Rob 64]

I like the trade, Julio is already a stud.

I agree, but without an offensive line to give Ryan time to throw, how much does that matter? Without a defense capable of getting stops, how much does it matter? A WR stud is the least important piece of a championship offense. Except for possibly Fullback, depending upon scheme.

[red falcon]

I'm satisfied with the trade, Julio is a monster. If he can stay healthy we'll be fine.

[Big Rob 64]

I'm satisfied with the trade, Julio is a monster. If he can stay healthy we'll be fine.

Weak offensive line.

Weak defensive line.

Spotty linebackers with injury concerns.

A kerosene-soaked secondary holding a book of matches.

An old, heavy, high-mileage running back.

Sure!!! Everythings jussst peachy!!!

[Magic Man]

Weak offensive line.

Weak defensive line.

Spotty linebackers with injury concerns.

A kerosene-soaked secondary holding a book of matches.

An old, heavy, high-mileage running back.

Sure!!! Everythings jussst peachy!!!

Going from the eyeball test, it's easy to see that our O-Line was decimated by injuries and until we could get the right guys in the right positions we struggled. Now I am by NO MEANS saying that we have a good offensive line at this point but my belief is that we have an offensive line that with a RG and/or LT we could be set.

As far as the linebackers, Spoon and Lofton are both top tier backers, and we have Dent (in case Lofton leaves). We're not STACKED at the position, but we do have pieces, and I don't think spotty is a good reflection on the level they played last season. Our LB core was touted as one of the better tandems in the league last year.

It's funny to watch everyone who wants to make observations on a player. If they like the player and he does poorly his rookie season, they say "Give him time to develop, you can't judge rookies until 3 years later." If they don't like him, and he is anything less than all-world you get the "He's a bust" chants. With JJ it's different, because even with missing time, he was right up there with Green as one of the best rookie WR's that came out. Would I like to have our first rounder back this year? You bet your sweet _ss I would, but last season is last season...Free Agency, the Draft, Secondary Free Agency period are all still to come, so before we run to Flowery Branch with pitchforks and torches, let's see how the team this year looks...

[Big Rob 64]

1) ---we have an offensive line that with a RG and/or LT we could be set.

2) As far as the linebackers, Spoon and Lofton are both top tier backers, and we have Dent (in case Lofton leaves). We're not STACKED at the position, but we do have pieces, and I don't think spotty is a good reflection on the level they played last season.

3) Our LB core was touted as one of the better tandems in the league last year.

4) --- before we run to Flowery Branch with pitchforks and torches, let's see how the team this year looks...

1) So needing to replace 2/5 of our line, with no first rounder and a very small amount available for free agency, is a situation you're comfortable with?

2) Spoon and Lofton are both hurt all the time. Lofton is a liability in coverage. Dent is a no-talent worthless waste of roster space and cap room.

3) Tandem? We ran a 4/3. Even with your rosy shades we would appear to need at least one more.

4) By the time you guys catch up to me and realize our team is a hot mess, it will be too late.

Just like when I was harshly, abusively critical of MM And BVG when we were in the midst of a 13-3 season. I was right; all of you blind pollyanna homers were wrong.

[Total Package]

1) So needing to replace 2/5 of our line, with no first rounder and a very small amount available for free agency, is a situation you're comfortable with?

2) Spoon and Lofton are both hurt all the time. Lofton is a liability in coverage. Dent is a no-talent worthless waste of roster space and cap room.

3) Tandem? We ran a 4/3. Even with your rosy shades we would appear to need at least one more.

4) By the time you guys catch up to me and realize our team is a hot mess, it will be too late.

Just like when I was harshly, abusively critical of MM And BVG when we were in the midst of a 13-3 season. I was right; all of you blind pollyanna homers were wrong.

Dude you are fricking clueless.

[Big Rob 64]

Dude you are fricking clueless.

Dude, you are fricking green cheese and clay.

Hey! Making up crap is fun and easy!

Try this: try proving anything I say wrong.

[Total Package]

Dude, you are fricking green cheese and clay.

Hey! Making up crap is fun and easy!

Try this: try proving anything I say wrong.

Not gonna waste my time but I will expand my ignore list for ya!

[Big Rob 64]

Not gonna waste my time but I will expand my ignore list for ya!

Just as I thought. You got nuthin'. Go stick your head in the sand, little ostrich. When we are sliding back towards laughing-stock status due to cronyism, mismanagement, and an inability to re-stock our talent, I will bring this all back up and laugh at you.

[dirtybirdz10984]

dude get over it already!

[Big Rob 64]

dude get over it already!

The alternative being--- what? To rah-rah cheer a team that looks like it is in dire straits? I am, have been, and will always be a loyal Falcon fan. But that does not mean I have to duct tape my eyes shut, put a clothes-pin over my nose, and enjoy whatever the organization shovels down my throat.

I believe we are backsliding, and it is going to be hard to reverse in the short-term.

[dirtybirdz10984]

The alternative being--- what? To rah-rah cheer a team that looks like it is in dire straits? I am, have been, and will always be a loyal Falcon fan. But that does not mean I have to duct tape my eyes shut, put a clothes-pin over my nose, and enjoy whatever the organization shovels down my throat.

I believe we are backsliding, and it is going to be hard to reverse in the short-term.

how can you determine we are backsliding? in this 4 year run what did we do differently this year we havent the past 3 that would make you think otherwise?

[falconidae]

The alternative being--- what? To rah-rah cheer a team that looks like it is in dire straits? I am, have been, and will always be a loyal Falcon fan. But that does not mean I have to duct tape my eyes shut, put a clothes-pin over my nose, and enjoy whatever the organization shovels down my throat.

I believe we are backsliding, and it is going to be hard to reverse in the short-term.

You also believed we'd lost a game at TB in the 3rd quarter that we came back to win.

So, what you believe isn't always right and you tend to decide things before all the facts are in.

[vel]

The alternative being--- what? To rah-rah cheer a team that looks like it is in dire straits? I am, have been, and will always be a loyal Falcon fan. But that does not mean I have to duct tape my eyes shut, put a clothes-pin over my nose, and enjoy whatever the organization shovels down my throat.

I believe we are backsliding, and it is going to be hard to reverse in the short-term.

What do you see going right with the team then? Let's start there?

Also, I didn't know Spoon and Lofton were injured all the time. Lofton played 99% of the defensive snaps this year with Spoon playing 97%. Can you help me out with what I'm missing?

[Big Rob 64]

What do you see going right with the team then? Let's start there?

Also, I didn't know Spoon and Lofton were injured all the time. Lofton played 99% of the defensive snaps this year with Spoon playing 97%. Can you help me out with what I'm missing?

We blew the OC hire, but nailed the DC hire. Nolan or Spags is a tough call, and there was probably no wrong choice between those two.

They finally benched Sackmaker Baker. The fact that a nondescript player more naturally suited to RT was such a vast and immediate upgrade is the most damning possible indictment of Baker.

Although the price paid for him is crippling, Julio Jones looks to be an absolute stud.

Bosher seemed to pull his act together after a horrendous start.

Matt Bryant is money when he is in range.

Weems is a surprisingly effective ST ace.

That's about it.

As far as Lofton and Spoon, Lofton didn't miss much time this season, but previous injuries have slowed him. He is a liability in coverage like I do not remember him being in the past. I do not believe Dent has NFL talent. Peterson might have played under Vince Lombardi.

[Guest TheIdowu]

I m not going to go as far as saying Julio is the ebst WR on the team. I believe White still is HOWEVER I had always been fine with the trade.

[Guest TheIdowu]

We blew the OC hire, but nailed the DC hire. Nolan or Spags is a tough call, and there was probably no wrong choice between those two.

They finally benched Sackmaker Baker. The fact that a nondescript player more naturally suited to RT was such a vast and immediate upgrade is the most damning possible indictment of Baker.

Although the price paid for him is crippling, Julio Jones looks to be an absolute stud.

Bosher seemed to pull his act together after a horrendous start.

Matt Bryant is money when he is in range.

Weems is a surprisingly effective ST ace.

That's about it.

As far as Lofton and Spoon, Lofton didn't miss much time this season, but previous injuries have slowed him. He is a liability in coverage like I do not remember him being in the past. I do not believe Dent has NFL talent. Peterson might have played under Vince Lombardi.

Oh god, another armchair talent

[Big Rob 64]

Oh god, another armchair talent

I was answering a question directed specifically at me, you dunce.

[Jah]

[Falconsfan567]

I loved the trade at the time and loved it even more once I saw how quickly Julio got on the same page as Matt.

[Knight of God]

I was answering a question directed specifically at me, you dunce.

???? Dude you've been acting real off lately man. You need to chill out with personal insults.

[Total Package]

Big Rob, for what it's worth,I apologize for insulting you and I should not have done that. Don't take it personal and have a good day.

[ukfalc]

I don't agree with the critics very often, but they are spot on with this one.

This team had too many holes - and prospective future FA losses - to spend 5 high and mid value picks on 1 player. The only position ever worth paying that price for is a franchise QB.

The 1st and 2nd round picks should have been used to add 2OL and either a long term replacement afor Abe or a #2 WR. That would still have left us with a pair of 4th rounders to add depth where we need it.

As it is, this still team still needs 2 OL, long term replacements for Abe and Gonzo, a starting FS, and - depending on what transpires in FA - we might need a starting MLB, starting CB and 3rd WR - and that's before you even consider adding players for depth. With only 2 pick of significant value left in this year's draft, we are up against it even with $30m in cap room.

This team has massively overspent on the WR position for a decade now at the expense of the OL. That is why our OL is so poor and has held this team back for years. Going back to 2002 we have used 5 first round picks on WR's since then. When you consider the picks traded away to move up for Michael Jenkins and Jones, by my reckoning we've spend 17 picks on the WR position since 2002. Contrast this to the OL, where by my clacualtion we have spend 11 picks, the only high value picks being the first rounder on baker and 2nd rounder on Blalock and 3rd on Hawley. the other OL we drafted were all taken in the 4th-7th rounders. The discrepancy is even more startling when you remember that that an NFL team needs 5 starting OL, but only 2 or 3 starting WR (in or case 2, as our 3rd WR has been heavily underutilised under Knapp and Mularkey).

Julio migh turn out to be a great player, but whether this team succeeds or fails over the next 5 years will depend on our ability (or inability) to finally build a good OL and to replace the invetable FA losses, in the light of the very valuable picks is trade.

[falconidae]

I don't agree with the critics very often, but they are spot on with this one.

This team had too many holes - and prospective future FA losses - to spend 5 high and mid value picks on 1 player. The only position ever worth paying that price for is a franchise QB.

The 1st and 2nd round picks should have been used to add 2OL and either a long term replacement afor Abe or a #2 WR. That would still have left us with a pair of 4th rounders to add depth where we need it.

As it is, this still team still needs 2 OL, long term replacements for Abe and Gonzo, a starting FS, and - depending on what transpires in FA - we might need a starting MLB, starting CB and 3rd WR - and that's before you even consider adding players for depth. With only 2 pick of significant value left in this year's draft, we are up against it even with $30m in cap room.

This team has massively overspent on the WR position for a decade now at the expense of the OL. That is why our OL is so poor and has held this team back for years. Going back to 2002 we have used 5 first round picks on WR's since then. When you consider the picks traded away to move up for Michael Jenkins and Jones, by my reckoning we've spend 17 picks on the WR position since 2002. Contrast this to the OL, where by my clacualtion we have spend 11 picks, the only high value picks being the first rounder on baker and 2nd rounder on Blalock and 3rd on Hawley. the other OL we drafted were all taken in the 4th-7th rounders. The discrepancy is even more startling when you remember that that an NFL team needs 5 starting OL, but only 2 or 3 starting WR (in or case 2, as our 3rd WR has been heavily underutilised under Knapp and Mularkey).

Julio migh turn out to be a great player, but whether this team succeeds or fails over the next 5 years will depend on our ability (or inability) to finally build a good OL and to replace the invetable FA losses, in the light of the very valuable picks is trade.

If you look at pretty much every team's Oline, it consists of a couple of high picks and 2-3 late round or undrafted players.

Falcons got unlucky with injuries on both lines last year- Edwards surgery, Babineaux missing time, every Dline starter missing games

On O McClure missing time hurt early-having two players side by side that were starting their first games wasn't planned for and caused problems, Johnson got hurt and Baker as well. People hate Baker but he was at least mediocre in 10. With better health, the Oline [and Dline] would have looked better last year.

Falcons probably fill their interior Oline with in house talent and grab a LT in FA.