Harlem Falcon1 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I feel we have 2 fully capable DE's waiting in the wings in Sidbury and Matthews. Add that with a heck of defensive philosophy with Mike Nolan I think we should be good. Sidbury can be our pierre-paul. I say let Abe walk save that cap and make a big splash in free agency. Our defense was decent last year even though it was more vanilla than anything. Its our O-line that is just a 1-2 line man away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I feel we have 2 fully capable DE's waiting in the wings in Sidbury and Matthews. What game did you watch that allowed you to come to that conclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I like how people assume these guys that barely see the field are worth the risk of not trying to find better talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlem Falcon1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 All games. Matt had a great year with that thing we call an O-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardenmj Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 The odds of both of these guys turning out to be solid, starting caliber players, is very unlikely...maybe one of them, but if we go in to this season with our hopes on sid and matthews it will be a long season.Sid can be our JPP - come on now...JPP is elite, game-changer, freak. Sid finally cracked his way onto the field this past season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlem Falcon1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 My badd I meant to say Tuck. Not JPP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlem Falcon1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Yea he didnt play much but look what he did in the limited playing time that he did get. I just have a feeling that mike nolan is going to turn this dude into a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Yea he didn't play much but look what he did in the limited playing time that he did get. I just have a feeling that mike nolan is going to turn this dude into a beast.Thats a big gamble. When we know for a fact Abe is our pass rush. People have came in and at times we thought many of those could be starters. Only to see they are better suited in backup roles or in a rotational role.But to let our only known weapon on the DLINE go, is alot to gamble if it does not pan out. There wont be a plan B.Remember everything starts with the lines. No pass rush = no pressure meaning our D will suck no matter who is back there. That forces us to try and do more of what we did last year. Bring more pressure because our front 4 wasn't getting it. Leaving man to man coverage or less.Abe leaving is like saying JPW can take over for Ryan. Edited February 17, 2012 by danight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I feel we have 2 fully capable DE's waiting in the wings in Sidbury and Matthews. Add that with a heck of defensive philosophy with Mike Nolan I think we should be good. Sidbury can be our pierre-paul. I say let Abe walk save that cap and make a big splash in free agency. Our defense was decent last year even though it was more vanilla than anything. Its our O-line that is just a 1-2 line man away.Matthews?!? We don't know Matthews from Steve, he hasn't played. Sidbury may have some talent left still to show, but I think he has pretty much reached his potential.I would love to get Cliff Avril, but d*mn it sucks to have to spend big for a DE for the second straight season. If we let Abe go, and re-sign Biermann, the rotation of Kroy and Sid would be average at best. And don't forget that is also counting on Ray to step up as well. If Biermann goes, we need help. Plain and simple. Edited February 17, 2012 by blackredfellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Ray who? I hope this guy was just recovering from that knee, because if that was the best he can do we just added to our DE problems rather than solved the problems... Geeez! This DE crap is getting stale and the villagers are lighting the torches... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlem Falcon1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Which brings me to my next point blackredfellow. What would you say we need more of O-line or D-line? I do understand that we need both but I just feel mike nolan will do a little bit more with what he has. As opposed to koetter who the jury is still out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I like how people assume these guys that barely see the field are worth the risk of not trying to find better talentDidn't Sid shine is his very, very limited role last season after being benched a full year. Matthews will get his chance to prove you wrong as well. Getting a pass rushing DT would be a little more helpful than signing another big name DE Edited February 17, 2012 by ya_boi_j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Sid can be or JPP? LMFAO. I guess Jelly can be our Suh right? Dunta can be our Reevis. I like this game. It's fun. What's it called? Delusionary cluelessivity? Jeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Which brings me to my next point blackredfellow. What would you say we need more of O-line or D-line? I do understand that we need both but I just feel mike nolan will do a little bit more with what he has. As opposed to koetter who the jury is still out on.If we are speaking in terms of coaching expecations, yes I think Nolan will get more out of less. Another thing to think about is that if we go to more man coverage, and more exotic blitzes, we may just be able to get by with what we have (or will have). As Nolan said, he would rather see 10 guys get 4 sacks than 4 guys get 10 sacks. This makes me think we see more LB, and Safety blitzes.Also remember that what happens up front has to do with whats happening in the secondary. If we lose Grimes, and don't get a suitable replacement, I don't know if it matters what DE is lining up.It's quite possible we see Spoon end up with 7-8 sacks, and Moore with 4-5, and even a guy like Adkins get 2 or 3. The good thing is Nolan will bring pressure from unexpected places. I think if that works consistently, you will see the boards start to forget about this DE conversation. Edited February 17, 2012 by blackredfellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcky_mtn_falcon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Matthews?!? We don't know Matthews from Steve, he hasn't played. Sidbury may have some talent left still to show, but I think he has pretty much reached his potential.I would love to get Cliff Avril, but d*mn it sucks to have to spend big for a DE for the second straight season. If we let Abe go, and re-sign Biermann, the rotation of Kroy and Sid would be average at best. And don't forget that is also counting on Ray to step up as well. If Biermann goes, we need help. Plain and simple.What DE did we spend big on last year ??Ray Edwards signed a 5 year 30 million dollar contract that EVERYONE thought was a bargain last year. Only 11 million is guaranteed, and Nolan might actually put him in a position to make that look like a bargain again.The people on this board are ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackredfellow Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 What DE did we spend big on last year ??Ray Edwards signed a 5 year 30 million dollar contract that EVERYONE thought was a bargain last year. Only 11 million is guaranteed, and Nolan might actually put him in a position to make that look like a bargain again.The people on this board are ridiculous.Ridiculous? Yea, Dimitroff got him for a decent price. Is that still a big salary to take on. Yes, it is. Obviously its not Freeney, Peppers, or Charles Johnson money. So because we didnt break the bank, its not a big salary? The contract is only a "bargain" in the first year, last year. Otherwise, its a higher end contract for a defensive end. Without looking at the numbers, I'd guess that puts him in the top 15. Do you understand figurative comprehension? By big, I meant that is the FA we targeted and gave a higher end salary to, and I would hate to see us do that again for the same position. If you asked me before signing Edwards what I thought our FO should give up, what we gave sounds about right. That is what one should expect to give up for a quality FA. So try a little figurative comprehension before calling people ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfalcons Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 What game did you watch that allowed you to come to that conclusion?LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Didn't Sid shine is his very, very limited role last season after being benched a full year. Matthews will get his chance to prove you wrong as well. Getting a pass rushing DT would be a little more helpful than signing another big name DEBiermann shined in his limited role in 2008. Abe shines because he gets rested all of the time. No one on the roster is a fulltime DE.And we have pretty good DT's so that's not a big issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Biermann shined in his limited role in 2008. Abe shines because he gets rested all of the time. No one on the roster is a fulltime DE.And we have pretty good DT's so that's not a big issue I think your wrong about our DT's when it mattered they got dominanted as did the whole D-line if we are going to inject new talent I start right there upfront on defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Biermann shined in his limited role in 2008. Abe shines because he gets rested all of the time. No one on the roster is a fulltime DE.And we have pretty good DT's so that's not a big issueYet every review I read says ATL's problem is not collapsing the pocket thus allowing QBs to step up - away from the edge rush. Edited February 17, 2012 by delaigle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Biermann shined in his limited role in 2008. Abe shines because he gets rested all of the time. No one on the roster is a fulltime DE.And we have pretty good DT's so that's not a big issue pretty good isn't getting the job done. If they were so good fans wouldn't be begging for DE every year. We need at least 1 more DT that can make a real impact. Babz is good when healthy and Peters shows flashes at times but thats all we got. Either we improve inside or line up 4 DE like the Giants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Dontari Poe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirCzah Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 To be honest I think the biggest weakness on our line is the inability for our DTs to push through. Watching the past season our DTs disappeared far too often and that allowed QBs to step up into the pocket and avoid our end pressure. In hindsight our DEs played fairly well and while watching I did alot of complaining and cussing about failed tackling on sacks but that was a result of the QB having room to escape. Also the lack of middle pressure allowed for more double teams on our DEs. I would like to see bigger DTs to compliment our undersized DEs or see more LB blitzes up the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Is this serious? Did you see all of the games where we put absolutely no pressure on the quarterback? It was embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) I like how people assume these guys that barely see the field are worth the risk of not trying to find better talentSidbury looked FANTASTIC when on the field last year. There is no debating that. Edited February 18, 2012 by RubberDucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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