g-dawg Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 2012 Falcons Offseason:$31 million cap spaceFalcon Free Agents:Re-sign (costs $16 mil cap space):· Brent Grimes,CB – 4yrs, $30million – too good to let go, 2nd best defensive player· Harry Douglas,WR –3yrs, $7.5million-will replace Weems on punt returns· Kroy Bierrman,DE/OLB-2yrs, $4million-want to see what Mike Nolan can do w/ him as hybrid LB· Todd McClure,C – 1yr $2million-just need one more year out of him· Jason Snelling,RB-1yr $2million-stopgap, important move – you will see why later· James Sanders,SS-1yr, $1million-give him SS starter role and move Willy Mo to Free· Joe Zelenka,LS-2yr, $1million-this is vet minimum type dealLet Go:· Curtis Lofton,MLB – too much money for a 2-down player· John Abraham,DE-too old, part-time player· Thomas DeCoud,FS-this should be self-explanatory· Reggie Kelly,TE-old has-been, Reeves trading 1st rounder for him still haunts me· Chris Redman,QB-just don’t believe in him anymore, he’s regressed· Eric Weems,KR/PR-his value torpedo’d with the kickoff rules, terrible punt returner· Kelvin Hayden,CB-too expensive for oft-injured backup – Franks/Walls are better· Brett Romberg,C-puh-leze· Kirk Chambers,OT-who?· Mike Peterson,LB-great pick-up but he needs to go, too oldCut (saves $7mil cap space):· Michael Turner,RB-saves cap money and Turner is declining – better year too early than too late· Ovie Mughelli,FB-another cap savings – can be brought back midseason if healthy on the cheap· Sam Baker, LT-he is not worthy to wear the Falcon logo – more cap spaceNon-free agent to re-sign (saves $6mil cap space):· Matt Ryan, QB-6yrs, $84million – will be done to gain about $5million in cap spaceNFL Unrestricted Free Agency (costs $20 mil cap space):· Mario Williams, DE-Texans 6’6”, 283lbs – 7yrs $100million· Jared Gaither, LT-Chargers 6’9, 340lbs – 3yrs, $12 million· Channing Crowder,MLB-Dolphins 6’2”, 250lbs – 2yrs, $4millionNFL Draft:· #2-55) Orson Charles, TE-Georgia 6’3”, 241lbs - here is our "bust the middle of the seam" Tight End that teams like Saints, Patriots and Packers have. As Roddy ages, Orson Charles will emerge as #2 option behind Julio. He will present match-up problems his rookie year in special packages - also learns from Tony G.· #3-87) Brandon Brooks, OG-Miami(OH) 6’5”, 343lbs - here is Falcons chance to draft a Carl Nicks clone again. He's a mauler and may not last until the 3rd round. I hope he does.Cap Space Remaining - $8 million – will be used to sign the rookies and role players. I’m sure we might need more and some more re-structuring or lower level cuts could possibly be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 So who do we replace Turner and Lofton with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 So who do we replace Turner and Lofton with?Michael Turner is replaced with combo of Jason Snelling, Jacquizz Rodgers and Antone SmithCurtis Lofton is replaced with combo of Akeem Dent and Channing Crowder.next question.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danish-pride Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Very good run through.However i disagree with your assesment of Lofton. He has really picked up his play in coverage and would be a perfect 3-4 insidebacker. Also i thinke he can be had at a reasonable price.Give me a couple of mins and i will try and find the video of Loftons coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Michael Turner is replaced with combo of Jason Snelling, Jacquizz Rodgers and Antone SmithCurtis Lofton is replaced with combo of Akeem Dent and Channing Crowder.next question....dear god... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Very good run through.However i disagree with your assesment of Lofton. He has really picked up his play in coverage and would be a perfect 3-4 insidebacker. Also i thinke he can be had at a reasonable price.Give me a couple of mins and i will try and find the video of Loftons coverage.Lofton's coverage is not that good - his stats looked a little better because he lucked into a few INTs but his coverage is still not good, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I like it and it is pretty realistic. I am fine with letting Turner walk but only if we take a RB in the 5th. Snelling and Quizz aren't a true running game to get you through the playoffs. I am fine with letting Dent be the 2-down MLB if Lofton is only going to be a 2-down player. No point in overpaying when the role of the MLB will be reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 dear god...what you are not taking into account is that Michael Turner is in decline. Better in my opinion to let him go a year too early than a year too late.Falcons are moving to a more pass friendly offense now that the plodding Mularkey has been vanquished.When Michael Turner is in the game, teams know that Falcons are running the ball. While Turner had good overall stats this year because he had a lot of 15-20yd runs - he had tons and tons of lost yardage runs as well - more than most that got his carries. Turner is still good but he's 30 and will be hitting the wall - it happens almost 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danish-pride Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Nah not impressed by his numbers. Cant find the clip but it was on NFL Network Playbook. It was with Clips of the first Saints and Lions game where Lofton had perfect coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 what you are not taking into account is that Michael Turner is in decline. Better in my opinion to let him go a year too early than a year too late.Falcons are moving to a more pass friendly offense now that the plodding Mularkey has been vanquished.When Michael Turner is in the game, teams know that Falcons are running the ball. While Turner had good overall stats this year because he had a lot of 15-20yd runs - he had tons and tons of lost yardage runs as well - more than most that got his carries. Turner is still good but he's 30 and will be hitting the wall - it happens almost 100% of the time.No, its his replacements mentioned that make me cringe. Snelling isnt a full time replacement for Turner. Antone Smith blows. Jacquizz is a 3rd down scat back. Turner has to be replaced with another RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 No, its his replacements mentioned that make me cringe. Snelling isnt a full time replacement for Turner. Antone Smith blows. Jacquizz is a 3rd down scat back. Turner has to be replaced with another RBI don't love any of those replacements - but 1/2 the teams in the NFL have crap for RBs. I just think Falcons can make do with those options plus Dmitri Nance for 2012 - it will be good enough. Falcons will get more production out of the passing game. Koetter uses screen passes like part of the run game. It will work until 2013 when Falcons can draft a running back in first three rounds.You cannot fix all the Falcons problems in one off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I don't love any of those replacements - but 1/2 the teams in the NFL have crap for RBs. I just think Falcons can make do with those options plus Dmitri Nance for 2012 - it will be good enough. Falcons will get more production out of the passing game. Koetter uses screen passes like part of the run game. It will work until 2013 when Falcons can draft a running back in first three rounds.You cannot fix all the Falcons problems in one off-season.Yea but you dont leave the RB situation with just those 3 guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Yea but you dont leave the RB situation with just those 3 guysstop me when you don't hear an all-pro...........Roddy White.......Tony Gonzalez........Julio Jones......hello passing game.....push Will Svitek to Right Tackle, kick Tyson Clabo into Right Guard - and now you have legit pass blocking for Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share Posted February 17, 2012 Yea but you dont leave the RB situation with just those 3 guyshere are Packers RBs - James Starks/Ryan Granthere are Patriots RBs - BenJarvis Green-Ellis/Stephen Ridleygranted, I know Matt Ryan is not Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady but you get my point.Name me the team that has won in the Superbowl on the strength of their running game in the last 10 years.......its a passing league my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 stop me when you don't hear an all-pro...........Roddy White.......Tony Gonzalez........Julio Jones......hello passing game.....push Will Svitek to Right Tackle, kick Tyson Clabo into Right Guard - and now you have legit pass blocking for MattAnd still no Running back who can play all 3 downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 here are Packers RBs - James Starks/Ryan Granthere are Patriots RBs - BenJarvis Green-Ellis/Stephen Ridleygranted, I know Matt Ryan is not Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady but you get my point.Name me the team that has won in the Superbowl on the strength of their running game in the last 10 years.......its a passing league my friend.I get what you are saying but those teams have Belichik and McCarthy as Coaches and Brady and Rodgers as QB, so you cant compare them to the Falcons in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Mays Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 We would be paying Mario more then Matt. 6yr 84mill and 7yr 100mill. Thats about 168mill between two players in 6yrs. I want Mario more then the next man but not at 7yr 100mill. I know pep got 6 yrs 91mill but it wasn't coming of a injury. If we can get it down to 7yrs 82mill. Then I think its a good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.Mays Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 here are Packers RBs - James Starks/Ryan Granthere are Patriots RBs - BenJarvis Green-Ellis/Stephen Ridleygranted, I know Matt Ryan is not Aaron Rodgers nor Tom Brady but you get my point.Name me the team that has won in the Superbowl on the strength of their running game in the last 10 years.......its a passing league my friend.Name the Giants RBs and name Pitt RBs. You see it goes both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuswap Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Your getting rid of half the team and signing Mario Williams and some rookies , not a big fan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamPlayer1 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Why all of the love for Snelling? I just don't get it. He tries to run shifty like Barry Sanders but is big and not that fast. I know, I know he trucked his way to the endzone once but his YPC the last year is 3.4 and 3.7 although he is a good receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Snelling is a good backup, but he cant carry the load for a whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsManhood Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I spit my soda up and stopped reading when you extended Matt Ryan to a contract averaging 14 million a year and put him among salary's of Brady and Peyton Manning.I still do not see what anyone has seen in him that indicates his is worth this type of money?Ryan is a very good game manager and should make no more than 6 mill a year. 5 years 30 mill would be reasonable to me.I'm interested in seeing what Flacco get's because they should be paid around the same I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I spit my soda up and stopped reading when you extended Matt Ryan to a contract averaging 14 million a year and put him among salary's of Brady and Peyton Manning.I still do not see what anyone has seen in him that indicates his is worth this type of money?Ryan is a very good game manager and should make no more than 6 mill a year. 5 years 30 mill would be reasonable to me.I'm interested in seeing what Flacco get's because they should be paid around the same I think.Flacco has definitely earned his money, but the Ravens arent going to pay him what he wants. The Ravens are a Defense Team, their QB just needs to be Average for them to succeed. They feel like they can low-ball Flacco and if he doesnt like it then "oh well, we'll find somebody else". Stupid thinking IMO, because Flacco is a very good talent, but the Ravens dont run the kind of Offense that depends that much on him. They rely on Ray Rice and their Defense mostly. Flacco on any other team would be one of the top paid QBs in the NFL right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsManhood Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Flacco has definitely earned his money, but the Ravens arent going to pay him what he wants. The Ravens are a Defense Team, their QB just needs to be Average for them to succeed. They feel like they can low-ball Flacco and if he doesnt like it then "oh well, we'll find somebody else". Stupid thinking IMO, because Flacco is a very good talent, but the Ravens dont run the kind of Offense that depends that much on him. They rely on Ray Rice and their Defense mostly. Flacco on any other team would be one of the top paid QBs in the NFL right now.Do you agree that Flacco and Ryan should be in the same pay grade? I know many will argue this since they will never admitt that Flacco and Ryan are on the same level as far as QB's go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsManhood Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Flacco has definitely earned his money, but the Ravens arent going to pay him what he wants. The Ravens are a Defense Team, their QB just needs to be Average for them to succeed. They feel like they can low-ball Flacco and if he doesnt like it then "oh well, we'll find somebody else". Stupid thinking IMO, because Flacco is a very good talent, but the Ravens dont run the kind of Offense that depends that much on him. They rely on Ray Rice and their Defense mostly. Flacco on any other team would be one of the top paid QBs in the NFL right now.I also think they will try to bring him back but again it has to be a fair offer, Just like Ryan, Flacco has leaned on the success of the team around him and has not consistantly put the team on his back, These guys should get paid in the 5-7 mill range at most imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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