Manning's Playoff Record... While We Dis Matt Ryan

[The Falcon Jedi Knight]

dumb thread - Peyton Manning is a 1st Ballot HOFer. Comparing Ryan to Manning at this point is stupid

[metatron360]

Manning won his ring with the top playoff defense. They where 3rd in the league that year.

Gve us a top 5 defense and it's in the bag.

They say the colts where the worst team without manning. Well where would we be with redman at QB. I'm guessing 3-4 wins maybe.

Eli and Ben. When your d is playing ball heck Alex smith can win a superbowl!

anytime a high octane offense you loses a franchise QB your gonna be at the bottom of the league Regardless if it's manning or any one else

Edited February 15, 2012 by metatron360

[Falconsfan567]

Does this same argument work for Tony Romo as well?

I'm one of the guys that actually think Tony Romo is a pretty good QB and not given nearly the amount of credit he deserves.

dumb thread - Peyton Manning is a 1st Ballot HOFer. Comparing Ryan to Manning at this point is stupid

Peyton Manning wasn't after his 4th NFL season. In fact the similarities between Manning and Ryan through their first 4 NFL seasons are striking. Some people just choose to have selective memory. But the fact of the matter is that all the talk about Manning back then was "He can't win the big one." "He's good enough to get to the playoffs but not good enough to win in the playoffs." "He has a history of not playing well in big games and his teams losing. He never beat Florida when he was at Tennessee." Who does that sound like? Sounds alot like what people are saying about Matt Ryan today.

[The Falcon Jedi Knight]

I'm one of the guys that actually think Tony Romo is a pretty good QB and not given nearly the amount of credit he deserves.

Peyton Manning wasn't after his 4th NFL season. In fact the similarities between Manning and Ryan through their first 4 NFL seasons are striking. Some people just choose to have selective memory. But the fact of the matter is that all the talk about Manning back then was "He can't win the big one." "He's good enough to get to the playoffs but not good enough to win in the playoffs." "He has a history of not playing well in big games and his teams losing. He never beat Florida when he was at Tennessee." Who does that sound like? Sounds alot like what people are saying about Matt Ryan today.

Ryan is a dink & dunk passer. Manning is a gun-slinger. Dink and Dunk doesnt win a Dunkin Donut in the NFL today. Ryan needs to time-warp to 2008 when he slung the ball.

[Falconsfan567]

Ryan is a dink & dunk passer. Manning is a gun-slinger. Dink and Dunk doesnt win a Dunkin Donut in the NFL today. Ryan needs to time-warp to 2008 when he slung the ball.

The numbers say otherwise. Matt finished in the top 10 in passing yards, yards per attempt, yards per game, nfl passer rating, touchdown passes, completions of 20-plus yards, completions of 40-plus yards. You don't rack up those numbers by playing a dink and dunk game.

Here are the top 10 passes in the NFL. Their team's total plays, passing plays, rushing plays and percentage of passing plays.

1. Drew Brees [N0] - 1093 total plays - 662 passing plays [2nd] - 431 rushing plays [20th] - 60.5% passing plays.

2. Tom Brady [NE] - 1050 total plays - 612 passing plays [3rd] - 438 rushing plays [17th] - 58.3% passing plays.

3. Matthew Stafford [DET] - 1022 total plays - 666 passing plays [1st] - 356 rushing plays [31st] - 65.2% passing plays.

4. Eli Manning [NYG] - 1000 total plays - 589 passing plays [6th] = 411 rushing plays [22nd] - 58.9% passing plays.

5. Aaron Rodgers [GB] - 947 total plays - 552 passing plays - 395 rushing plays [25th] - 58.3% passing plays.

6. Philip Rivers [sD] - 1018 total plays - 582 passing plays [9th] - 436 rushing plays [18th] 57.2% passing plays.

7. Tony Romo [DAL] - 978 total plays - 570 passing plays [11th] - 408 rushing plays [24th] 58.3% passing plays.

8. Matt Ryan [ATL] - 1047 total plays - 594 passing plays [4th] - 453 rushing plays [11th] - 56.7% passing plays.

9. Ben Roethlisberger [PIT] - 973 total plays - 539 passing plays [19th] - 434 rushing plays [19th] 55.4% passing plays

10. Cam Newton [CAR] - 964 total plays - 519 passing plays [23rd] - 445 rushing plays [14th] 53.8% passing plays.

So of the top 10 passers in the NFL this year Matt Ryan's team had the 3rd lowest percentage of passing plays. The only 2 teams with a lower percentage of passing plays were the Steelers and Panthers and not surprisingly enough Matt finished with more passing yards than Roethlisberger and Newton. I would love to see what Matt was capable of doing if the Falcons passed it 60% of the time.

[trudweathers]

dumb thread - Peyton Manning is a 1st Ballot HOFer. Comparing Ryan to Manning at this point is stupid

No yoda... Not comparing Ryan to Manning relative to first four years career is stupid. We can't say yay or nay on any future HOF for Ryan but we can take a known data point, observe and correlate.

Just because the actual stats don't support some pathetic hopeless narrative of Ryan hate, you choose to ignore them. Be a yoda and not an ostrich.

Edited February 15, 2012 by trudweathers

[falconidae]

Why limit it to Peyton, why don't we look at every QB who has ever won a super bowl:

There have been 27 QBs that won the Super Bowl, of those 5 have won a playoff game by their second year- Big Ben, Brady, Warner, Rypien & Williams.

The rest all took 3 years or longer to win their first playoff game:

Eli- 4th year

Rodgers 6th year

Brees 6th year

Peyton 6th year

Johnson 6th year

Dilfer 4th year

Elway 4th year

Farve 3rd year

Aikman 4th year

Hostetler 5th year

Montana 3rd year

Simms 5th year

McMahon 4th year

Plunkett 9th year

Bradshaw 3rd year

Staubach 3rd year

Stabler 4th year

Griese 4th year

Morrall 13 years

Dawson 6th year

Namath 4th year

Starr 5th year

Ryan not having won a playoff game yet hardly eliminates him as a super bowl winning QB.

[Magic Man]

Sigh this again...Matt Ryan is not as good as Peyton Manning. Point blank period. Again this is not a knock on Ryan. There's no shame in not being as good as Peyton. Only 3-4 qbs in the league are on Peyton's level.

No one was trying to argue that Ryan is on a Peyton (pre-neck issue) level, but rather that Peyton went on to much success in the playoffs, and eventually won a bowl, despite lighting it up in the reg season and losing out in the playoffs early on. Everyone's so quick to jump to the "HE'S NO PEYTON" argument...well no crap Matt's no Peyton, look at the Forehead's for all the proof you need.

[razrtalon]

Loving me some ice! So sick of all the haters/doubters Matt Ryan has led us to the playoffs and gotten win after win after win. . . I could get use to the W's. Lets think about this for a second, the only teams he has lost to in the playoffs have beat everyone else and gone on to win the superbowl other than the cards who lost only to the Steelers on a game ending catch. . . . Nobody. atlanta. Has loss to with him at the helm have gone to or won the superbowl!.

[razrtalon]

Loving me some ice! So sick of all the haters/doubters Matt Ryan has led us to the playoffs and gotten win after win after win. . . I could get use to the W's. Lets think about this for a second, the only teams he has lost to in the playoffs have beat everyone else and gone on to win the superbowl other than the cards who lost only to the Steelers on a game ending catch. . . . Nobody. atlanta. Has loss to with him at the helm have * not * gone to or won the superbowl

[Atl/0]

Loving me some ice! So sick of all the haters/doubters Matt Ryan has led us to the playoffs and gotten win after win after win. . . I could get use to the W's. Lets think about this for a second, the only teams he has lost to in the playoffs have beat everyone else and gone on to win the superbowl other than the cards who lost only to the Steelers on a game ending catch. . . . Nobody. atlanta. Has loss to with him at the helm have gone to or won the superbowl!.

You know why those teams went on to win the Superbowl? It's because we didn't beat them.

Outside maybe Carolina in 2008 we probably had the weakest teams in those playoff years. The teams that went on to the Bowl had a lot more trouble against other teams except ours. I can't take pride in being thought of as a springboard to an automatic Super Bowl appearance.

[RHEC]

I watched a show on NFL the other night. It detailed the breakthrough Super Bowl run the Colt's made when they beat the Bears for the 2006 championship. Somehow I'd forgotten all the years of 1 and done disappointment Manning and the Colts suffered prior to getting that victory. They were pretty much a joke in the playoffs until then. In the first 2 years of Peyton's career they didn't see the playoffs. They didn't see a playoff win of any type till Manning's 5th year in the league.

_{Feb. 4, 2007 Super Bowl XLI Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17}

_{Jan. 13, 2007 AFC Divisional Indianapolis 15, Baltimore 6}

_{Jan. 6, 2007 AFC Wild Card Indianapolis 23, Kansas City 8}

_{Jan. 15, 2006 AFC Divisional Pittsburgh 21, Indianapolis 18}

_{Jan. 16, 2005 AFC Divisional New England 20, Indianapolis 3}

_{Jan. 9, 2005 AFC Wild Card Indianapolis 49, Denver 24}

_{Jan. 18, 2004 AFC Championship New England 24, Indianapolis 14}

_{Jan. 11, 2004 AFC Divisional Colts 38, Chiefs 31}

_{Jan. 4, 2004 AFC Wild Card Colts 41, Broncos 10}

_{Jan. 4, 2003 AFC Wild Card Jets 41, Colts 0}

_{Dec. 30, 2000 AFC Wild Card Miami 23, Indianapolis 17 (OT)}

_{Jan. 16, 2000 AFC Divisional Tennessee 19, Indianapolis 16}

I'm not saying Matt Ryan is the next Payton Manning but then again, if some of the more vocal doubters were Colt's fans sitting on Peyton Manning back in the year 2000 wouldn't you be jumping to conclusions as well.

I say give Matt a great defense and some decent blocking and let's see where this thing goes.

People doesn't give a sh!t, they want to hate on Ryan regardless.

[Falconsfan567]

You know why those teams went on to win the Superbowl? It's because we didn't beat them.

Outside maybe Carolina in 2008 we probably had the weakest teams in those playoff years. The teams that went on to the Bowl had a lot more trouble against other teams except ours. I can't take pride in being thought of as a springboard to an automatic Super Bowl appearance.

So I guess the Packers suck for losing at home to the Giants?

[Atl/0]

So I guess the Packers suck for losing at home to the Giants?

Nope they didn't embarrass themselves like we did.

[Falconsfan567]

Nope they didn't embarrass themselves like we did.

Really? They didn't come close to winning that game. I bet they didn't embarrass themselves when they lost to the Chiefs huh? Remember that?

[OilFuturesTrader19]

u can keep Eli, i dont care how good he is we dont need peyton's down syndrome lil brother

LOL!!

Ya, I always think of this cartoon when I see Eli..

[Atl/0]

Really? They didn't come close to winning that game. I bet they didn't embarrass themselves when they lost to the Chiefs huh? Remember that?

The loss to the Chiefs is no different than our loss to the Bucs. Stuff like that happens every now and then. Plus the Packers were a lot closer to winning that game unlike us getting 2 points. I don't think you want to take that argument outside of this messageboard or you will get laughed at.

[Falconsfan567]

The loss to the Chiefs is no different than our loss to the Bucs. Stuff like that happens every now and then. Plus the Packers were a lot closer to winning that game unlike us getting 2 points. I don't think you want to take that argument outside of this messageboard or you will get laughed at.

You're the one saying that there is no justification for the Falcons losing to 3 teams that nearly won the Super Bowl. Last time I checked that means nobody else beat those teams either.

It doesn't make a lick of difference if you lose by 50 or by 1. They count just the same. Just the same way winning by 50 counts the same as winning by 1. It doesn't matter. A win is a win and a loss is a loss.

So saying that the Falcons should be embarrassed for losing to the Giants is a joke because they Packers, 49ers and Patriots also lost to the Giants.

[razrtalon]

You know why those teams went on to win the Superbowl? It's because we didn't beat them.

Outside maybe Carolina in 2008 we probably had the weakest teams in those playoff years. The teams that went on to the Bowl had a lot more trouble against other teams except ours. I can't take pride in being thought of as a springboard to an automatic Super Bowl appearance.

Good point I dont want to take pride in losing either but Matt Ryan doesn't need to win a sb immediately for me to believe. He has done alot and the team is building. Give a few more years before we throw him under the bus. . . When he had a scare last year and got taken out of the game I was thinking the season was over. . . Until he came back in the game. Redman and Jon Parker are far from ryan. Believe. . . . . . Playoff wins are coming. Go Falcons!

[Atl/0]

You're the one saying that there is no justification for the Falcons losing to 3 teams that nearly won the Super Bowl. Last time I checked that means nobody else beat those teams either.

It doesn't make a lick of difference if you lose by 50 or by 1. They count just the same. Just the same way winning by 50 counts the same as winning by 1. It doesn't matter. A win is a win and a loss is a loss.

So saying that the Falcons should be embarrassed for losing to the Giants is a joke because they Packers, 49ers and Patriots also lost to the Giants.

They should be when we were the only ones that did not put up a fight. It's been that way 3 times already.

[JBourneMurkedU]

Why do some people think this thread is claiming Ryan is the next Peyton? That isn't even close to the purpose of the OP. The purpose is to point out that even one of the best QB's of all time didn't get things right, right away in the playoffs. He's saying that 1 year, 1 playoff run can change people's entire opinion about a QB. Manning was labeled as a guy who couldn't get it done in the playoffs before he won a Super Bowl. Ryan is starting to earn that same label. OP is not saying Ryan is the next Peyton!!!

Some of you really need to work on your reading comprehension.

[Swift&Change]

Barry Sanders was also terrible in playoffs so I guess if Turner has 1 great post season he is on the same level as Barry Sanders ..lol Peyton Manning has been a choke artist in playoffs but that doesnt take away how great of a QB he truly was .. His 4 mvps also proves that . I dont equate Ryan being a complete failure in playoffs as same as Manning ...Manning was eventually going to breakthrough I cant say that for Ryan for sure ..

Edited February 15, 2012 by Swift&Change

[Sun Tzu 7]

Wow.

I had no idea how similar Manning's and Ryan's 3rd playoff game was. Neither scored an offensive TD and Manning wasn't playing Rex Ryan's Jets. That was the Herm Edwards Jets with Curtis Martin and Chad Pennington.

Another thing I would like to point out is that the Colts also didn't win a playoff game until they got a new head coach.

For the record I like Mike Smith but the way the team has played tight/timid and completely un-prepared in big games, (other than the Thursday night game against the Ravens), has been very concerning.

Hopefully 2 new coordinators will change this but if it's more of the same...

[jacobi]

Wow.

I had no idea how similar Manning's and Ryan's 3rd playoff game was. Neither scored an offensive TD and Manning wasn't playing Rex Ryan's Jets. That was the Herm Edwards Jets with Curtis Martin and Chad Pennington.

Another thing I would like to point out is that the Colts also didn't win a playoff game until they got a new head coach.

For the record I like Mike Smith but the way the team has played tight/timid and completely un-prepared in big games, (other than the Thursday night game against the Ravens), has been very concerning.

Hopefully 2 new coordinators will change this but if it's more of the same...

Hopefully its not.................

[Atl/0]

Why do some people think this thread is claiming Ryan is the next Peyton? That isn't even close to the purpose of the OP. The purpose is to point out that even one of the best QB's of all time didn't get things right, right away in the playoffs. He's saying that 1 year, 1 playoff run can change people's entire opinion about a QB. Manning was labeled as a guy who couldn't get it done in the playoffs before he won a Super Bowl. Ryan is starting to earn that same label. OP is not saying Ryan is the next Peyton!!!

Some of you really need to work on your reading comprehension.

Before this thread some were using Peyton Mannings choke artist act as an excuse for what's going on with Ryan. They are not the same player. The bolded is fixed to rightly go with what was said about Manning.

Manning was labeled as one of the greatest quarterbacks that couldn't get it done in the playoffs before he won a Super Bowl.

Ryan is labeled as a guy who couldn't get it done in the playoffs before he won a Super Bowl.

Now I changed what you said about Manning to rightly point out what was said and then replaced his name with Ryan's because it fit's him alot more. Point being is that Ryan is not gaining the same lable as Manning unless your trying to say that Ryan's one of the greatest.