Td Needs To Quit Playing Around And Pay Super Mario

[FalconsManhood]

The Falcons need to avoid resigning some of thier average players and bring in a guy like Mario Williams. It is not often that you get a shot at arguabley the best DE in the league in FA in the prime of his career.

Yes we would break the bank on Mario, but my thought process is that when you draft a player (Jammaal Anderson) you want him to turn into the best DE in the league don't you?

If that's the case why not sign the guy who is only 26, replaces our over-rated DE who cannot get sacks when it really counts, is a specialist at this point.

If we had drafted Mario instead of Jammal Anderson we wouldn't think twice about this resign, but the difference in this move is your getting a player in his prime who is one of the best in the league, could be the next Reggie White type signing.

Pay the man, and if needed let Grimes, Lofton and Abe go. These 3 couldn't get us a playoff win, time to try something different and the lines is where you want your elite talent as they can impact every aspect of the game. (Run and Pass). a dominant DE is hard to find in the draft, but you can always find a MLB and CB. Just look at some of the recent drafts at MLB and CB who were had in the 2nd rnd just like Lofton, Grimes was undrafted.

Not to mention Dent, Chris Owens, Dominique Franks waiting in the wings. That is 2 3rd rounders and a 5th rounder just riding the bench. If TD is so great as everyone else claims then we should already be set with replacements for these players.

Opinions?

Edited February 14, 2012 by FalconsManhood

[Jah]

Opinions?

Sure, go see a shrink

[vel]

Mario Williams couldn't get the Texans a playoff win neither...

[kane#7]

If I had a choice of Mario or Mathis & Soiali I would take the former....

We need a big dominant DT.

[Trouble]

How about Luigi?

[FalconsManhood]

ignorance is bliss I guess.

[FalconsManhood]

Sure, go see a shrink

Thank you Mr.Smiley.....

[isproab]

The Falcons need to avoid resigning some of thier average players and bring in a guy like Mario Williams. It is not often that you get a shot at arguabley the best DE in the league in FA in the prime of his career.

Yes we would break the bank on Mario, but my thought process is that when you draft a player (Jammaal Anderson) you want him to turn into the best DE in the league don't you?

If that's the case why not sign the guy who is only 26, replaces our over-rated DE who cannot get sacks when it really counts, is a specialist at this point.

If we had drafted Mario instead of Jammal Anderson we wouldn't think twice about this resign, but the difference in this move is your getting a player in his prime who is one of the best in the league, could be the next Reggie White type signing.

Pay the man, and if needed let Grimes, Lofton and Abe go. These 3 couldn't get us a playoff win, time to try something different and the lines is where you want your elite talent as they can impact every aspect of the game. (Run and Pass). a dominant DE is hard to find in the draft, but you can always find a MLB and CB. Just look at some of the recent drafts at MLB and CB who were had in the 2nd rnd just like Lofton, Grimes was undrafted.

Not to mention Dent, Chris Owens, Dominique Franks waiting in the wings. That is 2 3rd rounders and a 5th rounder just riding the bench. If TD is so great as everyone else claims then we should already be set with replacements for these players.

Opinions?

I agree with the logic of letting the average players go and going after a guy like Mario. I do believe that the Texans will not just stand by and not use the franchise tag. I know they are over the cap but they too see his value.

[The Chunk]

Sure, go see a shrink

Hahahahahahaha

[FalconsManhood]

I agree with the logic of letting the average players go and going after a guy like Mario. I do believe that the Texans will not just stand by and not use the franchise tag. I know they are over the cap but they too see his value.

I agree that the Texans would be stupid to let him go for free, but what other option do they have? lf they re-sign him this wall be pointless, but I'm saying if the Falcons have a shot of getting a guy like Williams (Peppers a few years back) then you go get him. We see what happens when you wait, then have to settle for a ray edwards who is making 5-6 mill a year to stop the run. Mario will get paid 12-15 but at least he can make big time plays and dominate the LOS. You gotta pay this man.

[atlGM]

Defintely think goin to get mario would be the best move this offseason. Although I would keep grimes if feasible. There are some good guys out there that play on the oline as well though. I think alot of our offseason moves will be determined on what nolan thinks about the guys that we have already on the defensive side of the ball.

[Trouble]

ignorance is bliss I guess.

Pipe dreams. So much more goes into this type of signing than just a fan wanting the best FA`s out there.

How does the rest of the team fill when you shopped out of town and was willing to pay top of the line dollars to get a outside player to come in? Can we say "cha ching"... everyone will want to get paid top dollar.

Who is to say he will still be a beast after he gets paid? Fat Albert comes to mind. Locker room Cancer comes to mind.

Max out payroll on this 1 player and lose your top FA`s starters (hey they all wanna get paid to, and we wont have the cash to do it).

Every rookie`s agent will see that and wanna get in on that spending spree.

What if he gets hurt? then what?

Can he play OLINE as well?

Oh yeah we have almost 20 free agents.... thats alot of change

New coaches as well with a new D

The contract will probably be a Dunta deal that locks us up and we have no way to get rid of him even if he does flop.

Every team with a DE need will be looking at him and some teams have a lot more cash and tend to spend it every year.

etc etc etc etc.... this isnt Madden. This isnt as simple as just hey look we need a DE and no 1 else does and we can get him for nothing.

Edited February 14, 2012 by danight

[FalconsManhood]

[Jah]

ignorance is bliss I guess.

Lucky you

[FalconsManhood]

Pipe dreams. So much more goes into this type of signing than just a fan wanting the best FA`s out there.

How does the rest of the team fill when you shopped out of town and was willing to pay top of the line dollars to get a outside player to come in? Can we say "cha ching... everyone will want to get paid top dollar"

Who is to say he will still be a beast after he gets paid? Fat Albert comes to mind. Locker room Cancer comes to mind.

Max out payroll on this 1 player and lose your top FA`s starters (hey they all wanna get paid to, and we wont have the cash to do it).

Every rookie`s agent will see that and wanna get in on that spending spree.

What is he gets hurt? then what?

Can he play OLINE as well?

Oh yeah we have almost 20 free agents.... thats alot of change

New coaches as well with a new D

The contract will probably be a Dunta deal that locks us up and we have no way to get rid of him even if he does flop.

Every team with a DE need will be looking at him and some teams have a lot more cash and tend to spend it every year.

etc etc etc etc.... this isnt Madden. This isnt as simple as just hey look we need a DE and no 1 else does and we can get him for nothing.

so what? we keep signing average FA's and expect then to play like Mario Williams and the other elite players of this league?

Look around my friend, every elite team has big time players who are getting paid big money, the difference is that you can spend it on guys like Dunta and Ray Edwards when you are desperate. OR you can sign the dominate LE in the league in his prime and pay alot but get your money's worth.

I am not the type of Fan who wants to sign every FA, I would have preferred we build through the draft.

Thank TD for the Dunta Robinson and Ray Edwards contracts, and for trading all of our picks away.

But to me if somehow Mario becomes available this is a once in decade shot at picking up a DE in his prime who is one of the best in the league. You usually only get these guys when they are 30+.

Minnesota traded for Jared Allen and then paid him, teams know that value of a dominant DE in this league.

[Trouble]

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I got a simple solution. If Nolan says let the D fa`s walk to get this guy...cool

But if Nolan says nope and says i like what we got and get the oline fixed

Im good with it to. But your using hindsight to say we over paid for these type of players. When fat albert was a FA people here where begging for him the same way and how he could take us to the promise land and how did that work out?

When we first got Abe what happened? He got hurt and everyone was saying "cut him". Now look where we are.

But the deals to get a #1 ranked FA is usually crippling to a team and 1 they cant get out of unless they take a major SC hit. All it takes is 1 injury and we could be in worse shape because we let our most talented players walk chasing this deal.

Worse yet we may let our talent walk and we may not be able to seal the deal!

[kiwifalcon]

Pipe dreams. So much more goes into this type of signing than just a fan wanting the best FA`s out there.

How does the rest of the team fill when you shopped out of town and was willing to pay top of the line dollars to get a outside player to come in? Can we say "cha ching"... everyone will want to get paid top dollar.

Who is to say he will still be a beast after he gets paid? Fat Albert comes to mind. Locker room Cancer comes to mind.

Max out payroll on this 1 player and lose your top FA`s starters (hey they all wanna get paid to, and we wont have the cash to do it).

Every rookie`s agent will see that and wanna get in on that spending spree.

What if he gets hurt? then what?

Can he play OLINE as well?

Oh yeah we have almost 20 free agents.... thats alot of change

New coaches as well with a new D

The contract will probably be a Dunta deal that locks us up and we have no way to get rid of him even if he does flop.

Every team with a DE need will be looking at him and some teams have a lot more cash and tend to spend it every year.

etc etc etc etc.... this isnt Madden. This isnt as simple as just hey look we need a DE and no 1 else does and we can get him for nothing.

For starters its looking more and more likely we will have upto 35mill in cap room to make this move so it is'nt a madden scenario at all.We don't have a 1st rounder to pay we have limited options in the draft so this is a good yearto have a good crack at FA and land us a difference maker.

As for holes there are guys we can get at LT that are options that could fit in with the MW signing Gaither McNeill and Bell 3 LT's that could be had for not alot of $$$$.

Who do you see as a replacement for Abe Mathis is an option but what we are doing is a short term fix going down this route I agree with the OP here pay MW and you got the best Pass Rushing run stopping 43 DE in the game for the next 7 years.

We need difference makers at every level of the defense who do you see as that guy upfront I have a look along the D-line and in my heart I no we have'nt got the talent to go deep in the play-offs with what we have.LBers we have Spoon Secondary we have Moore Upfront who do we have as a gamechanger that you see because I don't see one.

As for the FA's to resign its obvious alot aren't coming back Abe Grimes possibly Lofton Snelling Weems HD Baker Ovie so all is not lost.

I'm telling you now if the D-line isn't sgnificantly upgraded this FA period I think we are in deep dodo and if you don't believe me just cue up the tape the Aints and Giants game we got sh*t kicked out of us upfront.

Edited February 14, 2012 by kiwifalcon

[Aftermath]

signing a big name fee agent is absolutely the last thing that we need to do,

[kiwifalcon]

I'm with you on this MW is a once in a decade type player if we have a shot I move Heaven and Earth to add him to our roster.Also Mario doesn't have the issue's Haynesworth has and he's a better player also and actually is worth the money.I watched his highlights package man against the Titan he manhandled there G or LT aat the line and then stuffed the run god I said to myself I like this guy alot.

[Trouble]

I'm telling you now if the D-line isn't sgnificantly upgraded this FA period I think we are in deep dodo and if you don't believe me just cue up the tape the Aints and Giants game we got sh*t kicked out of us upfront.

Im not saying this isnt a good move if we knew for a fact we could get him at a set price. But we dont and there is a ton of things that go into these kinda deal. This is why players like Grimes will walk for money. Because we spent to much on Dunta. So next years and the year after that FA saw us over pay and spend the farm on 1 FA and guess what their agents will want?

Yes it would sell some jerseys. But Mario probably wont sign until late in free agency meaning we let people walk trying to get him. Then all it takes is the jaggs or bucs to swoop in with more cash and grab him up. Then we are in the crapper with out Abe, loften, grimes etc etc and no answer.

[Trouble]

Also Mario doesn't have the issue's Haynesworth

Vick was the face of the franchise and the highest paid player in the NFL and it crippled us while he sat in jail. Once they get that deal you just don't know, but 1 thing is for sure. That deal has a price the entire team will pay for years to come and there is a chance that deal may not happen and he doesn't want to even come here. But the effects of waiting for it will still be felt.

You cant buy a super bowl! ask the Eagles or Skins.

[kiwifalcon]

Im not saying this isnt a good move if we knew for a fact we could get him at a set price. But we dont and there is a ton of things that go into these kinda deal. This is why players like Grimes will walk for money. Because we spent to much on Dunta. So next years and the year after that FA saw us over pay and spend the farm on 1 FA and guess what their agents will want?

Yes it would sell some jerseys. But Mario probably wont sign until late in free agency meaning we let people walk trying to get him. Then all it takes is the jaggs or bucs to swoop in with more cash and grab him up. Then we are in the crapper with out Abe, loften, grimes etc etc and no answer.

C'mon Bro you can do better than the Jags and Bucs.

Why would he go there the dude has alreaDY SIGNED 1 MAX DEAL I'M THINKING HE'LL WANT TO GO TO A CONTENDER.I don't see either team going after MW especially the Bucs the took 2 DE's in the draft last year.

[kiwifalcon]

Vick was the face of the franchise and the highest paid player in the NFL and it crippled us while he sat in jail. Once they get that deal you just don't know, but 1 thing is for sure. That deal has a price the entire team will pay for years to come and there is a chance that deal may not happen and he doesn't want to even come here. But the effects of waiting for it will still be felt.

You cant buy a super bowl! ask the Eagles or Skins.

We are'nt buying a SB we are adding the best DE going foward to our team to help us along the way he's apiece thats all.A key piece we really need.

[putnam6]

#1 Mario is a beast but you pick up a guy like this when you are ready for Super Bowl run. ..

#2 Falcons arent ready for a Super Bowl run, too many holes that will remain if they bust the bank on Mario.

#3 If they were closer Id be more behind it but wouldn't mind a Mathis at DE and working on OL. DE are crucial but Birds need more.

4# There are going to be a load teams after him, Go full bore for Mario and miss, might miss out on other FA's

5#That said it would be cool to see him in Red and Black and in Nolan's defense.

6# Not to mention there are few players on this team that I am totally sold on,

Lofton happens to be one of them if they can keep him and Mario cool but as somebody else said there are a lot of solid players out there that enable you to upgrade other areas too

[Trouble]

C'mon Bro you can do better than the Jags and Bucs.

Why would he go there the dude has alreaDY SIGNED 1 MAX DEAL I'M THINKING HE'LL WANT TO GO TO A CONTENDER.I don't see either team going after MW especially the Bucs the took 2 DE's in the draft last year.

The Bucs and jags have a ton of cash. Thats why i say them and they both have new coaching staffs and this is the once a decade player. That doesn't even mention teams like the skins who will overpay for anybody they can. Just like the Eagles stock piling CB`s last season. Maybe trade them for picks or hold onto them until you can shop them.

Its just examples. The Eagles shocked everyone with their trade and money is money and if Money is Mario`s goal, then who knows where he may land.

You may throw away starters, break chemistry and actually not even get him just holding out for a chance to get him. RM might pull off a deal like this. But i don't think TD will.

Edited February 14, 2012 by danight