lju713 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Saints-Nicks,Evans,Colston,Meacheam,Graham,Ellis,Harper,Jenkins,Porter,Robinson,Ingram???, and a SB.Panthers-Newton,Stewart,Otah,Kahil,Hardy,Beason,Johnson,Godfrey,Martin,James Anderson,Falcons-Ryan,Lofton,HD,Spoon,Walker,DeCoud,Julio,Moore,BiermannThe players I listed are starters or players who I fill could make any other NFL roster, Dimitroff please draft more players and not chior boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 Feel free to add other players I missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 When you hit on the quarterback it affords you opportunities to have some misses and still be relevant. Also every one of these teams gave up a first round pick the next year to get a player they coveted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 You are right about this. Outside of a few solid picks most of Dimitroff's picks have been busts. I mean Chevis Jackson? Really. After 2 years we cut him, a 3rd round pick? And the list goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Why do you do a complete analysis to have some data to back up what your are saying.Personnaly I do not know ---- but just listing some players does not do it for me.Do thisyear pick Saints Carolina Atlanta winner09 1 player player player (Saints)all the way for every pick 08 09 10 11 then tally it all up and see who is really the best drafterBUT still11 Carolina got Newton round 1 because they Needed a QB, Atl got Jones because they Needed a #2 WRwho really won??? they got a very good QB Atl got a very good #2 WR Edited February 13, 2012 by delaigle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Might not be the most popular opinion, but despite a promising start, Dimitroff has been off more than on lately, with respect to draft picks and free agent acquitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Jerry, Hawley, Johnson. We really needed to hit on those. Although I'm still hopeful for Hawley and Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Carolina drafts in the top 5 -10 usually they ate bound to get more studs when drafting.that early. Saints u named.many of.them aren't all that great. Out of.all their receivers Colston is the only good.one that could.b a #1/2 in other teams the others are #4s Brees makes them better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Jerry, Hawley, Johnson. We really needed to hit on those. Although I'm still hopeful for Hawley and Johnson....add Edwards.These misses turn the JJ deal from a shrewd move to a bad gamble...got to do better. Edited February 13, 2012 by Mid-Nite-Toker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Draft is like going to Vegas. You never know going in if your gonna win or lose. Until after you have left. Some positions take years to develop like DE usually. Some are people that could be starters but have skilled starters in front of them.But you never know what the fame and money will do to a kid and how they will adjust to the NFL. Saints are on a team that has been basically unstoppable and i think that attitude carries over to the young players. Coaching staff i think has a lot to do with that in the developing of those young players and finding ways to use them.We have had some solid picks as well though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ICEMAN Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 I think we have more wins than any of those teams sense 07. TD must be doing somthing right he has rebuilt this team pretty much from the ground up you have to throw in Turner and even Tony Gonzalez(2nd Rounder) it not always about drafting take Brent Grimes or Victor Cruz plus we don't play our young player enough take Akeem Dent,Lawrence Sidbury,Jacquizz Rodgers and the list goes on I do think that we don't develop as well as the other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Dimitroff & Co. draft for need, and not necessarily the best players on the board. They are also obsessed with drafting "high-character" guys, which is fine to a point but they go overboard with that too much. We have a bunch of Nice Guys for a football team. Kind of like the Hawks - just a lot of nice guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaderMan Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 TD must get better, and no more ill advised trades! I thought he was supposed to bring the "Patriot Way" here.....Pats normally trade to acquire more picks, not give up the future for a luxury player(JJ) vs a need! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) "The Patriot Way" is having Tom Brady as your QB, and Bill Belichik as your coach. Beyond those 2 guys the Patriots are a mediocre team at best. Edited February 13, 2012 by The Falcon Jedi Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 The problem with this board is the lack of value placed on team players. According to the OP, TD may not be a better drafter, but saying Carolina is better at drafting than the Falcons because of the name players is a bad argument. The Falcons have more wins in that span and the Panthers finally became relevant with Cam's arrival. They had all those "pieces" but still went 6-10. If you're going to put Hardy, you should include Sidbury and Peters as well. Sidbury has 2 less sacks than Hardy and plays significantly less snaps.The Saints have a HOFer for a QB that walked them to a SB. I do agree they have built a better team than us, but that team was pretty well built back in 06, when they went to the NFCCG. One thing I constantly say around here: It's a lot easier to maintain a good team than it is to build a good team. Ask the Steelers and Browns. The Saints have simply maintained the team they have had since 06.TD's drafts have built this team from trash in '07 to a perennial contender. It's funny how some of you overlook that. We can definitely go back to pre-2008. You'd be begging for TD and Ryan back. Yes, TD has missed, everybody does. But he definitely has built a great foundation for sustained success for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 McKay players helped rebuild this team as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Since 08 the Panthers have been the bestWe're 2nd best Tampa is 3rd New Orleans 4th.Seriously new Orleans had a decent draft in 2007 but has been bad in every one since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I think we have more wins than any of those teams sense 07. TD must be doing somthing right he has rebuilt this team pretty much from the ground up you have to throw in Turner and even Tony Gonzalez(2nd Rounder) it not always about drafting take Brent Grimes or Victor Cruz plus we don't play our young player enough take Akeem Dent,Lawrence Sidbury,Jacquizz Rodgers and the list goes on I do think that we don't develop as well as the other teams.Hopefully the Falcons don't share your opinion about past success. The NFL is about what have you done for me lately? TD, after a promising start, has fallen off in his talent evalution and, if, I read AB's mood correctly during the end of the year presser correctly, Dimitroff has to produce this year or seek employment elsewhere. Edited February 13, 2012 by vabchbirdlover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Drafting better and putting trust in players to take over certain positions are 2 different things. You never know what you get in the draft unless you give the men the keys. With our staff, you screw up once or twice and you get pulled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Some of yall have to be products of the microwave generation. No patience. TD has built a 10 win a year team but if he doesn't find some gems this year, he should be fired? Lol that is hilarious. I guess put McKay back in his spot.Most of TD's criticism is hindsight. "Why did TD take _____ when _____ was on the board?! Why would you draft a bust?!" The only blatantly criticized pick when it happened I can remember is "What the f*ck is a Corey Peters?" and he definitely turned out better than we thought. So I guess TD's talent evaluation skills really are falling off since he had such a lay up in 08 with Ryan.TD has been a really good GM since he has been here. His talent hasn't been utilized the best, but he definitely has the toolshed stocked way better than any time prior to 08. Some coaches have been replaced and will be pushed to develop the talent TD is drafting. We could have drafted Clay Matthews in 09 instead of Jerry, but do you really think he turns out that way here? Not at all. BVG would have made him either a 4-3 DE or a 4-3 OLB, not a hybrid Von Miller/Brian Orakpo type of player. But because he is a stud in GB, some of you automatically assume he does the same here in a different system. But when TD assumes the same thing (signing Edwards/DRob) he is an idiot because he should've known better, although he got Edwards for real cheap and plenty of other teams wanted DRob. The only other option was Leigh Bodden and he was cut during the 2010 season by the team that he was on in the first place.Some of you have some legit reasoning sometimes, but a lot of you just gripe for the heIl of it. Nothing more. Go back and watch some tapes from some of those losing seasons we use to have. I'll pass on that. You guys beg for a consistent winner, finally get one, and now it's not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Saints-Nicks,Evans,Colston,Meacheam,Graham,Ellis,Harper,Jenkins,Porter,Robinson,Ingram???, and a SB.Panthers-Newton,Stewart,Otah,Kahil,Hardy,Beason,Johnson,Godfrey,Martin,James Anderson,Falcons-Ryan,Lofton,HD,Spoon,Walker,DeCoud,Julio,Moore,BiermannThe players I listed are starters or players who I fill could make any other NFL roster, Dimitroff please draft more players and not chior boys.Panther's are eliminated from consideration with the Jimmy Clausen pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lju713 Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 I think we have more wins than any of those teams sense 07. TD must be doing somthing right he has rebuilt this team pretty much from the ground up you have to throw in Turner and even Tony Gonzalez(2nd Rounder) it not always about drafting take Brent Grimes or Victor Cruz plus we don't play our young player enough take Akeem Dent,Lawrence Sidbury,Jacquizz Rodgers and the list goes on I do think that we don't develop as well as the other teams.u are right but we won with Mora and Petrino picks too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Anyone remember our wr first rounders. Jenks and White and and lets not forget the FA savoir Worthless Price we overpaid. Only to find out our best WR was Brian Finneran. It took a few years of being labeled a "bust" and "cut him now" before White broke out and stepped up his game. I still like Jenks and i think we ruined him making blocking his #1 job.Cant forget TD also hasnt drafted any players to be the face of the franchise that ended up in prison. Or other VA players that either had fake PrimeTime Neon Deon dreams or where smoking pot on the interstate.The highest paid team in the NFL and couldn't put back to back winning seasons together.But it was a fun time to be a fan none the less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freefall Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 "The Patriot Way" is having Tom Brady as your QB, and Bill Belichik as your coach. Beyond those 2 guys the Patriots are a mediocre team at best.Could not agree with you more on this. Patriots should never be the model for how to draft because they missed on so many of their picks it's not even funny. I mean they have WR and undrafted rookie(who they didn't initially picked up) playing DB. You don't do that when you have talents or depth. As for the topic, people also need to keep in mind that drafting order also affect how well you do. The chances of having good drafts are much better when you are drafting in the top 10 as oppose to drafting at the bottom 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Could not agree with you more on this. Patriots should never be the model for how to draft because they missed on so many of their picks it's not even funny. I mean they have WR and undrafted rookie(who they didn't initially picked up) playing DB. You don't do that when you have talents or depth.As for the topic, people also need to keep in mind that drafting order also affect how well you do. The chances of having good drafts are much better when you are drafting in the top 10 as oppose to drafting at the bottom 20.Talented depth is not valued around here. It's all about superstars. This is a very deep team. To have Svitek to be able to replace Baker, Hawley to replace McClure and even Reynolds, Franks/Owens for Hayden/Grimes, Adkins for Nicholas/Peterson. If TD missed on THOSE guys, we would have been looking at a sub-.500 season, not a playoff season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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