The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 But he is the Falcon QB, so I will support him. I just dont have much faith in him now.After watching another Playoffs and SB pass on by, I see what separates those Guys from our Guy. Those Guys Sling it, they play for the Win. Our Guy plays not to Lose. Its the mentality that separates guys like Joey Harrington from guys like Eli Manning, or Aaron Rodgers. No Fear.Ryan's rookie season, he played like an Elite QB. He stepped up in the pocket, under duress, and fired the ball downfield with authority. Ever since then Ryan has been throwing passes with more and more Caution. Being Careful with his throws. Being too careful IMO.I know the blocking has been lackluster, and I know he has taken some beating, but Elite QBs overcome that. They step up and Make Plays. They dont play scared when a blitz comes, or a 4 man rush jumps thru the gaps. They find a way to get the ball out with no fear. Ryan looks like he has been playing scared lately, apprehensive. And that wont cut it in the NFL.You play QB in the NFL you better play balls to the wall. Stop with all the Check-Downs - and Fire the Ball downfield on the 1st or 2nd read and let the WRs do their job and make the play.Ryan could be great. Eli and Brees and Rodgers and Brady all have 1 thing that no other QB has - Fearlessness. Ryan is Tough - Ive seen his body get twisted up like nobody else and come back. But Ryan is not Fearless. And to get to the SB he needs to get back to his Rookie Fearless season and just Sling the dam ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 You're not wrong, but how much of that is on Ryan and how much of that is on the coaching staff?When has this staff ever shown a balls to the wall mentality? Mularkey himself admitted that he took what defenses gave him, rather than challenging them by trying to take what he wanted, and admitted he thought we were overmatched before the giants game. BVG's soft zone bend but donlt break D wass no better. Going for the occassional risky 4th down isn't a sign of agression, particualrly when it's your ultra conservative approach that put you in those 4th downs in the first place.You can't expect a QB to take risks and play not to lose, when the coaching staff's entire mentality is that of being ultra conservative to avoid any mistakes, and playing not to lose. Our whole team plays uptight, becasue they are more concenring with not making mistakes, rather than going out playing with freedom and enjoyment, and taking the game to the opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 You're not wrong, but how much of that is on Ryan and how much of that is on the coaching staff?When has this staff ever shown a balls to the wall mentality? Mularkey himself admitted that he took what defenses gave him, rather than challenging them by trying to take what he wanted, and admitted he thought we were overmatched before the giants game. BVG's soft zone bend but donlt break D wass no better.Going for the occassional risky 4th down isn't a sign of agression, particualrly when it's your ultra conservative approach that put you in those 4th downs in the first place.You can't expect a QB to take risks and play not to lose, when the coaching staff's entire mentality is that of being ultra conservative to avoid any mistakes, and playing not to lose. Our whole team plays uptight, becasue they are more concenring with not making mistakes, rather than going out playing with freedom and enjoyment, and taking the game to the opponent.Im not saying Im Right or Wrong. There are a lot of factors involved here, including Mularkey, but my overall opinion is based on the overall whole of what Ive watched and witnessed the past 4 years. I have just seen a very different Ryan play last year than what I saw when we drafted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caver50 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'am inclined to agree with you. He has lost that killer instinct that he once had in his first season. I believe thats a product of limited time to pass and the amount hits he has taken, but know this, any QB thats under constant pressure as Matt is, will be less successful (more time equals more success) and it builds confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 I am hoping Dirk Koetter can bring back the Matt Ryan that we drafted. I dont like this "company man/do only what is required" type QB Ive been seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 So, you are not a fan because of what other QBs have done? That makes you more of a fan of theirs. Come on Jedi, you can do much better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 So, you are not a fan because of what other QBs have done? That makes you more of a fan of theirs. Come on Jedi, you can do much better than that.Im not a Ryan Fan of the Ryan Lately. I want the Rookie Ryan back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_D Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Ryan was good in his first season. The next 3 he slowly regressed. I have no explanation. I hope the Falcon's staff figure it out. If not, we face a fifth season of disappointment. Before some of you jump on me and say it's not all his fault, you can stop, I realize what went wrong with the other players. The bottom line is that the team QB traditionally is the team leader, team morale booster, someone the players and fans look to for the fire and brim during the battle. Ryan didn't do this. He still acts like one of the crowd as opposed to being the key figure. Maybe he doesn't know how, maybe he realizes his own inadequacies and plays low key. He was a great QB in college, but some great college QB's don't have what it takes to be an elite NFL QB. Matt has time yet to snug up his laces and become what everyone is expecting from him. Let's hope he sheds the shell he is hiding under and springs out next season like the man and leader he is capable of being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Its Year 5 for Matty Ice.I want to see Elite. I want to see Matty Ice earn his nickname. But he has done the opposite. He has fallen apart in every Playoff Game since Arizona.I want to see Matt Ryan score more than ZERO points against the Giants. I want to see Matt Ryan not throw stupid Pick 6's against the Packers before Halftime, and crumble.I want to see what we are paying Matt Ryan all this money for! Is that too much to ask? Can he lead an Offense to a Score in the NFL Playoffs??? Can he?That's all I want to see him do. But until he lets go of whatever fear he has to just fire the ball downfield with no abandon, and stops playing Joey Harrington Check-Down, then we wont ever win a Playoff game. Its that simple. I just want the Hype to be Reality.Its been 4 years. When are we going to see it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Im not Hating. But dammmm.... Im getting too old, and im afraid Im going to die before I ever see a Falcon team do anything. How many more years is it going to take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfactor Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Mularky couldn't even spell vertical, Ryan became a product of the system. A porous OL, designing plays to cover their deficiencies and you wonder why we see a different Ryan today. If Ryan played scared then we would have a problem don't confuse this with confidence. He has zero confidence in his OL and rightly so Ryan even with this swiss cheese OL would take a **** of a hit.If we install a vertical offense with protection you will see the old Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeNeedaQB Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) You're not wrong, but how much of that is on Ryan and how much of that is on the coaching staff? Once the ball is snapped, its on Ryan. You do realize he gets paid more than the coaches. Enough with this, one guy gets all the money and another guy gets all the blame. Edited February 11, 2012 by WeNeedaQB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'm more than willing to give Ryan some time with Koetter before I abandon him.Brees wasn't anything special until he hooked up with Payton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson's Finest Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Wait a minute, so if the coverage is good downfield, you expect Ryan to sling the ball downfield?? Ok, fine, he slings it downfield. So what are you going to say when he throws the game away by senselessly throwing the ball downfield just to prove that he can? You have to be smart and a sensible gameplan has to be in place. Mularkey and the coaching staff obviously couldn't do that. We need to be able to open up the offence so that teams don't we're just a run first team. So you can't put this all on Ryan. Let's see what Koetter can do with our offence before we castrate Ryan. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Once the ball is snapped, its on Ryan. You do realize he gets paid more than the coaches. Enough with this, one guy gets all the money and another guy gets all the blame.Ryan's job is to run scheme and execute the gamplan put together and called by the coaches.If the coach doesn't have screens in his offense, doesn't know how to call plays to slow don't and exploit the pass rush, rarely uses routes that generate YAC, doesn't use double moves or back shoulder throws, underutilises his slot WR and best pass catching back and doesn't know how to strecth defenses... is that Ryan's fault?Ryan has his shortcoming for sure, but we've been running an offense scheme that became outdated with the WCO and when Don Coryell became head coach. Mularely schemes well in the running game, but he is pretty clueless in the passing game.Mularkey, meanwhile, said he expects to be a better coach than his brief stint in Buffalo. Mularkey learned a lot from his days with the Bills (2004-05), including that he shouldn't call plays. So the longtime coordinator will give up play-calling duties and hire an offensive guru."Some guys are very good at managing the game and calling plays. I'm not one of them," Mularkey said. "Any one mistake can be the difference in the game. I don't want to be that guy that thinks he can do it all. If I can't do it, I'm not going to do it. Hopefully I'll put it in the right hands. That's what my job is, to get that guy in here, get the right guy in here to do it."My biggest complaint about Ryan is that he didn't challenged the coaches to open up the gameplan and do the above things, but then maybe his input wasn't welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdove0926 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 How did Matt regress? Just broke a franchise record, threw for over 4,000 yards with 29 tds to 12 picks and posted his highest rating of his career with a 92.2.He hasn't won a playoff game yet but I didn't know he lost while everyone else played again the next week.Seriously, the guy isn't elite but don't say stupid things. If Dirk Koetters mentality truly is the way he says it is then really what is their to doubt about Matt? Nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub051082 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yes he does play scared and looses it at times. I will agree. Give him a little more time. Unfortunately we're still 'rebuilding', coaching staff + players. Then again how much authority does he have on the field? Hopefully the new OC will help bring out that killer instinct in Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdove0926 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I mean people talked about how good his 2010 year was and it was a pro bowl year. Then the guy comes out the next year and puts up a better rating and over 300 more yards on 10 less completions.Matt will be just fine, this team is just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yoda when were you ever a Ryan fan? I don't really recall that era.By the way you'd be the first mofo to btch and complain about gunslinging interceptions. GTFOH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson's Finest Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yoda when were you ever a Ryan fan? I don't really recall that era.By the way you'd be the first mofo to btch and complain about gunslinging interceptions. GTFOH^^^ this ^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 How many "rebuilding" years does it take? Im tired of rebuilding, over and over. When will it ever end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yoda when were you ever a Ryan fan? I don't really recall that era.By the way you'd be the first mofo to btch and complain about gunslinging interceptions. GTFOHYou have every right to fire cannons at me, and i expect many more. I stated my opinion - and i am sticking to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 How many "rebuilding" years does it take? Im tired of rebuilding, over and over. When will it ever end?.. yet you seem to be advocating that we re-build around a new QB.Where are we going to get a better QB than Ryan, who is currently a top 10 QB? We don't have the picks to get a top propsect this off-season. Even if we are in position to get a potential franchise QB in the 2013 draft (which we may not if we are picking in the 20's again) we'll be waiting 3-4 year to see if he pans out.Ryan is a top 10 QB who may or may not become elite. It's better to continue to build around him, than it is to go back to square 1 and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 How many "rebuilding" years does it take? Im tired of rebuilding, over and over. When will it ever end?I guess I didn't get the memo that says we are rebuilding....After '07?....yeah, we rebuilt.We aren't rebuilding now....We're doing some serious renovation but we ain't rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 I guess I didn't get the memo that says we are rebuilding....After '07?....yeah, we rebuilt.We aren't rebuilding now....We're doing some serious renovation but we ain't rebuilding.When you hire 2 new Coordinators - you are Rebuilding.When you have 17 Free Agents - you are Rebuilding.Read the Memo more closely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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