Qbs Going Deep

[vel]

I don't know if any of you guys saw this but ESPN was talking about Brady's struggles going deep (21 yards or further). His completion % was 28.8%. The league average is 34.3%.

Tebow: 29%

Brees: 50.7%

Rodgers: 53.6%

That is pretty interesting. The Pats clearly compensated for that with going to the Gronk and Welker well plenty of times. Having 2 TEs and an amazing slot WR makes going deep less of a necessity, especially when your QB is struggling with it.

I am currently trying to find the % for Ryan. If anybody finds it before me, feel free to post it so it can "qualify for TATF"

[raysnill1]

come to think of it, since Randy Moss left I haven't seen Brady air it out much at all. but then again with Randy Moss you got like a 20 foot radius you can throw to lol

[vel]

come to think of it, since Randy Moss left I haven't seen Brady air it out much at all. but then again with Randy Moss you got like a 20 foot radius you can throw to lol

Lol yea, it's funny when you say Brady isn't a deep threat and you don't have to be a deep throw to win games around here, it's like blasphemy.

They were never a vertical offense. Moss came and McDaniels added it. Moss left, so did the deep game.

[atljbo]

Some ppl talk about Matt Ryan dinking and donking sometimes.. I read something that said 80% of Brady throws are with in 10 yards.... Its their system tho

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

That is pretty interesting. The Pats clearly compensated for that with going to the Gronk and Welker well plenty of times. Having 2 TEs and an amazing slot WR makes going deep less of a necessity, especially when your QB is struggling with it.

This is why I harp on coaching so much. Win or lose, you can't say that Beli-cheat does not know his team and how to get the most out of them. Not

drafting well isn't an excuse for failing to coach up the team to its strengths.

[FalconinPA]

I don't know if any of you guys saw this but ESPN was talking about Brady's struggles going deep (21 yards or further). His completion % was 28.8%. The league average is 34.3%.

Tebow: 29%

Brees: 50.7%

Rodgers: 53.6%

That is pretty interesting. The Pats clearly compensated for that with going to the Gronk and Welker well plenty of times. Having 2 TEs and an amazing slot WR makes going deep less of a necessity, especially when your QB is struggling with it.

I am currently trying to find the % for Ryan. If anybody finds it before me, feel free to post it so it can "qualify for TATF"

I think I see where you are trying to go with this. You have latched on to proving a point about Ryan the way you did with Owens there for a minute.

[#1 pick]

Without Tom Brady Gronk wouldn't be that great. He would be good but he's dominate with Brady. I don't even know how you can play Hernandez in most offenses. He's an H-Back. Brady makes a lot of things possible.

[FootballRealist]

I am currently trying to find the % for Ryan. If anybody finds it before me, feel free to post it so it can "qualify for TATF"

Manning threw a greater percentage of his passes downfield than any QB in the league this year, according to statistics on ESPN.com.

Manning passes went 20 or more yards downfield 16.6 percent of the time this year, the highest rate of any of the 16 QBs who had at least 500 attempts. Manning was 37 of 98 for 1,153 yards on throws of 20 yards or more. That was a league-high in attempts and second best in the league in yards, behind only Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers.

Brady’s passes went 20 yards or more downfield only 7.9 percent of the time, 15th out of the 16 top passers, based on ESPN.com’s numbers. The Bills’ Fitzpatrick threw 20 or more yards downfield on 9.5 percent of his passes.

Overall, Fitzpatrick ranked 11th out of 16 in attempts of 20-or-more yards downfield. He was 13th out of 16 in yards gained on throws of 20-plus downfield. He was 14th out of 16 in completion percentage on those throws.

Brady was 14th in attempts, 12th in yards and 10th in completion percentage.

The numbers, of course, don’t account for run after the catch. Naaman Roosevelt’s 60-yard catch-and-run TD for the Bills against the Giants doesn’t factor into it.

So what is the significance?

Scoring points is what matters, and there are lots of ways to get it done. The numbers show the Patriots are heavily reliant on their two dynamic tight ends, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, to make plays downfield. They get it done without a lot of throws to their wideouts downfield.

The Bills were 14th in the league in scoring, and their quick-passing offense was effective. It would be more effective if they got some more dynamic plays from their No. 2 wideout down the field, and it would make their quick-pass game even better. Fitzpatrick totaled 490 yards on throws 20-plus downfield. San Diego’s Philip Rivers was eighth, with 806 yards on those throws.

Imagine if the Bills got seven or eight more 20-plus plays from the flanker position. They would have great vertical balance in their passing attack.

A couple more conclusions from the downfield passing numbers:

--Green Bay’s Rodgers was lethal on downfield throws. Manning had 98 downfield throws; Rodgers had 57. But Rodgers passed for 1,188 yards on them.

--Carolina’s Cam Newton already is a big-time deep passer. He threw for 1,062 yards on 81 downfield passes.

--Atlanta’s Matt Ryan was surprisingly ineffective. He was 15th in percentage of throws downfield (8.3), 16th in completion percentage on those throws (23.4) and 14th in yards (389).

[Rai]

The numbers ESPN have are different than what PFF have.

Brady is at 33% with 5 drops according to PFF. Matt Ryan is at 25% with 3 drops.

[FootballRealist]

Just goes to show that Mularkey was kind of handcuffed by a QB that is not consistent throwing the ball down the field . So then comes new hire Koetter plan to install a vertcial passing offense to a QB that is terrible throwing the long ball ..makes sense .None whatsoever but Ryan apologist I hear and from reading AJC blogs you see these Ryan apologist that absolve him from any blame . Its the OC or the offensive line or its the wr dropping passes . They never really want to admit part of the problem is Ryan and his lack of skill set to complete the deep ball on a consistent basis .

We all know Ryan bust his *** in training camp and off season work outs yet he still has not developed this part of his game .

It could possibly develop later in his career but I just dont think he has the skill set or the mind set to open up and let the ball fly

[#1 pick]

I hate Ryan homers. I really do. I think they are the ones who need to be traded even more so than Ryan. They are the ones who keep hyping this game manager to be elite and if he doesn't play elite they blame it on all the players, coaches, and management when the QB just doesn't have the talent to do what they hype him up to be. It's just that simple. If they would act like normal fans, I would stop posting on Ryan and what not. Treat him like a normal player but when coaches and players are getting canned and blamed for the QB, the QB becomes my number one target.

[FootballRealist]

I hate Ryan homers. I really do. I think they are the ones who need to be traded even more so than Ryan. They

are the ones who keep hyping this game manager to be elite and if he doesn't play elite they blame it on all the players, coaches, and management when the QB just doesn't have the talent to do what they hype him up to be. It's just that simple. If they would act like normal fans, I would stop posting on Ryan and what not. Treat him like a normal player but when coaches and players are getting canned and blamed for the QB, the QB becomes my number one target.

Its so bad some of these people have these agendas that need to say well Tom Brady struggled with deep ball its okay for Matt Ryan ....Thats mother ******* Tom Brady 1 of the greatest QBs of all time I dont give a flying **** if he struggles with deep ball this season with a washed up Ohco and Branch on go routes ..Brady is a playoff winning /SUPER BOWL winning QB ..I dont know why people go to great lengths to find ways to draw stats of 1 of greatest to Ryan ...

Ryan will never be Tom Brady

Ryan will never be Peyton Manning

Ryan will never be Eli Manning

Lets get that through to some people . Ryan is a good QB that has not put his team in a position to win a playoff game . He is a regular season built type QB that can help lead the teams to wins but he wont come up in a big playoff game and put team in position to win nor carry a team ..

[atljbo]

This is why i mainly do not care about all of these numbers... I mean i want my QB to be effective throwing the deep ball ...Dont get me wrong... My main concern is TD, Ints, 3rd down completions, and being able to take advantage of opportunities while there.

Its all about consistency with Matt Ryan... Hopefully Dirk system will give Matt the freedom to play loose (Going by what ive heard from players it sound like Mularkey was very hands on with everything besides no huddle.. wanted to control everything) ... I remember hearing Jason Cole talk after the saints vs Falcons game... He said it seemed like the falcons were playing for 5 yeards a play while the saints were playing for 15 yards a play.. You gotta have a aggressive playcaller in todays article.... I remember reading Coach Koetter say how he has the short gains.. He wants the bigger plays.... I think that mindset/trust in Matt will be big (Roddy also said we will run more no huddle.. Listening to Roddy it sound like Coach Smith got us in and out of no huddle because Mularkey didnt like to call for No Huddle)

That plus Ryan continueing to improve should help with the consistency thing.

[FalconinPA]

I hate Ryan homers. I really do. I think they are the ones who need to be traded even more so than Ryan. They are the ones who keep hyping this game manager to be elite and if he doesn't play elite they blame it on all the players, coaches, and management when the QB just doesn't have the talent to do what they hype him up to be. It's just that simple. If they would act like normal fans, I would stop posting on Ryan and what not. Treat him like a normal player but when coaches and players are getting canned and blamed for the QB, the QB becomes my number one target.

I don't hate them, but they do drive me a little insane. It is funny to see people trying to hype him up to be something that he isn't. At the same time it is funny to see people saying that he is the worst QB we could have possibly picked. Ryan to me is just an average QB, that is gonna need for our organization to put a good team around him. But he definitely has enough talent to get us to that next level. I just hope it is soon. i can't take to may more of the early playoff exits.

[FootballRealist]

This is why Matt Ryan will never be a good deep thrower ..It has nothing really do to do with CONSISTENCY ..It has more to do with skill set

[#1 pick]

Its so bad some of these people have these agendas that need to say well Tom Brady struggled with deep ball its okay for Matt Ryan ....Thats mother ******* Tom Brady 1 of the greatest QBs of all time I dont give a flying **** if he struggles with deep ball this season with a washed up Ohco and Branch on go routes ..Brady is a playoff winning /SUPER BOWL winning QB ..I dont know why people go to great lengths to find ways to draw stats of 1 of greatest to Ryan ...

Ryan will never be Tom Brady

Ryan will never be Peyton Manning

Ryan will never be Eli Manning

Lets get that through to some people . Ryan is a good QB that has not put his team in a position to win a playoff game . He is a regular season built type QB that can help lead the teams to wins but he wont come up in a big playoff game and put team in position to win nor carry a team ..

I know right, Brady is elite because he can adjust to all of his personnel. He made the personnel, the personnel doesn't make him. Even with that said, Brady is miles better than Ryan ever was or will be. There other favorite one is Joe Montana. Joe would slap the s**t outta someone if they brought that nonsense to him. Montana could move like a ballet dancer. He could throw it effortlessly anywhere. He didn't have a cannon but he could make the passes he needed to make and he did it under center, not from the shotgun either.

I don't even want to say he's a regular season QB. He is just an excellent game manager. If you have a squad as loaded as Houston or Aikman's Dallas, you can win titles with Ryan. If you are talented, no. If you are kinda talented like Atlanta, you won't even win a playoff game. It's just reality.

[Knight of God]

I don't know if any of you guys saw this but ESPN was talking about Brady's struggles going deep (21 yards or further). His completion % was 28.8%. The league average is 34.3%.

Tebow: 29%

Brees: 50.7%

Rodgers: 53.6%

That is pretty interesting. The Pats clearly compensated for that with going to the Gronk and Welker well plenty of times. Having 2 TEs and an amazing slot WR makes going deep less of a necessity, especially when your QB is struggling with it.

I am currently trying to find the % for Ryan. If anybody finds it before me, feel free to post it so it can "qualify for TATF"

You know why the Patriots are money no matter wht? They stick to their own philosophy. They stick to their own guns. They copy themselves.

[FootballRealist]

Matt Ryan will never and I mean NEVER be able to make the throw Brady made in playoff game vs Den ..

If you want to see skill set and a throw that is impressive ..This is a throw Matt Ryan is not capable of making

This is a throw Ryan will never make going forward ..Its just not in his skill set

Peep it ...55 seconds ..GREATNESS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8KHkyXaHkA

[Jah]

This board will never run out of idiots.

[Butudontseeme™]

My god. Does this not get old to everyone else?

[Rai]

If people don't think Matt Ryan is a franchise QB, they have no idea how to evaluate any QB. As they say, it takes more than talent.

[Psychic Gibbon]

I went into this thread fully expecting that the Ryan haters would try to derail it and, lo and behold, they did. Pretty sad, really.

[fan72]

Just goes to show that Mularkey was kind of handcuffed by a QB that is not consistent throwing the ball down the field . So then comes new hire Koetter plan to install a vertcial passing offense to a QB that is terrible throwing the long ball ..makes sense .None whatsoever but Ryan apologist I hear and from reading AJC blogs you see these Ryan apologist that absolve him from any blame . Its the OC or the offensive line or its the wr dropping passes . They never really want to admit part of the problem is Ryan and his lack of skill set to complete the deep ball on a consistent basis .

We all know Ryan bust his *** in training camp and off season work outs yet he still has not developed this part of his game .

It could possibly develop later in his career but I just dont think he has the skill set or the mind set to open up and let the ball fly

I cant speak for anyone else but i pretty much agree with most of what you said here it is pretty accurate. Where i do disagree is you seem to think you have some sort of crystal ball and can see into the future by saying Ryan will never get better you seem to post that a lot.

What many people try to do by using all of the comparisons is show that players can and do get better. Will Ryan ever get better? I dont know but at the moment he is our quarterback so all i can do is watch it all unfold and see where it leads.

Who knows you may be exactly right he may never grow into a great quarterback but spending your days trying so hard to convince everyone else of that just seems like a really big waste of time.

I'll give you that there are plenty of people that want to think Ryan is as good as some of the Elite Quarterbacks in the league and go to great lengths to try and proove it they are obviously dillusional.

Just understand that every person that trys to make some sort of comparison is not saying that Ryan is as good as Manning or Breese or whoever it may be, they are simply pointing out that players change.

[Zodiac]

Some ppl talk about Matt Ryan dinking and donking sometimes.. I read something that said 80% of Brady throws are with in 10 yards.... Its their system tho

It also helps when you have a mountain at TE and a freaking Veyron at the other TE spot.

[Zodiac]

Also for the people arguing about Ryan, Ryan can throw the deep ball fine. look at his rookie year. he isn't a freaking Phillip Rivers though, Ryan is **** good at 15-20 yards, the problem is when you have an OC who has the majority of his routes ending on one side of the field their is Very little opportunity for YAC. Since everyone is at one spot. I can't tell you how many times I saw roddy run a deep curl with HD coming underneath with a drag or out and then Julio running a go, fly, or curl all on the same side of the field. Look at NE's O Their routes are always ending in different parts of the field, it's never cluttered unlike MM's offense.