pzummo Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 There have been a lot of threads about Dimitroff's ability to draft players. I found a link that actually charts every single NFL franchise, their draft picks from 2009-2011 (which doesn't include our 2008 draft, arguably our best over his tenure), and how many of those players made and stayed with the team. These are not my opinions, I'm just posting the facts about how all of the teams stack up against each other. Here is the link and some highlights I noted. Feel free to provide your own comments/evaluation based on all of the facts presented, not just focusing on one or two picks by several different teams over the 3 year span. http://www.drafttek.com/ConsolidatedNFLDraft-stillWT.ASPJust so there's no misconception, the link defines success as to whether or not that player made the team and was still on the team by the time the 2011 season started. It does not rate the players drafted by draft position, but it does point out the completely whiffed draft picks by each team by noting which ones couldn't make or stay on the roster.The Atlanta Falcons rank second in the entire NFL. 95.2% of all of our draft picks were still on our roster at the beginning of 2011. Some notable teams that some have claimed much better at drafting than us... Green Bay had a respectable 79.2% success rate, although they completely whiffed on at least 5 picks. New England has whiffed on 11 players since Dimitroff left (66.7% success rate). New Orleans has whiffed on 4, 75% success. The Eagles whiffed on 10 guys, 68.8%. Steelers whiffed on 9 guys, 65.4%. Dallas was the 2nd worst in the entire NFL with a 63.3% (Rams were the worst drafters in the league). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Man™ Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Dam, I was lookin' for another hot chick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uup115 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Now, if we only knew what kind of input the GM has in player retention...then we could discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 This no surprise to me TD always said build through the draft coach them up allow them to develop and now this rookie pay scale is in I think every teams % will rise because in alot of cases it saves the team millions of $$$$$.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The Patriots cut a lot of players, maybe we should follow suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 ****, 2009 was a great draft for the Lions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) There no debate, he is our GM and will be until AB fires him or he goes somewhere else, front office, and roster personnel are not determined based on public opinion.alot of people want to blab all day long about it but these are the facts and to me is is a clear waste of time for anyone to post there haterade about TD.Nice stats but the agenda trolls will just find another way to pick TD apart. Edited January 26, 2012 by SYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 ****, 2009 was a great draft for the Lions...Just took a look, that was a good draft. If you look, they had the 1st, 20th, and 33rd pick in that draft. That's basically 3 first round picks in one draft. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 And the only guy not on the roster would have been had the Jags not stolen him and made him a starter there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putnam6 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 This no surprise to me TD always said build through the draft coach them up allow them to develop and now this rookie pay scale is in I think every teams % will rise because in alot of cases it saves the team millions of $$$$$..The key words there is coach them up will see if the new additions to coaching staff are better or worse than the previous 4 years, I know Nolan will be and I imagine so will Koetter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitunpatel2003 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't care, who you are but if you're an TD hater that absolutely stupid in my opinion. Personally, I can say TD is the best Falcons GM that we could ask for. I see a lot of improvement season after season for our team. Who else do you think would this success that TD has done for us,, I mean we have 4 straight winning record with 3 playoff appearances under Dimitroff. I know TD make some bad decision like drafting Jamaal Anderson but He's been doing great building this team on how we wanted for this team to become. I believe in TD but I have some questions bout Mike Smith after some questionable calls he did last season like the New Orleans game early in the season, I believe it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons faithful Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Gotta wonder what the retention rate says about us. Look at some of these names an ask Why have we kept them is it we need them or just can't do any better. 7 of 21 picks listed are questionable at best some others listed the jury is still out on.Plus there is Corey Peters who is looking good but we pass on someone name Jimmy Graham REALLY good TE for aint's and while we had Tony needed to be looking for his replacement sooner or later think what we could have been doing with him and tony together. Along with the fact that we had to DT that T.D picked the year before why were we picking another the following year.Shann SchillingerMike JohnsonPeria Jerry AKA Peria Jelly he is the New Bursterson Christopher OwensGarrett ReynoldsSpencer AdkinsVance Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons faithful Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't care, who you are but if you're an TD hater that absolutely stupid in my opinion. Personally, I can say TD is the best Falcons GM that we could ask for. I see a lot of improvement season after season for our team. Who else do you think would this success that TD has done for us,, I mean we have 4 straight winning record with 3 playoff appearances under Dimitroff. I know TD make some bad decision like drafting Jamaal Anderson but He's been doing great building this team on how we wanted for this team to become. I believe in TD but I have some questions bout Mike Smith after some questionable calls he did last season like the New Orleans game early in the season, I believe it was.Excuse me but T.D has made enough mistakes on his own don't saddle his with Jamaal also that was Rich McKay al by himself T.D has his back up though in Peria Jelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The Patriots cut a lot of players, maybe we should follow suit?This is exactly how I feel. Seems like there is a real problem pulling the trigger on guys. What I mean is, it usually takes a guy being hurt before smith makes the decision to start another player. Just put the best man on the field regardless of his draft position and stop being Mr nice guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 This is exactly how I feel. Seems like there is a real problem pulling the trigger on guys. What I mean is, it usually takes a guy being hurt before smith makes the decision to start another player. Just put the best man on the field regardless of his draft position and stop being Mr nice guy.I'm not really sure how you came to that conclusion. Can you elaborate? I mean, Peters was a 3rd round pick and beat out Jerry (1st). Any time one of our starters has gone down, there's always been a dropoff to the guy backing him up. I haven't really noticed anyone get a job because of their draft position, and I haven't really seen any player get promoted due to injury that was lights out better than the starter. Franks was taken in the 5th and he got the start over Owens (3rd round pick) when Grimes went down. Reynolds (5th) got his chance before Hawley (4th), but Hawley proved he was better at RG so he took over. Sidbury was an earlier pick (4th) than Biermann (5th), and it took Sid a while to earn more playing time. Spoon, Julio, Moore, and Peters are the only 4 from these drafts that are starters opening the season and I think all 4 of them earned it. Can you elaborate on who you thought should've started sooner? I don't see where any of our depth players have proven they are better than any of our starters. Some are very good depth players, but I'm completely missing which players you are referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 OK how about SAM BAKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 How about Moore not getting a shot until Colmen goes down How about never playing Sidbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 How about Moore not getting a shot until Colmen goes downHow about never playing SidburyIt was Moore being injured that caused us to play Coleman in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattRyan2Canton Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 bakers problem is injuries impeded his development, you can't tell me a 3 time all american can't play in the NFL if he stays healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 It was Moore being injured that caused us to play Coleman in the first place.you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Houston comes to mind as getting too much time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 bakers problem is injuries impeded his development, you can't tell me a 3 time all american can't play in the NFL if he stays healthy.I dont give a rats *** what he did in college Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synaptic apoptosis Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 How about, D Franks should be starting over D Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring It Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I admit to thinking TD could walk on water, 2008 - 2010.Today, I'd send out an SOS and start looking for him at the bottom of Lake Lanier. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 How about, D Franks should be starting over D RobNow your just on crack, Franks did not look decent until Owens was removed from NB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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