And Yall Boys Wanna Cut Ryan? G T F O H

[Aftermath]

This is the 4th time you have attacked me and for what reason has yet to be seen.

Let's look at Aftermath claims.

1. He called me an idiot.

2. He called me an a*shole? This might be the only one with merit.

3. He called me a troll.

4. He said that I have the mental prowess of a 8 year old.

Now generally speaking I usually act on a poster right back who attacks me but since Aftermath just isn't an important poster who never adds value to a discussion, I will just let this be my last response to him forever.

I thought ignore was for sissies?

[#1 pick]

Never used the ignore feature in my life post....

[Aftermath]

Do I get some sort of award or commendation for getting a Ryan troll to put me on ignore, this is sort of a big deal for me. I will settle for a life size bust in AB's office.

[MattRyansArm]

Those stats are great but it's nothing compared to what Matty liquid nitrogen is capable of, he will easily go down as the greatest ever when he retires. But hopefully he never retires, it would crush me terribly.

[Atlfanstckndenver]

I can't believe the number of vulture clowns circling this board that wanna cut Ryan. Yall kiddin me right? And replace him with who? Brady? Brees? Rodgers? Vick? Montana? Good luck son.

Matty Melt aint nearly as bad as yall boys think he is. Trust me. I mean c'mon man:

2011

4th - PFF overall QB rating

6th - passing TDs

6th - 3rd down completion%

7th - 2011 regular season winning%

8th - NFL passer rating

8th - ESPN QBR rating

8th - passing yards

8th - 40+ yard completions

9th - 2011 playoff winning%

10th - 20+ yard completions

The only key passing stats he didn't make the Top 10 in the league were:

11th - completion% (0.3% from Top 10)

14th - yards per attempt (0.4 yards per attempt from Top 10)

All of this with a suspect Oline, a bunch of drops, penalties and an OC that Vel thinks is one of the worst in the NFL. Jeez.

His four year combined stats are in the Top 10. He also is a Pro Bowl QB that won a ROY award. And yall wanna cut him?

I would cut all yall mofos before I'd cut Matt Ryan. Trust me.

Amen you hip old man you.

[FalconinPA]

To be fair, this season Ryans numbers against playoff teams were extremely pedestrian. He's a very good QB, but I cant call him "great" or "elite" until he starts doing as well against playoff caliber teams as he does against everyone else.

The trolls that want him traded are annoying, but lets not pretend the guy doesnt fold against upper level competition more times than not. That's something he needs to fix before we can go anywhere in the post-season. I know the line sucks, but when we are down 14 in the 4th quarter of a playoff game and Ryan is still checking down, it's a problem. When the season is on the line, you have got to put it up and trust our STUD WR's to make a play for us.

I like!

[Optimus*Crimes]

Ummm no. I called Manning choking and finally winning an anomaly.

I read about 3 of your posts in this thread and I can already tell that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Have you ever watched a football game? Not the one with the little black and white dots on them, the brown one thats shaped funny. You should check it out sometime. You may have an "ah-ha!" moment when you realize that you've been talking about the wrong sport...

[Magic Man]

Amazing how all the haters here don't expect any improvement from Ryan, when it's been shown time and again that moving into elite status can take several years- Eli, Peyton & Brees all won super bowls and none of them won a playoff game early- Eli took 4 years, Peyton & Brees took 6 years to win their first.

There is no reason to think Ryan won't improve his game.

Ryan needs to pick up his game in the playoffs- so does the coaching staff and the rest of the team.

This entire post, is the way I feel. The posters who paint it in black and white like "Ryan will NEVER lead this team to a Superbowl, Ryan has gotten worse every year, etc etc" are the ones that I have a problem with. Pointing out shortcomings...sure: he lacks accuracy on his deep ball, this year he developed happy feet to go along with the turnstile we called our offensive line, he checks down too much, he needs to show better in the playoffs, and so on.

With all of that being said, the book on Ryan isn't written. We are finishing chapter 4 and moving on to chapter 5. The guys who take the extremist point of view are just in the mood to get someone to argue with them. If you have at least two-three marbles rolling around in your head, you know that like it or not Ryan is going to be the QB here for most of if not his entire career. Let's hope chapter 5 is called:

My Second Trip to New Orleans and the Shiny Trophy I Brought Home

[FalconFanSince1970]

To be fair, this season Ryans numbers against playoff teams were extremely pedestrian. He's a very good QB, but I cant call him "great" or "elite" until he starts doing as well against playoff caliber teams as he does against everyone else...

OK, this is a profound statement. Ryan was a very good QB against non-playoff teams. He sucked against playoff teams. Just compare his numbers against Eli Manning's, who will represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

2011 Stats against Playoff teams (regular season and playoff games included)

Ryan

1-5 (.167), 145/258, 1575 yards, 56.2 completion%, 6.1 ypa, 10.9 ypc, 6 TDs, 7 INTs, 70.8 rating

EManning

4-3 (.571), 178/289, 2237 yards, 61.6 completion%, 7.7 ypa, 12.6 ypc, 17 TDs, 6 INTs, 96.6 rating

Ryan could definitely improve in these games but he is gonna need some help. In 6 games against playoff teams his offense had 21 drops and 27 penalties. Eli's offense only had 14 drops and 16 penalties in 7 games. That is a big reason for the difference in winning% and passer rating against playoff teams.

Ryan could also improve against pressure. Eli was sacked, hit and hurried way more than Ryan against playoff teams. Stay in the pocket and take some Flacco type hits or slide in the pocket like Eli, but don't bail out and throw the ball away every time.

[vel]

OK, this is a profound statement. Ryan was a very good QB against non-playoff teams. He sucked against playoff teams. Just compare his numbers against Eli Manning's, who will represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.

2011 Stats against Playoff teams (regular season and playoff games included)

Ryan

1-5 (.167), 145/258, 1575 yards, 56.2 completion%, 6.1 ypa, 10.9 ypc, 6 TDs, 7 INTs, 70.8 rating

EManning

4-3 (.571), 178/289, 2237 yards, 61.6 completion%, 7.7 ypa, 12.6 ypc, 17 TDs, 6 INTs, 96.6 rating

Ryan could definitely improve in these games but he is gonna need some help. In 6 games against playoff teams his offense had 21 drops and 27 penalties. Eli's offense only had 14 drops and 16 penalties in 7 games. That is a big reason for the difference in winning% and passer rating against playoff teams.

Ryan could also improve against pressure. Eli was sacked, hit and hurried way more than Ryan against playoff teams. Stay in the pocket and take some Flacco type hits or slide in the pocket like Eli, but don't bail out and throw the ball away every time.

If our OC wasn't such a pussie when it came to gameplanning against playoff caliber teams...

But let me get off my MM trip huh? Yes Ryan can improve his performance against playoff teams, but the gameplan he is operating out of is trash, he can't overcome that, no matter how good he is. Do you really think we beat the Ravens in 2010 if we don't run the No Huddle all game? No, we don't. Do you really think it's Ryan's fault that the second half of the Packers gameplan was stale after the first half's gameplan was so refreshing and dominating?

Yes, Ryan averaged a little more than 1 INT a game against playoff teams and his guys dropped numerous passes, but our offense always looks so bottled up against playoff teams that it's sad and that's all scheme and gameplan. Playoff teams capitalized on MM's predictable tendencies. Being outscored in the 3rd by a million points is directly attributed to no adjustments and then puts Ryan in hero mode. Ryan's play and decision making against playoff teams will get better when he doesn't have to make the perfect read and throw EVERY play. Take the pressure off Ryan and put it on the defense.

[slick0ne]

Ryan is almost there, man. All he has to do is step up in the pocket like the big boys and deliver strikes. I've seen him do this from time to time. He kills me when he runs from phantom pressure good things rarely happens when he rolls out on his own.

[Bullitt]

If our OC wasn't such a pussie when it came to gameplanning against playoff caliber teams...

But let me get off my MM trip huh? Yes Ryan can improve his performance against playoff teams, but the gameplan he is operating out of is trash, he can't overcome that, no matter how good he is. Do you really think we beat the Ravens in 2010 if we don't run the No Huddle all game? No, we don't. Do you really think it's Ryan's fault that the second half of the Packers gameplan was stale after the first half's gameplan was so refreshing and dominating?

Yes, Ryan averaged a little more than 1 INT a game against playoff teams and his guys dropped numerous passes, but our offense always looks so bottled up against playoff teams that it's sad and that's all scheme and gameplan. Playoff teams capitalized on MM's predictable tendencies. Being outscored in the 3rd by a million points is directly attributed to no adjustments and then puts Ryan in hero mode. Ryan's play and decision making against playoff teams will get better when he doesn't have to make the perfect read and throw EVERY play. Take the pressure off Ryan and put it on the defense.

I don't think MM realized that you don't have to wait until 3rd down before you try to pick up the first - it's ok to try to gain 10 yards on first and second down too.

[Falcon Man™]

I can't believe the number of vulture clowns circling this board that wanna cut Ryan. Yall kiddin me right? And replace him with who? Brady? Brees? Rodgers? Vick? Montana? Good luck son.

Matty Melt aint nearly as bad as yall boys think he is. Trust me. I mean c'mon man:

2011

4th - PFF overall QB rating

6th - passing TDs

6th - 3rd down completion%

7th - 2011 regular season winning%

8th - NFL passer rating

8th - ESPN QBR rating

8th - passing yards

8th - 40+ yard completions

9th - 2011 playoff winning%

10th - 20+ yard completions

The only key passing stats he didn't make the Top 10 in the league were:

11th - completion% (0.3% from Top 10)

14th - yards per attempt (0.4 yards per attempt from Top 10)

All of this with a suspect Oline, a bunch of drops, penalties and an OC that Vel thinks is one of the worst in the NFL. Jeez.

His four year combined stats are in the Top 10. He also is a Pro Bowl QB that won a ROY award. And yall wanna cut him?

I would cut all yall mofos before I'd cut Matt Ryan. Trust me.

[slick0ne]

LMAO

[FalconFanSince1970]

Wait a minute. I was just thinking. Ryan wasn't this bad against playoff teams in 2010.

STATS AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS (regular season and playoff games)

Ryan

2011 - 1-5 (.167), 145/258, 1575 yards, 56.2 completion%, 6.1 ypa, 10.9 ypc, 6 TDs, 7 INTs, 70.8 rating

2010 - 4-4 (.500), 180/287, 1751 yards, 62.7 completion%, 6.1 ypa, 9.7 ypc, 13 TDs, 5 INTs, 87.6 rating

What happened in 2011? I think there were several things:

1. Reynolds and Hawley couldn't replace Dahl

2. SackMaker was pathetic. Vee Tek fell off in the last few games

3. Clabo and Blalock got paid then got laid by good front sevens

4. Ryan struggled with deep ball accuracy in the first half of the season

5. The receivers had an inordinate amount of inexcusable drops

6. The entire offense racked up way too many penalties

7. We got away from the run game in the first half trying to force TD's explosive plan

8. We got behind in a lot of games early on and had to go one dimensional

9. Couldn't convert a 4th and 12 inches worth a dam

10. Weren't as good on third down

[Snafu]

Wait a minute. I was just thinking. Ryan wasn't this bad against playoff teams in 2010.

STATS AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS (regular season and playoff games)

Ryan

2011 - 1-5 (.167), 145/258, 1575 yards, 56.2 completion%, 6.1 ypa, 10.9 ypc, 6 TDs, 7 INTs, 70.8 rating

2010 - 4-4 (.500), 180/287, 1751 yards, 62.7 completion%, 6.1 ypa, 9.7 ypc, 13 TDs, 5 INTs, 87.6 rating

What happened in 2011? I think there were several things:

1. Reynolds and Hawley couldn't replace Dahl

2. SackMaker was pathetic. Vee Tek fell off in the last few games

3. Clabo and Blalock got paid then got laid by good front sevens

4. Ryan struggled with deep ball accuracy in the first half of the season

5. The receivers had an inordinate amount of inexcusable drops

6. The entire offense racked up way too many penalties

7. We got away from the run game in the first half trying to force TD's explosive plan

8. We got behind in a lot of games early on and had to go one dimensional

9. Couldn't convert a 4th and 12 inches worth a dam

10. Weren't as good on third down

hail, we couldnt convert 4 and 1 inch worth a dam. 4th and 12 inches was a pipe dream.

Edited January 25, 2012 by RubberDucky

[MattRyan2Canton]

we were kind of playing a little marty ball huh. i think that's a result of lack of creativity on offense. this is certainly a we'll see with smith ryan and possibly td?

Edited January 25, 2012 by MattRyan2Canton

[Snafu]

Nontheless, I fully expect to see Ryan take a HUGE step forward next year. I know our OC isn't the "Sexy" pick that alot of folks wanted but I think he will prove to us all that he was the correct pick. I think he will do a better job of putting our playmakers in position to...make plays. That alone will make Ryan look substantially better.

[FalconFanSince1970]

If our OC wasn't such a pussie when it came to gameplanning against playoff caliber teams...

But let me get off my MM trip huh? Yes Ryan can improve his performance against playoff teams, but the gameplan he is operating out of is trash, he can't overcome that, no matter how good he is. Do you really think we beat the Ravens in 2010 if we don't run the No Huddle all game? No, we don't. Do you really think it's Ryan's fault that the second half of the Packers gameplan was stale after the first half's gameplan was so refreshing and dominating?

Yes, Ryan averaged a little more than 1 INT a game against playoff teams and his guys dropped numerous passes, but our offense always looks so bottled up against playoff teams that it's sad and that's all scheme and gameplan. Playoff teams capitalized on MM's predictable tendencies. Being outscored in the 3rd by a million points is directly attributed to no adjustments and then puts Ryan in hero mode. Ryan's play and decision making against playoff teams will get better when he doesn't have to make the perfect read and throw EVERY play. Take the pressure off Ryan and put it on the defense.

LMAO. Ryan was way better against playoff teams last year. WITH MULARKEY. What happened in 2011?

Mularkey didn't drop 21 balls. I don't think he overthrew one pass. That's probably five TDs, 200 yards and two more wins right there. He didn't rack up 27 penalties in those games either. He definitely could have blocked better than SackMaker, Reynolds and Hawley. Trust me.

If we don't fix some of those things you may finally realize Mularkey wasn't the problem and get off this misguided witch hunt that's making you look clueless.

[FalconinPA]

Ryan could also improve against pressure. Eli was sacked, hit and hurried way more than Ryan against playoff teams. Stay in the pocket and take some Flacco type hits or slide in the pocket like Eli, but don't bail out and throw the ball away every time.

This I definitely agree with. I hate nothing more than seeing Ryan cave at the though of the phantom pressure and rolls out to throw the ball away. I would like to see him stand tall in the pocket more and deliver some passes even though he might get nailed. I will have to say in Ryan's defense that it could possibly be that Baker and the boys have him so shell shocked that he has no confidence in them even when they are giving him plenty of time. I hope this is it and he is not afraid to step up and take a few hits.

[FalconinPA]

Nontheless, I fully expect to see Ryan take a HUGE step forward next year. I know our OC isn't the "Sexy" pick that alot of folks wanted but I think he will prove to us all that he was the correct pick. I think he will do a better job of putting our playmakers in position to...make plays. That alone will make Ryan look substantially better.

Yep, next year in my opinion with a new OC, it will be time for our offense to put up or shut up. MM can't be blamed any longer. I haven't been this excited about the next season since Ryan's rookie year.

[vel]

LMAO. Ryan was way better against playoff teams last year. WITH MULARKEY. What happened in 2011?

Mularkey didn't drop 21 balls. I don't think he overthrew one pass. That's probably five TDs, 200 yards and two more wins right there. He didn't rack up 27 penalties in those games either. He definitely could have blocked better than SackMaker, Reynolds and Hawley. Trust me.

If we don't fix some of those things you may finally realize Mularkey wasn't the problem and get off this misguided witch hunt that's making you look clueless.

Yes, the drops, or lack thereof, made up for a lot of it. But look at the YPA. Both the exact same. 6 yards is pitiful (for reference, Curtis Painter had a 6.34 YPA this season, that's how pitiful 6.1 YPA is). I said Ryan could have been better and the penalties and drops didn't help, but you are giving MM NO blame at all. Yes, the players have to execute, but the OC has to put them in the best position to execute. Asking HD to block a DE is plain stupid and it happened multiple times this year. Is it his fault he couldn't execute?

Ryan only had 35 more completions in 2010 but only 175 more yards against playoff teams. That's pure play design. Aiming for 10 yards every 3 plays will do that to you. The drops killed us yes. We could easily have been 2-4 against playoff teams this year if Roddy catches the ball in the Saints game in the end zone, but why does it always come down to some last minute, last second drop/penalty/etc? Beat them in the first 3 quarters of the game and you don't have to pray nobody drops the ball. Draw up a gameplan that factors in mistakes (you know, those things that humans make constantly) and you won't have to rely on perfect execution just to get 10 yards every three plays. MM made things incessantly harder on this offense than necessary.

Sorry, once you see how capable this offense is with a better OC, you will be the one looking stupid for defending him and his "it's the players' fault and their lack of execution" trip. Trust me.

Edited January 25, 2012 by vel

[Snafu]

LMAO. Ryan was way better against playoff teams last year. WITH MULARKEY. What happened in 2011? Mularkey didn't drop 21 balls. I don't think he overthrew one pass. That's probably five TDs, 200 yards and two more wins right there. He didn't rack up 27 penalties in those games either. He definitely could have blocked better than SackMaker, Reynolds and Hawley. Trust me. If we don't fix some of those things you may finally realize Mularkey wasn't the problem and get off this misguided witch hunt that's making you look clueless.

Just from watching the games, it seemed like this season we ran the No Huddle SUBSTANTIALLY less than we ran the season before. Once a defense realizes that you arent going to stretch the field, and they know they can cover a 15 yard radius it starts to make the QB's job more difficult than it needs to be. In Mularkeys scheme, the WR's had their chest to the QB entirely too much. We all saw what JJ can do w/ slants, and we did not make it a staple of our offense like we should have. The only way this offense was going to be "explosive" this year was for Ryan to wing it 40 yards down field. Our designed routes, consisting of basically nothing outside of outs and curls, simply didnt allow for it to happen any other way. Mularkey outright SUCKED at designing plays to get Roddy and Julio the ball in space. Think about the INCREDIBLE TD pass to quizz...It was AMAZING...then we never saw it again. The ball control/possesion style passing game is great...as long as you never get behind in games.

Edited January 25, 2012 by RubberDucky

[Trouble]

Yep, next year in my opinion with a new OC, it will be time for our offense to put up or shut up. MM can't be blamed any longer. I haven't been this excited about the next season since Ryan's rookie year.

We just better hope Koetter is the answer. He is getting thrown into the fire with this O. If he is part of the reason for the Jaggs O woes. It should become clear fast.

But time is not on his side and he doesn't have 4 years to get it going.

Tony G would probably retire if we go to far backwards.

Turners wheels might total come off if we try to ride him as our only weapon 90% of the time.

White isnt getting any younger.

Ryan needs to be pushed harder not take the safe approach. Get him used to taking risks and not scare him into never wanting to.

Alot relies on Koetter and maybe thats not a bad thing. W/ this many weapons maybe he can bust out some crazy stuff (i doubt it since Smith is still conservative). But we can hope and with teams not knowing much about him except him being a failure for the jaggs. We may even fly under the radar for a few weeks.

[FalconFanSince1970]

Nontheless, I fully expect to see Ryan take a HUGE step forward next year. I know our OC isn't the "Sexy" pick that alot of folks wanted but I think he will prove to us all that he was the correct pick. I think he will do a better job of putting our playmakers in position to...make plays. That alone will make Ryan look substantially better.

Our playmakers were in position to make 10-20 plays against palyoff teams in 2011 and failed.

if they don't fix that it won't matter if we bring in Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy or Bill Walsh. Trust me.