New Hope Eagle Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 There is a great deal of issues on these boards about Matt Ryan and his accuracy and arm strength and I have a few simple observations.1. Most of his throws are to curl routes or stop routes where most of the time he is throwing to a target either barely moving or not moving at all.Then we expect him to hit the deep routes with a target that is moving very quickly andwith a very small window.2. He also has a great deal of sideline routes but with the target moving back toward the LOS or parallel to the sideline. A somewhat larger target and a larger window but not moving as fast. Keep in mind these routes are also much further from him than a slant which we never run. Maybe his arm is worn out throwing that many passes that far all week. 3. As I said in number 1, the deep routes pose probelms when they are porbably notpracticed very much but I think his release point is what is off, something a competent OC should be able to correct. Hs relase is too early thus throwing the ball with a higher trajectory and creating a throw with less velocity and failing to connect. Of course, he has overthrown several deep balls so maybe the targets need to run better routes.Just my observations mind you as I coach youth football and have worked with manyyoung QB's and to me, it is all about the mechanics and preparation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I've noticed from all of the time that I've watched Ryan that he is most accurate and efficient when he does the quick play action fake, takes about a 4-5 step drop and drills a pass (usually a seam route) in between 12-20 yards....Like most good quarterbacks he is a rhythm passer....Even though I was initially angry about the Koetter hire, the more homework I do on this guy the more excited I am to see how/if he can develop Ryan further. Koetter was a QB...he understands the position....A fresh set of eyes and perspective will hopefully improve Ryan's numbers and mechanics on the longer passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus Whale Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Matt Ryan has left a lot to be desired, as far as the deep ball is concerned. However, I will refrain from any definitive judgment, until he has a line that can protect him long enough for deep routes to develop. Either way, Matt Ryan is the best thing to happen to this franchise and this board is filled with people that must have tried out for the starring role in "Life Goes On". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I wonder how long it takes a QB to change his mechanics. In some cases he might end up worse for a while. I also wonder if they have been throwing a certain way for a long time how often they revert back to their old technique especially in the heat of the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajhae Battle Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I don't understand this constant need to over analize Matt. Yes he is the QB & that position along with coach gets too much praise & too much blame, but i really feel like we are alright at the QB position, there are things he can improve on, i think he gets "happy feet" even before there is real pressure, but that probaly comes from not fully trusting his line. I'm not sure about his arm strenght, but my point is that most of the things we see as weaknesses can be coached differently thus seeing a different result, Lets concentrate on the "changable" things that can really improve this team from one year to the next. Matt is our QB period, if we really hope that we effect some small glimmer of decision & change, then lets not waste it, let's really show the f/o what we the fans percieve as a problem & hope that they address it with smart prudent personel moves. We lose any credibility that we may have had by trying to get rid of one of "cornerstones" of what turned this franchise around just 4 short years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Although most of the concerns I read on this MB from reputable posters about Ryan's weak areas are valid and worthy of discussion, there are much bigger and more fundamental problems with this team.if they don't get both of the lines fixed (offensive first priority, but defensive needs attention also) then you could have a reincarnated Johnny Unitas playing for the Falcons and he wouldn't look much better than Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus Whale Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Although most of the concerns I read on this MB from reputable posters about Ryan's weak areas are valid and worthy of discussion, there are much bigger and more fundamental problems with this team.if they don't get both of the lines fixed (offensive first priority, but defensive needs attention also) then you could have a reincarnated Johnny Unitas playing for the Falcons and he wouldn't look much better than Ryan.This is true. It is also a tall order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbendon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 In before the agenda driven I think Matt will be fine. He has progressed every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 This is true. It is also a tall order.A huge order....so big I seriously doubt it can be accomplished in one offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Falcon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 The reason he runs those curl and dig routes is because that was MM's play it safe scheme from Ryan's rookie year that never evolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus Whale Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 A huge order....so big I seriously doubt it can be accomplished in one offseason.I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAF HART Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I wonder how long it takes a QB to change his mechanics. In some cases he might end up worse for a while. I also wonder if they have been throwing a certain way for a long time how often they revert back to their old technique especially in the heat of the moment.While his success (or lack there of) has no merit in the conversation, Tebow was able to change his entire throwing motion in a couple of weeks. I haven't seen him go back to his college throwing motion yet. So the window for change SHOULDN'T be that hard for a QB, as long as he is taught the proper way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 While his success (or lack there of) has no merit in the conversation, Tebow was able to change his entire throwing motion in a couple of weeks. I haven't seen him go back to his college throwing motion yet. So the window for change SHOULDN'T be that hard for a QB, as long as he is taught the proper way to do it. Tebow is who I was thinking of most recently. I never heard if he actually improved. It's difficult to tell with only 6 completions in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharky Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I think Ryan will be in a class of his own one day but for now he has to go through the rough roads of becoming that kind of player. Right now he's on a road called, "Dazam you MM", and now that he's gone I think Ryan will start to transition into the QB we all hoped he'd be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Hope Eagle Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 the long pass is fairly easy as all he has to adjust is the release point. All we can do is wait and see what moves the FO makes and hope it proves worthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiruz Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Dirk cooter will fix it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastbird Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Tebow is who I was thinking of most recently. I never heard if he actually improved. It's difficult to tell with only 6 completions in a game. it didnt take me long at all i use to have that high arching throw and i just studied the throwing motions of different QB with good zip on the ball i changed it now i have good zip 35-40 yards down field even broke a blood vessel in my dads hand. just too bad i never got to play QB because of an injury._. even team mates told college scouts i should have been QB but thats life haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiccolas Cage Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I have two McFarlene Ryan toys in my living room and they both have the man in a position in which his release point is slightly behind the back of his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiccolas Cage Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Dirk cooter will fix itDirty Cooter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 A huge order....so big I seriously doubt it can be accomplished in one offseason.Not that tall of an order, if this all pans out:Get Gaither for cheap, and he keeps playing at the level he was at the end of 2011Draft Brandon Brooks and he impressesHawley plays a few shades better than he did last year - I think he was good at C, just needs experienceClabo plays like he did in '10Blalock keeps it upand on Defense...RE fully recovers from injuryBabs returns to formPeters keeps it upNolan's scheme of blitzing keeps Abe from constant double teamsPeople exaggerate the issues a lot - if everyone plays how they have before, and we get some new talent, I think we'll be good. Especially because of the new coordinators. They'll likely change how people gameplan for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Dirk cooter will fix itprops! nice to see somebody with some sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 it didnt take me long at all i use to have that high arching throw and i just studied the throwing motions of different QB with good zip on the ball i changed it now i have good zip 35-40 yards down field even broke a blood vessel in my dads hand. just too bad i never got to play QB because of an injury._. even team mates told college scouts i should have been QB but thats life haha.Thanks for the insight. QB and kicker are the only two positions I never played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastbird Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) Thanks for the insight. QB and kicker are the only two positions I never played.Funny thing I played kicker I did anything to help the team I made top 10 plays one week as a kicker in the area mike Vick, Percy harvin, d-hall, Phil sims (alabama's qb behind mcarron he's just a freshman and also played against him haha) and plaxi are from Edited January 21, 2012 by Beastbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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