isproab Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 There is always the Franchise tag. I see a long term deal with Brees getting worked out. Tag is more economical but 9.4 is still a lot but if they learn anything from Atlanta, losing a G can cause major stability problems. Your franchise QB needs a line he can count on.I would love to have Nicks, but a class of two guys whom could both get tagged does not give me much hope.http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8247df3a/article/franchisetag-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan#1 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Yall are assuming that Saints won't cut/restructure some players not worth their contracts. They can save $6M just by cutting Will Smith and I won't be surprised if they cut Vilma & go with the younger, cheaper backup in JoLonn Dunbar Edited January 20, 2012 by Saintsfan#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I actually have been saying this all season but have a change of heart. Just get Gaither and spend the money elsewhere. Nicks will want a crazy amount and we would risk losing Grimes. Draft a RG. Spend the money on Gaither and go after defensive players, like Mathis or Griffin.Dammm Vel, sometimes you make alot of sense here ..........real good G's are not that hard to find ..... we really need to resign Grimes, find another pass rusher, upgrade at LT, and as some suggested, maybe get another RT and slide Clabo over to RG ........man I cant see spending that kind of dinero for a fkng guard ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) I think because breesus is viewed as the "greatest" the deal will be more like 18 to 20.Just sayingAlso Nick's and breesus are not the only problems the saints have with the cap this year.Right! What about Colston, Vilma, Porter, and the others? Edited January 20, 2012 by Flying Falcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 We shouldn't draft one. We've been drafting Guards. None of them have been close to as good. Spend money .I agree 100% , I hope we pick up Nicks and one more UFA Top OL. First and formost would help this team more than any other moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan#1 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Right! What about Colston, Vilma, Porter, and the others?Colston is the Saints 3 priority after Brees &Nicks, Porter is a FA and is expected to leave and Vilma might be cut if the Saints try to free up enough cap space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Total Package Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 If Brees is not signed within the next month, the Saints will have to use their franchise tag on him (per Adam Schefter) which means Nicks would walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Bent Grimes is a very good corner, but Carl Nicks is a great guard. A guard is more important to the offense than a corner is to the defense. I'm not saying that the corner is unimportant, but if you have a choice between a very good corner, and a great guard, you always pick the guard. The only player that I wouldn't hesitate to pick up over Carl Nicks is Robert Mathis, because a consitent pass rush is just as important, if not more, than good pass protection. Nicks also brings fierce run blocking to the team, which is what we desperately need if our coach is gonna continue to trust our guys to pick up 4th and inches. The only other way I'm in favor of us keeping Brent Grimes over Carl Nicks is if Ben Grubs and Grimes come at a cheaper price.Why is everyone so high on Jaired Gaither? I'm sick of us targeting injured players, overpaying them, and then being disappointed/sad when they underperform. He was a solid starter, so he could be a good pick up. But there are options available at LT that could be safer and cheaper.Demetrius Bell (BUF) - OTD'Anthony Batiste (ARZ) - OTLevi Brown (ARZ) - OTBrandon Keith (ARZ) - OTMark LeVoir (BAL) - OTErik Pears (BUF) - OTAnthony Collins (CIN) - OTDennis Roland (CIN) - OTOniel Cousins (CLE) - OTArtis Hicks (CLE) - OTGuy Whimper (JAC) - OTJared Gaither (KC) - OTBarry Richardson (KC) - OTVernon Carey (MIA) - OTKareem McKenzie (NYG) - OTRobert Turner (NYJ) - OTKhalif Barnes (OAK) - OTStephon Heyer (OAK) - OTKing Dunlap (PHI) - OTTrai Essex (PIT) - OTMax Starks (PIT) - OTBreno Giacomini (SEA) - OTAdam Snyder (SF) - OTAdam Goldberg (STL) - OTJames Lee (TB) - OTMike Otto (TEN) - OTGaither has been a good LT. He got cut by the Ravens due to an injury and them having Oher. He was unwisely cut by the Chiefs for no real reason. The Chargers signed him to finish the season since Marcus McNeil was hurt. Good/Great LTs never hit FA unless something happened. Gaither is a good LT and we have insurance with Svitek. He didn't allow a single pressure for his first 3 games with the Chargers and that included the Ravens. I don't remember his "stats" but he was dominant with the Chargers. He would give us a true LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 If Brees is not signed within the next month, the Saints will have to use their franchise tag on him (per Adam Schefter) which means Nicks would walk.Uh Oh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Even Bleed Red Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Gaither has been a good LT. He got cut by the Ravens due to an injury and them having Oher. He was unwisely cut by the Chiefs for no real reason. The Chargers signed him to finish the season since Marcus McNeil was hurt.Good/Great LTs never hit FA unless something happened. Gaither is a good LT and we have insurance with Svitek. He didn't allow a single pressure for his first 3 games with the Chargers and that included the Ravens. I don't remember his "stats" but he was dominant with the Chargers. He would give us a true LT.Is he 100% healed. If he is a healthy true LT like you say he is why would he come so cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Is he 100% healed. If he is a healthy true LT like you say he is why would he come so cheap?Because of the risk. He can't demand a top contract like Nicks can. Most LTs command around $10M easy. I'd be open to giving him a decent contract with caution to the injury and give him step ups that if he remains healthy, he can earn. Marcus McNeil has a 6 year $48M contract. I think Gaither is comparable to McNeil but wouldn't get $8M a year. I'd give him a contract that escalated from $5M to about $8-9M over 5 years. That averages to $7M a year but the only way he earns it is if he remains healthy and endures the contract. This means we get a hungry player and he gets paid well if proves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Colston is the Saints 3 priority after Brees &Nicks, Porter is a FA and is expected to leave and Vilma might be cut if the Saints try to free up enough cap spaceThe problem is can you spend that kind of money on TWO guards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan#1 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 The problem is can you spend that kind of money on TWO guards? Why not? It's not like the rest of the offense outside of Brees & Evans is paid a lot of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Even Bleed Red Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Because of the risk. He can't demand a top contract like Nicks can. Most LTs command around $10M easy. I'd be open to giving him a decent contract with caution to the injury and give him step ups that if he remains healthy, he can earn.Marcus McNeil has a 6 year $48M contract. I think Gaither is comparable to McNeil but wouldn't get $8M a year. I'd give him a contract that escalated from $5M to about $8-9M over 5 years. That averages to $7M a year but the only way he earns it is if he remains healthy and endures the contract. This means we get a hungry player and he gets paid well if proves it.Okay, fair enough. An honest explanation and a good assesment. But then my previous comment holds: I'm sick of us targeting injured hasbeens in the freeagency, overpaying them, and then being disappointed/sad when they underperform. Edited January 20, 2012 by I Even Bleed Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 We need to pursue Gaither and see what we have in Mike JohnsonAgree here Bro we drafted Mike Johnson we gotta find out if he's the real deal much like on the other side of the lineon D we have to once and for all give Sidbury some snaps and move foward with him also.I would also flag going after Nicks its just abridge to far much like Mario Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I still will be suprised if Saints don't figure out a way to keep Nicks. My point is simply, "if Nicks hits the market, let's get'em".This report does not say "who" thinks Falcons will not re-sign Nicks. If the source is Nicks agents/friends or if the source is someone from Saints organization.Carl Nicks nor his agent/handlers have no say in whether the Saints franchise him or not.Hey Dawg sorry to get on you but for me I really think the D-line is in more trouble than the O-line as at least offensively we have options we can move people around.defensively I realy think we have to find a nastiest SOB 43 NT available to bring back some attitude upfront as last year I think they faded really badly.End of the day I think if we end up spending 8 figures on a guy the only guy I see worth that is Mario Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Why not? It's not like the rest of the offense outside of Brees & Evans is paid a lot of moneyColston,Sproles,and a your T/E may look for money this and next year also. You are looking to add L/BS and D/L men. Not so quick to spend 20 mill on TWO GUARDS MY FRIEND ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.L.A BOI Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Ok let me put this fire out for you guys! We can afford it our center is paid basement money and out tackles are paid a dollar more then him lol we can and will pay nicks! All our Oline money goes to our gards. Now we may cut W.Smith may not resign T.porter! way might even let J.V go , but nicks, colston and BREES are staying. Sorry we pay our best players! And our players love to win so the lead being set by brees they all know we have to keep a team together. Brees won't break the bank and leave no money to pay players he wants, even our coach gave back money to sighn GW here at a low head coach salary! Edited January 20, 2012 by N.O.L.A BOI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer2 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hey Dawg sorry to get on you but for me I really think the D-line is in more trouble than the O-line as at least offensively we have options we can move people around.defensively I realy think we have to find a nastiest SOB 43 NT available to bring back some attitude upfront as last year I think they faded really badly.End of the day I think if we end up spending 8 figures on a guy the only guy I see worth that is Mario Williams.I agree that our D line is in worse shape than our OL, but I'd argue our OL is a lot more important the way we've built this team. We've gone after playmakers on offense, but they have no time to do anything. If we're not protecting them, then having 2 good WR's, a top 10 QB, top 10 RB and hall of fame TE is pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Ok let me put this fire out for you guys! We can afford it our center is paid basement money and out tackles are paid a dollar more then him lol we can and will pay nicks! All our Oline money goes to our gards. Now we may cut W.Smith may not resign T.porter! way might even let J.V go , but nicks, colston and BREES are staying. Sorry we pay our best players! And our players love to win so the lead being set by brees they all know we have to keep a team together. Brees won't break the bank and leave no money to pay players he wants, even our coach gave back money to sighn GW here at a low head coach salary!Well if nothing else I hope we can set that price a little higher than you may have expected, heck what are Friends for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I agree that our D line is in worse shape than our OL, but I'd argue our OL is a lot more important the way we've build this team. We've gone after playmakers on offense, but they have no time to do anything. If we're not protecting them, then having 2 good WR's, a top 10 QB, top 10 RB and hall of fame TE is pointless.Agree but at least there are options we can go with along the O-line like moving Clabo back inside is one if we want to soldify pass protection so Ryan can step in the pocket I personally think the D-line is in worse shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer2 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Ok let me put this fire out for you guys! We can afford it our center is paid basement money and out tackles are paid a dollar more then him lol we can and will pay nicks! All our Oline money goes to our gards. Now we may cut W.Smith may not resign T.porter! way might even let J.V go , but nicks, colston and BREES are staying. Sorry we pay our best players! And our players love to win so the lead being set by brees they all know we have to keep a team together. Brees won't break the bank and leave no money to pay players he wants, even our coach gave back money to sighn GW here at a low head coach salary!I pretty much agree w/ you. Nicks is priority #2 for you guys this offseason. But I think most of this argument is do we go after Nicks IF he gets away. Right now, there just not much more to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan#1 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Well if nothing else I hope we can set that price a little higher than you may have expected, heck what are Friends for?doubtful, Saints know it's going to costs around the same/little more for Nicks than it did for Evans, 7yrs/$60M. It is much easier to replace a WR (Colston) than an All Pro G who is only going to be 27 next season Edited January 20, 2012 by Saintsfan#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.L.A BOI Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Well if nothing else I hope we can set that price a little higher than you may have expected, heck what are Friends for?Lol! man I dnt know if i should thank you or just make a play for that midget y'all have playing cornerback! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 doubtful, Saints know it's going to costs around the same/little more for Nicks than it did for Evans, 7yrs/$60M. It is much easier to replace a WR (Colston) than an All Pro G who is only going to be 27 next seasonWow, thats close to what Abe would require per year. huumm I believe in the value of a all pro o/g more than 80% of this board. I just hope that A.BLANK got thru to some of our front office and is willing to buy one more steak dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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