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Who Is The Next To Go If We Fail To Have Playoff Success In 2012 ?

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  1. 1. if no playoff success

    • Mike Smith
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    • Thomas Dimtroff
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    • Matt Ryan
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    • none of the above to 2013
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I do agree that losing Grimes, if it happens, is a big swing and miss by the Falcons. It will be a result of the big swing and miss the franchise made with Dunta.

However, the more I think about it, the more I don't think it's going to happen. i think they end up finding a way to keep Brent and that they cut Dunta after the 2012 season.

Might mean Abe is not back, but let's be honest, Abe is about done.

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Like it or not TD gets all the credit for turning the franchise around, we can talk about how deficient the talent is and everything else but the fact of the matter is there is no one guy on the team that carries the Falcons anymore. In 2008 it was Turner, but those days are long gone. Ryan surely doesn't put the team on his back. the Defense? nope. Without a great QB to carry a roster that is supposedly talent deficient (Patriots, Saints, Packers all have huge holes on D) the credit for W's goes to the GM for building a sound roster without that one guy that can carry the team.

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Like it or not TD gets all the credit for turning the franchise around, we can talk about how deficient the talent is and everything else but the fact of the matter is there is no one guy on the team that carries the Falcons anymore. In 2008 it was Turner, but those days are long gone. Ryan surely doesn't put the team on his back. the Defense? nope. Without a great QB to carry a roster that is supposedly talent deficient (Patriots, Saints, Packers all have huge holes on D) the credit for W's goes to the GM for building a sound roster without that one guy that can carry the team.

I like this reply and even though TD had a good nucleus of players left over from 07.

TD has the support of AB and outside accolades so he's getting a big pass. Glad someone pointed out that other p/o successful teams have glaring

weaknesses but still get optimistic results...makes MS look real bad. MS is on the grille.

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so? your point? McKay hired Mora & Petrino. A businessman like AB knows its easier to replace guys the lower they are on the food chain. Smitty gets a chance with 2 OCs, TD prolly gets a chance with at least 2 HCs, if not more. TD will be the last of everyone to go, its just the way it is, and it isn't going to happen anytime soon. As much as he talks about playoffs AB still knows how important it is to have a winning team every year.

I think you do Mr. blank injustice. Do believe he's an accute enough buisnessman to figure out the root problem, regardless of the foodchain.

Why do most think that TD is untouchable? Intitial success, 4 straight winning seasons, brought up team up from the ashes, etc. The same could be said about Smitty. The man after some initital success, MR, MT, Gonzo, and most recently, Lofton, Spoon. Counter that with Baker, P.Jerry,

R.Edward and DRob. Say what ever you will about the JJ acquistion, Great talent, but at what cost? The excuse train is getting filled up - Marlarkey, BVG, Boo have all left the station, who left? Maybe the conductor(TD). Bottom line - Smitty will be the last man standing, all aboard!

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I think you do Mr. blank injustice. Do believe he's an accute enough buisnessman to figure out the root problem, regardless of the foodchain.

Why do most think that TD is untouchable? Intitial success, 4 straight winning seasons, brought up team up from the ashes, etc. The same could be said about Smitty. The man after some initital success, MR, MT, Gonzo, and most recently, Lofton, Spoon. Counter that with Baker, P.Jerry,

R.Edward and DRob. Say what ever you will about the JJ acquistion, Great talent, but at what cost? The excuse train is getting filled up - Marlarkey, BVG, Boo have all left the station, who left? Maybe the conductor(TD). Bottom line - Smitty will be the last man standing, all aboard!

Do you think that MS and TD were in accord with the JJ deal? AB had to back that move TD made, and MS's philosophy as far as I can see contradicts

that entirely. My money is on MS going before TD...its already too late.

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Do you think that MS and TD were in accord with the JJ deal? AB had to back that move TD made, and MS's philosophy as far as I can see contradicts

that entirely. My money is on MS going before TD...its already too late.

I really don't know, but I'm sure some of the great minds here wwill weigh in with their opinions. Just me, but I truely believe accountabilty starts at the top.

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I think you do Mr. blank injustice. Do believe he's an accute enough buisnessman to figure out the root problem, regardless of the foodchain.

Why do most think that TD is untouchable? Intitial success, 4 straight winning seasons, brought up team up from the ashes, etc. The same could be said about Smitty. The man after some initital success, MR, MT, Gonzo, and most recently, Lofton, Spoon. Counter that with Baker, P.Jerry,

R.Edward and DRob. Say what ever you will about the JJ acquistion, Great talent, but at what cost? The excuse train is getting filled up - Marlarkey, BVG, Boo have all left the station, who left? Maybe the conductor(TD). Bottom line - Smitty will be the last man standing, all aboard!

He isn't untouchable, but its going to be a while before he starts to feel the heat. TD cant do much if a team can go 13-3 and flop in the postseason. At the very worst TD is an average GM, but in the NFL there are not many elite GMs. they are sort of like QBS a few elite ones and everyone else. I said it before, TD is the Matt Ryan of GMs, not the best but we could definitely do much worse.

A good deal of the problems we have had over the last few years point towards coaching, not talent deficiency. You dont win 13 games with a talentless roster and then flop in the postseason. TD cant make the guys more confident and have them show up on game day with aggression and fire. Thats not his job.

Also, lets look at the TD is the root of the problem claim. Smitty in your mind is the guy holding everything together, who hired Smitty? When I watch the game on sunday I dont talent holding us back, we have tons of talent on the roster. People can point and shout about the Oline or the D all day but in our last 2 postseason losses, and out last few losses to winning teams, it has been our coaching that has let us down the most. There isn't any excuse in the world to come out flat against the Giants and Saints, none at all. it shouldnt happen.

To even think that a GM will get dismissed before a HC is absolutely illogical. it just doesn't happen in the NFL, not a chance. The simple fact of the matter is that HCs in the NFL are much more replaceable that GMs that have had as much success as TD has had.

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He isn't untouchable, but its going to be a while before he starts to feel the heat. TD cant do much if a team can go 13-3 and flop in the postseason. At the very worst TD is an average GM, but in the NFL there are not many elite GMs. they are sort of like QBS a few elite ones and everyone else. I said it before, TD is the Matt Ryan of GMs, not the best but we could definitely do much worse.

A good deal of the problems we have had over the last few years point towards coaching, not talent deficiency. You dont win 13 games with a talentless roster and then flop in the postseason. TD cant make the guys more confident and have them show up on game day with aggression and fire. Thats not his job.

Also, lets look at the TD is the root of the problem claim. Smitty in your mind is the guy holding everything together, who hired Smitty? When I watch the game on sunday I dont talent holding us back, we have tons of talent on the roster. People can point and shout about the Oline or the D all day but in our last 2 postseason losses, and out last few losses to winning teams, it has been our coaching that has let us down the most. There isn't any excuse in the world to come out flat against the Giants and Saints, none at all. it shouldnt happen.

To even think that a GM will get dismissed before a HC is absolutely illogical. it just doesn't happen in the NFL, not a chance. The simple fact of the matter is that HCs in the NFL are much more replaceable that GMs that have had as much success as TD has had.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree my friend. What Thomas has sacrificed after thinking that after a 13-3 record,that we were 1 explosive offensive player away, from taking this team to the next level at the expense of shoring of both sides of the lines is downright criminal. Should be interesting tho, both coaches that most thought were the bad guys won't be here to be the MB shipping boys.

I'm sure, The Colts being the latest example, is one team that has dismissed their GM before their coach.

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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree my friend. What Thomas has sacrificed after thinking that after a 13-3 record,that we were 1 explosive offensive player away, from taking this team to the next level at the expense of shoring of both sides of the lines is downright criminal. Should be interesting tho, both coaches that most thought were the bad guys won't be here to be the MB shipping boys.

I'm sure, The Colts being the latest example, teams have dismissed their GM before their coach.

True, but if I'm not mistaken, Bill Polian was with the team since 1998 and hired three HCs during his tenure, in effect proving my point that the GM is typically the last person to go, especially on a successful football team. I've never heard of a successful GM get let go before his first HC did. It doesnt happen. Just as most successful HCs get to hire 2 or more coordinators before being let go, most GMS also get to hire 2 or more coaches. A GM, more than any other person on the team, dictates the direction of the franchise and the good ones are almost impossible to replace.
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Im thinking TD and Smitty are a package ..if Smith fails to lead team to playoff success think he will be let go and then TD is fired right behind him so this will allow new GM to come in and hire a NEW HC and decide what to do with Matt Ryan

Come on man...give it a rest. matt is not going anywhere. He is far better than you think. If there is one thing you prove yourself consistently wrong about it is this.

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Same results as this year- one and done- think they'll probably keep all members of the regime...except Koetter...Smith will get the axe if we dont make the post-season. TD will hopefully be here another couple of years. I think he deserves at least another HC hire barring absolute collapse this next year. I just see it being a good year. One playoff victory or even better

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