Steel City Falcon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know he's in a back up role now. But he and Vance Walker are the two biggest DTs that are on the roster. Jerry is the more talented of the two, but since his injury he hasn't shown anything really. But with his size maybe he would be able to play the NT in a 34 defense if Mike Nolan becomes the D Coord. and they chose to transition the defense to the 34.Just out of curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rob 64 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know he's in a back up role now. But he and Vance Walker are the two biggest DTs that are on the roster. Jerry is the more talented of the two, but since his injury he hasn't shown anything really. But with his size maybe he would be able to play the NT in a 34 defense if Mike Nolan becomes the D Coord. and they chose to transition the defense to the 34.Just out of curiosity.A better question: can Peria Jerry play at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 He couldn't play the banjo if he was on the Grand 'Ol Opry......He's a waste of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Falcon Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 A better question: can Peria Jerry play at all?So true lol.. I'm just hoping they can squeeze some worth out of his lazy azz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBorBust Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 All of our tackles are about the same size....I'm not sure any of them could make the switch to nose. Maybe Vance and Peters. I am excited to see how Babs and Peters fare at 34 DE,though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 NO NO NO.. ppl can wee stop with this 3-4.. if we did change then we would def need a nose tackle... Babs walker jerry peters none of them can play nose.. they are UNDERSIZED penertraiting DTs... Meaning there better suited in a one gap scheme which is wat we play.. a nose tackle has to be massive enough to eat up to gaps to allow the LBs to run free.. none of them can hold up like that.. the average nose tackle weighs about 325-330+... They need to be that big to be able to hold up... Jeezzzz...smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maorifalcon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 NO NO NO.. ppl can wee stop with this 3-4.. if we did change then we would def need a nose tackle... Babs walker jerry peters none of them can play nose.. they are UNDERSIZED penertraiting DTs... Meaning there better suited in a one gap scheme which is wat we play.. a nose tackle has to be massive enough to eat up to gaps to allow the LBs to run free.. none of them can hold up like that.. the average nose tackle weighs about 325-330+... They need to be that big to be able to hold up... Jeezzzz...smhLet's chuck Garrett reynolds in there :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Let's chuck Garrett reynolds in there :/yea right... He cbt even play with pad level on the o-line he would get destroyed play by play on the d-line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 NO NO NO.. ppl can wee stop with this 3-4.. if we did change then we would def need a nose tackle... Babs walker jerry peters none of them can play nose.. they are UNDERSIZED penertraiting DTs... Meaning there better suited in a one gap scheme which is wat we play.. a nose tackle has to be massive enough to eat up to gaps to allow the LBs to run free.. none of them can hold up like that.. the average nose tackle weighs about 325-330+... They need to be that big to be able to hold up...Jeezzzz...smhEver check the weight of Jay Ratliff? One of the best 34 NTs out there. It's possible. And, yes, it's possible for walker or Jerry to bulk up and play the NT. The reason being is both are short squatier guys. Regardless, there are always FAs or mid round NTs to be had.The bigger questions are: 1) Are we even hiring a 34 coach? 2) If we do, who are our 34 DEs?When you talk about average size of 34 DEs you're talking 6'5" to 6'6" guys weighing 300 to 310 guys with long arms. Babs is 6'2" 290 and Peters is about 6'3" . Neither remotely resemble a Richard Seymour, JJ Watt or Keisel in stature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maorifalcon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 yea right... He cbt even play with pad level on the o-line he would get destroyed play by play on the d-lineYou missed the sarcasm, but his size would be great for a 3-4 nt he's good at getting sacks too......................against him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Jerry would be a DE in a 3-4, he's not nearly fat enough to be a NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Jerry would be a DE in a 3-4, he's not nearly fat enough to be a NT.Peyton, not always true. Depends on the scheme. Look at Ratliff and look at the #1 overall defense the Texans--they have Shaun Cody at NT--6'4" 305. Jerry doesn't have the length to be a 34 DE. Almost all 34 DEs, including the Texans DEs (JJ Watt and Antone Smith) are 6'4' to 6'6", 295 to 315 with long arms and fairly good athletes. All our DTs are short and undersized. Jerry has a short big frame, with decent quickness and could bulk up and be a 34 NT potentially; but definitely not a 34 DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattRyan2Canton Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) that'd be a funny looking 34 with perry out there. i think you'd have to use him like a wide 9 tackle and have him just try and blow up the gaurd or center Edited January 17, 2012 by MattRyan2Canton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Ever check the weight of Jay Ratliff? One of the best 34 NTs out there. It's possible. And, yes, it's possible for walker or Jerry to bulk up and play the NT. The reason being is both are short squatier guys. Regardless, there are always FAs or mid round NTs to be had.The bigger questions are: 1) Are we even hiring a 34 coach? 2) If we do, who are our 34 DEs?When you talk about average size of 34 DEs you're talking 6'5" to 6'6" guys weighing 300 to 310 guys with long arms. Babs is 6'2" 290 and Peters is about 6'3" . Neither remotely resemble a Richard Seymour, JJ Watt or Keisel in staturetrying to make this defense a 3-4 would be a waste IMO.. yea a typical 3-4 DE is around the size but its not just abiut size tho... Its alo the players skill set, can babs edwards play a 3-4 end position... Smith of the 49ers is the best 34DE and he is a beast, but idk mYbe they can but thats too much of a risk in a year where i dnt think its smart to be experimenting when your trying to win now...Plus we dnt have anyone who can stand up which in a 3-4 the most important positions is the LB and nose.. both spots that our not our strongest in a 34 scheme... Abe left the jets cause he isnt a OLB, nor is kroy sid or edwards... This would be a disater if we tried this... But!!! If we went with a hybrid defense where we only used the 34 for blitz packages and only for 3rd n long then i wouldnt mind it cause we wouldnt need the protypical guys to run it... But as a base defense no way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Peyton, not always true. Depends on the scheme. Look at Ratliff and look at the #1 overall defense the Texans--they have Shaun Cody at NT--6'4" 305. Jerry doesn't have the length to be a 34 DE. Almost all 34 DEs, including the Texans DEs (JJ Watt and Antone Smith) are 6'4' to 6'6", 295 to 315 with long arms and fairly good athletes. All our DTs are short and undersized. Jerry has a short big frame, with decent quickness and could bulk up and be a 34 NT potentially; but definitely not a 34 DE.Ok, I admit....my perceptions of the way a 3-4 should work have been shaped by the New England Patriots.I don't really know how Jerry will fit in if the Falcons switch. I hope the Falcons find a way for him to succeed.After watching the guy beast all night against the Eagles in week 2, his disappearing act this year has been a mystery to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirdz10984 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 we need a Haynesworth or BJ Raji type body out there. ALL of our D-Line guys are to small to play a NT. they would fit will in at a 3-4 DE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Peyton, not always true. Depends on the scheme. Look at Ratliff and look at the #1 overall defense the Texans--they have Shaun Cody at NT--6'4" 305. Jerry doesn't have the length to be a 34 DE. Almost all 34 DEs, including the Texans DEs (JJ Watt and Antone Smith) are 6'4' to 6'6", 295 to 315 with long arms and fairly good athletes. All our DTs are short and undersized. Jerry has a short big frame, with decent quickness and could bulk up and be a 34 NT potentially; but definitely not a 34 DE.shaun aka mount cody was around 330+ most nose tackles are around that weight.. phil taylor is around that, wilkfork, you can get a smaller guy but its not just about weight, they gotta be able to have that skill to get the job done... If your not as big then you gotta be that much more athletic enough to handle both gaps being undersized for the position... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didz Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well we have seen what Peria Jerry has done as a 4-3 DT. It can't be any worse as a 3-4 DE. 3-4 DT may be pushing it since he doesn't have the complete skill set as a Jay Ratliff or other 3-4 DT's. Who knows with Jerry, I think he gave up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since68andcounting Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I know he's in a back up role now. But he and Vance Walker are the two biggest DTs that are on the roster. Jerry is the more talented of the two, but since his injury he hasn't shown anything really. But with his size maybe he would be able to play the NT in a 34 defense if Mike Nolan becomes the D Coord. and they chose to transition the defense to the 34.Just out of curiosity.Based on the way I saw him pushed around by 3rd and 4th stringers in preseason, no. He can barely handle a single blocker, much less a double team. This draft pick has been almost as disappointing as JA98. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Babs has been double teamed all season, and he's already "bigger" than the Texans NT, he could easily bulk up another 15 lbs and I think he'd be solid...but I'd rather have a premier NT, those guys are seriously undervalued in FA so I think we could get one for less expensive and trade some of our DT depth for picks.If anything? I want a hybrid D. I like our line, and I think we can get pressure with better coaching and another playmaker opposite Abe. Edited January 17, 2012 by Falcan Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBorBust Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 shaun aka mount cody was around 330+ most nose tackles are around that weight.. phil taylor is around that, wilkfork, you can get a smaller guy but its not just about weight, they gotta be able to have that skill to get the job done... If your not as big then you gotta be that much more athletic enough to handle both gaps being undersized for the position...you're thinking of the wrong guy....no one has every called the texans shaun cody mount cody. All of our DEs are about the same size as shaun cody and earl mitchell.....besides Nolan runs a hybrid. Go look at the dolphins DEs they're not your prototypical 34 line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 you're thinking of the wrong guy....no one has every called the texans shaun cody mount cody. All of our DEs are about the same size as shaun cody and earl mitchell.....besides Nolan runs a hybrid. Go look at the dolphins DEs they're not your prototypical 34 line.your right i am.. im thinking of baltimores DT cody... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest King Shot Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 There is not a 3-4 Nose Tackle on this team. There are plenty in FA and the Draft, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerillaOntology Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Absolutely not. He gets manhandled as an UT in a 4-3. No way he could hold his own as a NT in a 3-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) 34 is a fail if we decide to go there next year.We don't have the personel to do it and basically your trying to overhaul our 43 that finished in the top 10 or there abouts all that tells me is the DC that comes in just needs a couple of personel changes upfront and gets more aggressive with playcalling and getting to the QB.Where do westart we are asking guys like Sid Biermann to become rush OLBers how are these guys going to work out in coverage because they will be asked to do it.NT you'd have to go get one maybe a Shawn Rogers or Abruyo Franklin from the Aints are a couple I'd look at.For us next year and I'm serious about this I'd have a look at adding Albert Haynesworth to our defensive front as a specialist NT I'm ducking for cover now so flame away. Edited January 17, 2012 by kiwifalcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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