Rev_Hal Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 If the Falcons cannot fix the offensive line.I'm sold on Ryan at QB. Turner and Gonzo have a few top years left in them. White and Jones should be a feared tandem of receivers, and the 2nd tier (Douglas) can move the ball as well. We have the tools in teh skill positions, but the OL has to be improved.No one is going to be successful running our offense until We can better protect the QB and establish better running lanes. I hope Koetter can get more out of this unit.When we lost Dahl, I was not concerned. I saw him as the weakest of the free agents last year. But his replacement never materialized, and injuries to several other OL's hurt this unit. Even when healthy, they did not play anywhere near the level of play in 2010.If we dont upgrade the line, it doesn't matter who the coordinator is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Yea, obviously ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vafalconfan Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I agree. LT and RG are priorities in 2012. Our DC will be the real difference maker I believe. I read we're in a bidding war over Spags and Nolan with the saints. That will suck if we lose out to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin' In DC Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 And there you have it. It is my beleif that even when Matt had time late in the season that after being pummeled in the first several games he got happy feet. He should have been a little more solid but I agree that our Offensive line needs get a whole lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Falcon Fan Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 If the Falcons cannot fix the offensive line.I'm sold on Ryan at QB. Turner and Gonzo have a few top years left in them. White and Jones should be a feared tandem of receivers, and the 2nd tier (Douglas) can move the ball as well. We have the tools in teh skill positions, but the OL has to be improved.No one is going to be successful running our offense until We can better protect the QB and establish better running lanes. I hope Koetter can get more out of this unit.When we lost Dahl, I was not concerned. I saw him as the weakest of the free agents last year. But his replacement never materialized, and injuries to several other OL's hurt this unit. Even when healthy, they did not play anywhere near the level of play in 2010.If we dont upgrade the line, it doesn't matter who the coordinator is.Exactly Rev. No personnel improvements there is no difference between last season and next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 How do we upgrade the oline with no 1st or 4th round picks ? Isn't the oline issue suppose to be GM jobWe allowed 26 sacks on season ranked 6th . Can that stat be misleading cause I believe the talent on oline is avg but I also fear our QB is avg his stats don't prove he is average they are very good and so our oline stats they rank pretty well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_Hal Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 How do we upgrade the oline with no 1st or 4th round picks ? Isn't the oline issue suppose to be GM jobWe allowed 26 sacks on season ranked 6th . Can that stat be misleading cause I believe the talent on oline is avg but I also fear our QB is avg his stats don't prove he is average they are very good and so our oline stats they rank pretty wellBlank and Dimitroff said they would be aggressive in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirdz10984 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 How do we upgrade the oline with no 1st or 4th round picks ? Isn't the oline issue suppose to be GM jobWe allowed 26 sacks on season ranked 6th . Can that stat be misleading cause I believe the talent on oline is avg but I also fear our QB is avg his stats don't prove he is average they are very good and so our oline stats they rank pretty wellhave any idea how much talent comes out of late round picks?every heard of FA's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 If the Falcons cannot fix the offensive line.I'm sold on Ryan at QB. Turner and Gonzo have a few top years left in them. White and Jones should be a feared tandem of receivers, and the 2nd tier (Douglas) can move the ball as well. We have the tools in teh skill positions, but the OL has to be improved.No one is going to be successful running our offense until We can better protect the QB and establish better running lanes. I hope Koetter can get more out of this unit.When we lost Dahl, I was not concerned. I saw him as the weakest of the free agents last year. But his replacement never materialized, and injuries to several other OL's hurt this unit. Even when healthy, they did not play anywhere near the level of play in 2010.If we dont upgrade the line, it doesn't matter who the coordinator is.I agree; but I think the other facet missing (for both OCs) is that pass-catching rb out of the backfield. Turner is a plodding, pounding guy--nice to have--but we weren't exactly fooling offenses when he was in. They knew he wasn't a pass catcher. The whole pound the middle, establish play-action is fine against lesser teams; but teams with elite pass rushers and lines simply clog the lanes and let their secondary stay back in coverage. I'm not saying cut Turner (unless it's cost prohibitive) but I do say I see a platoon where the rb is also part of passing game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_Hal Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 I agree. LT and RG are priorities in 2012. Our DC will be the real difference maker I believe. I read we're in a bidding war over Spags and Nolan with the saints. That will suck if we lose out to them.Center was a problem as well. McClure is nearing the end of his career, and unfortunately, he is not Todd Weiner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_Hal Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 I agree; but I think the other facet missing (for both OCs) is that pass-catching rb out of the backfield. Turner is a plodding, pounding guy--nice to have--but we weren't exactly fooling offenses when he was in. They knew he wasn't a pass catcher. The whole pound the middle, establish play-action is fine against lesser teams; but teams with elite pass rushers and lines simply clog the lanes and let their secondary stay back in coverage. I'm not saying cut Turner (unless it's cost prohibitive) but I do say I see a platoon where the rb is also part of passing gameEvery team wants a Sproles. There just aren't that many great guys out there. I'd like to see what we do with Rogers next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 How do we upgrade the oline with no 1st or 4th round picks ? Isn't the oline issue suppose to be GM jobWe allowed 26 sacks on season ranked 6th . Can that stat be misleading cause I believe the talent on oline is avg but I also fear our QB is avg his stats don't prove he is average they are very good and so our oline stats they rank pretty wellAs for OL we'll have to improve it through free agency. As for Ryan, we'll have to see if year 5 is pivotal and if he improves like other QB's (Eli, Brees, and Rodgers) did in their 5th years. Ryan may be average, but he is the best we're going to have for a while, and I think he'll get over the hump. We have to improve the OL, and the offensive philosophy. Ryan needs to start pulling the trigger like Eli does, and let the chips fall where they may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Blank and Dimitroff said they would be aggressive in free agency.So were going to spend big bucks on oline ? . We can sign Nicks and a Tackle and have 100 million tied up in guards and we rebuild oline into a beast Bell and NicksThen we are letting Grimes and Abe walk and hurt our defenseWe have 22-25 mil in cap it would take big bucks to land 2 talent oline You don't win in this league by continuing to be big spenders in Free agency The elite teams build through the draft .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 have any idea how much talent comes out of late round picks?every heard of FA's?Has our GM shown he can do anything with late round picks ?It's been 4 years he has shown he can't even draft a serviceable oline even in early rounds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I agree. LT and RG are priorities in 2012. Our DC will be the real difference maker I believe. I read we're in a bidding war over Spags and Nolan with the saints. That will suck if we lose out to them.Nolan is still under contract to the Dolphins and won't be available until their new coach is in place and decides whether he wants to let him go. Spags has his choice of locations and Philly would be a great landing spot for him unless Reid's pride prevents the phone call. Let's get forget about the "sexy hire" for DC. That is what ticked everybody off about the OC search: wanting to get a "name" coach for an assistant coaching job. I'll be happy with anybody other than Van Gorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconJim Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Rev, Rev, Rev....the Koetter hire doesn't even matter? I beg to disagree with you, bro. Points win games. Doesn't it make sense that the right/wrong OC can mean the difference in being successful, or not? I mean, I'm willing to give the guy a chance here, with a better, more seasoned QB, and a top flight receiving corps. But, it better not take him more than a year or two to get us over the hump (i.e. playoff wins, and maybe a SB), or I'll begin to think he's what I thought he was.....jmo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 A team is only as good as the coaches calling the plays and getting the most out of the players. Raiders can spend every penny on top free agents every year and still the coaching staff kills the entire team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samtown7 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 You guys are right when I see Tom Brady standing flat footed and picking apart other teams I know that is why we can't get anywhere.If we get a good OL and Matt still has happy feet then its on the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*TMo* Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Offensive line must be upgraded for this offense to be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Been saying this for the last 15 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) I've been wondering,Baker, Reynolds, Hawley, M. Johnson, (Valdez), A Jackson (IR)have not really developed like many thought they would.My questionS:1) did TD pick players with little talent?2) was MM offensive scheme hard to pick up or difficult to execute?3) IS Paul Boudreau a good offensive line coach?4) will Koetter keep Boudreau or bring in his own guy for the O-line? Edited January 16, 2012 by delaigle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconry Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Let's start with one of these guys in the second round.D.J. Fluker**, OT, Alabama Height: 6-6. Weight: 335. Projected 40 Time: 5.10. Projected Round (2012): 1-2. 12/14/11: Fluker was real force at right tackle for Alabama this season. He has been a strong run blocker paving the way for Trent Richardson. If Barrett Jones leaves for the NFL, it will be interesting to see if Fluker stays and moves to left tackle for next season. Fluker looks like he could be a quick starter at right tackle after getting drafted and is a natural at the position.8/20/11: D.J. Fluker is a big-time tackle prospect who was a dominant force in the SEC last year. He's athletic as a pass protector, and a bulldozer as a run blocker. Fluker may hold off on declaring for the draft even though he will be eligible. This is only his sophomore season, and if Fluker returns, he could be the one of the top tackles in the 2013 draft class. Most of the time, Nick Saban works his players hard for them to stay in school.Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State Height: 6-8. Weight: 320. Projected 40 Time: 5.12. Projected Round (2012): 2. 12/14/11: Adams has played reasonably well after returning from his suspension. Ohio State's offense became much better when they got him back. He continued to have some issues with speed rushers. Illinois speed rushing end Whitney Mercilus torched Adams for 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble. That weakness could prompt his moving to right tackle in the NFL. He is a strong run blocker who should be an asset in the ground game.8/20/11: Mike Adams broke into the lineup as a sophomore and became a first-team Big Ten standout as a junior. He is a powerful run blocker who could be a better fit as a right tackle at the pro level. Smaller speed rushers can give Adams some problems in pass protection, but they are easy wins for him in run blocking. Therefore, right tackle may be his best spot in the NFL as he won't have to go up against as many speed rushers to match up with there. Adams will be suspended the first five games of the season, and previously was suspended the first two games of the 2010 season. The off-the-field issues could make it hard for him to go in the first round.Nate Potter, OT, Boise State Height: 6-6. Weight: 300. Projected 40 Time: 5.14. Projected Round (2012): 2. 12/14/11: Potter has had a quality season. He does not have elite physical talent, and that pushes him into the second day. Potter is one of the few left tackle options who should be available after the first round. He had a strong debut against Georgia, the best team Boise State faced this season. Potter constantly gave quarterback Kellen Moore ample time to throw the ball. Even though Potter is not a heavy tackle, he showed the strength to anchor against bull rushers. Potter needs to increase his strength and power to be an adequate run blocker in the NFL.8/20/11: The Broncos standout Nate Potter enters the season as the pass protector for a prolific college quarterback in Kellen Moore. Potter has good feet and is quick. He is able to get to the second level of the defense and pull well to hit defenders on the run. For the NFL, it would be helpful for Potter to add some strength. That would allow him to keep a hold on defenders rather than them being able to disengage from his blocks, an issue he needs to improve on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_falcon_fly Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I agree. LT and RG are priorities in 2012. Our DC will be the real difference maker I believe. I read we're in a bidding war over Spags and Nolan with the saints. That will suck if we lose out to them.Well they cant hire both ! So hopefully we will get one or the other. I hope Spags though but Nolan may not be bad either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamPlayer1 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 In my opinion the o line and the d line are the most important 9 players on the roster. As they go so goes a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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