Darkflight Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Made a quick split screen video just to take a look at some of the pressure both Eli and Matt faced in the Falcons playoff lost to the Giants. I tried to find passing plays with similar pressure and formations (ie shotgun or under center). In my opinion Eli's ability to improvise when protection broke down was the biggest difference in the two offenses. Its only a minute or so. Enjoy. Edited January 15, 2012 by Darkflight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyHighFalcons Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Watched up to :56 so far. This proves NOTHING. Only one Eli play had a better result that Matt's plays and that's because nobody contained so he got room to run. Matt went to run and there was three guys there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 pick Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 They don't want to hear you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) This isn't terribly surprsing. Eli has much more experience than Ryan and would know better how to handle pressure. Ryan flashes this ability as well but is less consistent. Edited January 15, 2012 by hjerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 This doesn't say much since the offensive and defensive plays aren't the exact same. We don't know whats going on in other parts of the field or the plays being called. Both of those things influence plays differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Watched up to :56 so far. This proves NOTHING. Only one Eli play had a better result that Matt's plays and that's because nobody contained so he got room to run. Matt went to run and there was three guys there.So you don't believe Eli did a better job improvising when the protection broke down? People are always complaining about Matt's time in the pocket but Eli had the same amount of time or less. He made things happen even when the protection wasn't there. I just want Matt's awareness to improve so that he can make some of those plays when we need them the most. Is that possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 This doesn't say much since the offensive and defensive plays aren't the exact same. We don't know whats going on in other parts of the field or the plays being called. Both of those things influence plays differently.So you don't think Eli handles the pressure better than Matt in these clips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee sunset Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Just show the play Eli made in Super Bowl (completion to Tyree)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyHighFalcons Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Big difference in defenses as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Maybe my eyes are deceiving me, but I just say Ei slide on 3rd and 8, in the open field, 3 yds short of a 1st down, Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Big difference in defenses as well.Still not answering my question. Do you think Eli does a better job at improvising than MAtt when the protection breaks down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Does this not scream poor play design? I mean come on Dark Flight, now that MM is gone you don't have to back him any more. Eli can improvise when he has routes to throw to. When all of Ryan's routes are run to the sidelines, the guys on the backside are automatically out of the play when Ryan rolls out of the pocket. The guys on the side he rolls to are already on the sideline that they have no where to go. You don't take in to account the plays, just the time. Justifies nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 The 56 second mark is the only difference in play making ability. Even looking at the play with Ryan at that same spot he had no where to throw and stepped into it. At 19 seconds when showing them running, when Eli Ran down the field there was only 1 Falcon in pursuit while in Ryan's run there are 4 Blue Jersey's directly infront of him.Look at 42 seconds, every single dline beat our o line, seriously should our QB have to be mobile because our oline can't block?Great job on the clip. Although I didn't see anything that would make me say one QB would be able to lead the team to the Superbowl over the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Does this not scream poor play design? I mean come on Dark Flight, now that MM is gone you don't have to back him any more. Eli can improvise when he has routes to throw to. When all of Ryan's routes are run to the sidelines, the guys on the backside are automatically out of the play when Ryan rolls out of the pocket. The guys on the side he rolls to are already on the sideline that they have no where to go.You don't take in to account the plays, just the time. Justifies nothing.Ahhh Vel...I knew your reasoning for Matt's lack improvisation would involve MM. I'm glad MM is gone. No more excuses for the players not executing. Of course now everyone will just blame Koetter if the players screw up again this season. I promise you if there are excessive drops, inaccurate passes, bad blocking, stupid penalties, and happy feet dances in the pocket we'll get the same results as we did this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Uhhh....Yea im just not gonna bother with this one. Points for poduction value though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconMama Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 The protection won't always be perfect. It's up to Matt Ryan to step up and make a play. Scared, passive, pussified football won't cut it. Point, blank, period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Ahhh Vel...I knew your reasoning for Matt's lack improvisation would involve MM. I'm glad MM is gone. No more excuses for the players not executing. Of course now everyone will just blame Koetter if the players screw up again this season. I promise you if there are excessive drops, inaccurate passes, bad blocking, stupid penalties, and happy feet dances in the pocket we'll get the same results as we did this year.Just look at the plays. You have them on tape. That dump off to Rodgers was clearly by design. When Ryan rolled out and was at the sideline, nobody was open because everybody else was on the sideline. This just disproves your argument for the OLine being the problem. He had the same time as Eli and Brees. Yes we had drops. But why didn't Ryan throw it to somebody open like you showed Eli and Brees doing in their videos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 The 56 second mark is the only difference in play making ability. Even looking at the play with Ryan at that same spot he had no where to throw and stepped into it. At 19 seconds when showing them running, when Eli Ran down the field there was only 1 Falcon in pursuit while in Ryan's run there are 4 Blue Jersey's directly infront of him.Look at 42 seconds, every single dline beat our o line, seriously should our QB have to be mobile because our oline can't block?Great job on the clip. Although I didn't see anything that would make me say one QB would be able to lead the team to the Superbowl over the other.If you still have the game on dvr like I do go back and look at the momentum the Giants and their fans got from the plays Eli made. Sometimes that's all it takes to get your team going. Once he made something out of nothing the team took off. When is that going to happen for us on the big stage? Is that something Ryan can learn or are we doomed unless we get an oline as good as the Patriots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkflight Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just look at the plays. You have them on tape. That dump off to Rodgers was clearly by design. When Ryan rolled out and was at the sideline, nobody was open because everybody else was on the sideline. This just disproves your argument for the OLine being the problem. He had the same time as Eli and Brees. Yes we had drops. But why didn't Ryan throw it to somebody open like you showed Eli and Brees doing in their videos?I see two players open on the other side of the field. Sure its not easy to see them when you're heading in the other direction but at some point you need to make ONE amazing play. Just one to motivate your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Ahhh Vel...I knew your reasoning for Matt's lack improvisation would involve MM. I'm glad MM is gone. No more excuses for the players not executing. Of course now everyone will just blame Koetter if the players screw up again this season. I promise you if there are excessive drops, inaccurate passes, bad blocking, stupid penalties, and happy feet dances in the pocket we'll get the same results as we did this year.Just look at the plays. You have them on tape. That dump off to Rodgers was clearly by design. When Ryan rolled out and was at the sideline, nobody was open because everybody else was on the sideline. This just disproves your argument for the OLine being the problem. He had the same time as Eli and Brees. Yes we had drops. But why didn't Ryan throw it to somebody open like you showed Eli and Brees doing in their videos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Eli handles pressure better than Matt Ryan. Eli usually will side step or move up in the pocket when someone comes in unblocked. Matt Ryan has a tendency to run to the side or stay frozen instead of making a decisive move to make the pass rusher miss.Eli has more experience and I think that makes all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl/0 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Nobody is answering your question Darkflight because that would mean bringing up Ryan's athleticism. If you live in the Atlanta area and listened to sports radio they were roasting Ryan for being so inept in that category and why Oline is such a big issue to some on this board because Ryan is not good enough to make a play on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pencilpusher. just because Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Made a quick split screen video just to take a look at some of the pressure both Eli and Matt faced in the Falcons playoff lost to the Giants. I tried to find passing plays with similar pressure and formations (ie shotgun or under center). In my opinion Eli's ability to improvise when protection broke down was the biggest difference in the two offenses. Its only a minute or so. Enjoy. they won't listen man. Matt is just no good at improvising. The slammed me when Dallaslost to the giants, yet Romo, under constant pressure, in two games put up 600 yards . 6 tds and 1 int, (WHILE GETTING SACKED 9 TIMES) because of his feet. He should have been sacked 15 or so times. I said before the game, I can't see Ryan being able to improvise like Romo so they had better figure out things quick, because even tho they were calling the Giants king of the NFCLeast, they were no joke. BUT they laughed and dismissed my comments just as they will these, simply to defend Ryan or blame the O line. The giants make most Olines look bad, its still up to the QB to create and produce. Ryan did not ...at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pencilpusher. just because Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 The protection won't always be perfect. It's up to Matt Ryan to step up and make a play. Scared, passive, pussified football won't cut it. Point, blank, period!THAT is why I love Falconmama.Compare her post to mine. we are on one wavelength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-RoC770 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Clearly the thread starter shows us that Matty Ice threw with his left arm in the giants game, that's why they put up 0 points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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