Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I just came to this thought seriously a couple seconds ago and instantly thought it is possibly not even close. I dont think it is close personally. Never seen a Qb so vital to his teams success criticized so much.....EVER!!! Really though what do you guys think. What qb with a career winning percentage even close to ryans has been as heavily criticized?? Good history lesson coming i can feel it...FS70 or any oldtimer's opinions very welcome Heck Very Very Welcome...Its actually now officially a challenge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Man, that's a hard call......let me explain why.Ryan (and to a lesser degree Flacco) set a new standard 4 years ago for rookie QB's achievement level. Ryan received a lot of pub and attention after the '08 season....but the national sports press has somewhat abandoned him as the Falcons ascension has stagnated.Tom Brady got 2 more passing TDs in the first half against the Broncos (5) than Matt Ryan has in 3 playoff games total (3). I don't bring up that stat to slam Ryan....only to highlight the idea and fact that when most of the national sports attention is on Ryan (big regular season games and playoffs) he doesn't produce.Does that make him underrated? I don't know. It certainly leaves him room to grab that attention back if he starts producing in those high profile scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Man, that's a hard call......let me explain why.Ryan (and to a lesser degree Flacco) set a new standard 4 years ago for rookie QB's achievement level. Ryan received a lot of pub and attention after the '08 season....but the national sports press has somewhat abandoned him as the Falcons ascension has stagnated.Tom Brady got 2 more passing TDs in the first half against the Broncos (5) than Matt Ryan has in 3 playoff games total (3). I don't bring up that stat to slam Ryan....only to highlight the idea and fact that when most of the national sports attention is on Ryan (big regular season games and playoffs) he doesn't produce.Does that make him underrated? I don't know. It certainly leaves him room to grab that attention back if he starts producing in those high profile scenarios.I can't argue against your logic. One thing to point out about Brady is that statistically he wasn't peaking when the pats won the SBs. They had a stud defense and stout running game. If I'm not mistaken (too lazy to look up), I think Brady had 3 playoff game losing streak until last night despite being an elite (that's an understatement!) statistical QB.But the difference between Ryan and Brady are the 3 rings on Brady's fingers, regardless.In closing, I still see Ryan as the foundation of our future sucess. We just have to build on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I can't argue against your logic. One thing to point out about Brady is that statistically he wasn't peaking when the pats won the SBs. They had a stud defense and stout running game. If I'm not mistaken (too lazy to look up), I think Brady had 3 playoff game losing streak until last night despite being an elite (that's an understatement!) statistical QB.Truth....I think Brady realizes right now that he has to stay in Beast Mode with that shaky D the Pats have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Flacco is pretty heavily criticized with a similar win/loss record. As a matter of fact, I'd say Flacco is more criticized.I'm not saying it's not warranted. I'm just answering your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I've thought about this:What if Smith, Dimitroff, and our coordinators as a whole just really aren't that good? What if it has been Ryan that has kept the team afloat. I don't doubt him being very understanding but often it seems our staff doesn't correctly prepare him for games.Dimitroff has more misses than hits in the draft and free agency. Smith makes a lot of boneheaded calls.What if we just need a coach or coordinator to come along that can actually prepare Ryan for a game and Ryan shows he is the only reason we've had these winning years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Truth....I think Brady realizes right now that he has to stay in Beast Mode with that shaky D the Pats have.Agree. Matt is going to be fine, however; possibly HOF fine when his career is over. Matt was placed more in the Peyton situation as a young player than Brady. Peyton took over a horrid team just like Matt, and found success early, but it took time to get to the SB. 9 long years, and a lot of draft picks and building took place. Not to knock Brady, but what the Pats found out was that HE WAS THE MISSING PIECE. Those pat teams were loaded with playmakers; particularly on defense. McGinnest, Milloy, Bruschi, Ty Warren, Seymour...the list is long and amazing.And to an extent, Flacco was a lot like Brady (minus the SB rings); the Ravens were a good to great team long before Joe came to town. I honestly don't think Flacco would have been as successful as Matt has been had we drafted him.In closing, Matt is heading to his fifth year and never really had a stud Offensive line; had a shaky defense and still delivers. He has weapons for sure; but the Falcons are still far from loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Now that Alex Smith has removed himself from the list of underrated/written off Qbs, the list is a little smaller. To me, Flacco has already been off that list a long time because of his post-season success, he's just not adored by the media so he gets no hype.What i've noticed is that QBs tend to become more of a team leader as they get older; with age confidence in thier game is built, thier poise becomes better, the players around them tend to play better, knowledge becomes a weapon. Tom Brady doesnt even move his feet, for goodness sake, he just stands there. His poise is incredible.That said, i think Matt Ryan still has some growing to do but i think he's the next one to remove himself from that list. He has won some big games for us, and looked great doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 I cant be honest while defending his playoff resume because theres not much to argue. He has played poorly or average in each game at best. Granted in his favor is that dead weight Ryan has been forced to carry. I think these struggles are going to be a very big part of Matts Career. This is the type of season and situation that the smart players use as an advantage to expand their game. Matts kind of smart from what i hear. This could possibly be the perfect situation for Ryan going forward. With actuall inventive playcalling matt doesnt have to be an athlete or any of those things people seem to wish he had. He just needs to play his own cereberal Brand of quarterbacking and he will excell. He just has the tools to do it. Just one requirement: if he is merely not hindered by lack of room to grow he will do just that as proven before us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Now that Alex Smith has removed himself from the list of underrated/written off Qbs, the list is a little smaller. To me, Flacco has already been off that list a long time because of his post-season success, he's just not adored by the media so he gets no hype.What i've noticed is that QBs tend to become more of a team leader as they get older; with age confidence in thier game is built, thier poise becomes better, the players around them tend to play better, knowledge becomes a weapon. Tom Brady doesnt even move his feet, for goodness sake, he just stands there. His poise is incredible.That said, i think Matt Ryan still has some growing to do but i think he's the next one to remove himself from that list. He has won some big games for us, and looked great doing it.Thats the most common theme to these examples of failure. They are almost always equalled by promise proven time and time again. For almost every very condemning stat or sign surfaced, we have we have an almost equally telling stat that says how good we can truly be. almost seems like either we really suck or where really good in every department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden Child Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I've thought about this:What if Smith, Dimitroff, and our coordinators as a whole just really aren't that good? What if it has been Ryan that has kept the team afloat. I don't doubt him being very understanding but often it seems our staff doesn't correctly prepare him for games.Dimitroff has more misses than hits in the draft and free agency. Smith makes a lot of boneheaded calls.What if we just need a coach or coordinator to come along that can actually prepare Ryan for a game and Ryan shows he is the only reason we've had these winning years.I tend to agree with your "what if" statements. I think it is obvious that Ryan was coached to be cautious. I think MS and company were concerned about his number of interceptions. I agree with watching turnovers as well, but I don't agree with coaching the aggressiveness out of your best player.As far as Dimitroff goes, I'm really concerned at these decisions too, but I'll hold off judgement until I see a change of philosophy. I mean, Peria Jelly can't really be that bad right? Ray Edwards has multiple moves to get to the quaterback right? Thomas Decoud is indeed a ball hawkiing safety right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Perry Fewell the DC of the Giants pretty much nailed it when he said that Ryan doesnt handle crowd noise well at all. He chokes in loud visiting stadiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Perry Fewell the DC of the Giants pretty much nailed it when he said that Ryan doesnt handle crowd noise well at all. He chokes in loud visiting stadiums.The Raiders game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pencilpusher. just because Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I just came to this thought seriously a couple seconds ago and instantly thought it is possibly not even close. I dont think it is close personally. Never seen a Qb so vital to his teams success criticized so much.....EVER!!! Really though what do you guys think. What qb with a career winning percentage even close to ryans has been as heavily criticized?? Good history lesson coming i can feel it...FS70 or any oldtimer's opinions very welcome Heck Very Very Welcome...Its actually now officially a challenge...guess you never heard of Tony Romo, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consistentfalcon Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I just came to this thought seriously a couple seconds ago and instantly thought it is possibly not even close. I dont think it is close personally. Never seen a Qb so vital to his teams success criticized so much.....EVER!!! Really though what do you guys think. What qb with a career winning percentage even close to ryans has been as heavily criticized?? Good history lesson coming i can feel it...FS70 or any oldtimer's opinions very welcome Heck Very Very Welcome...Its actually now officially a challenge...In this case unfortunately its a team sport and the big names with great stats have a better team surrounding than does Ryan. foulcns dirt bags are at best average and if you think back look how many passes jones and white dropped in crucial situations. You are only as good as the cast around you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who?lio jones Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Flacco is pretty heavily criticized with a similar win/loss record. As a matter of fact, I'd say Flacco is more criticized.I'm not saying it's not warranted. I'm just answering your question.You're absolutely correct. If anything, ryan is OVERRATED, while flacco receives endless criticism. Ryanettes want to talk about her great regular season record against the gum on the bottom of the shoes of the league, while ignoring his whodini act in bigger games, while flacco sports a good record and similar stats, not to mention the ability to go to places like pittsburgh and win on the road, and also win in the playoffs, all while ryan sports the much more favorable offensive weaponry. lets get real here ryanettes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who?lio jones Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 The Raiders game?this is exactly what im talking about. you have to go back years to find evidence supporting ryan in several instances. pathetic. ill take flacco newton stafford any day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 pick Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) If there is anything I want Ryan to do this off-season it's three things.1. Grow some balls. Everyone knows he's soft, we need him to be the ultimate competitor like he was as a rookie. His rookie season is overrated on here but one thing that wasn't was the fact that he had a slight edge which he doesn't today.2. Weight Room. Gain 15 pounds of overall muscle like Tom Brady. Ryan needs to be at 235 with cannon guns for arms. We need him to improve his velocity badly because his deep balls have more air than Delta.3. Become the leader that they hyped you to be. A leader isn't someone who runs his mouth and players roll their eyes once you walk away. A leader is someone who takes the bull by the horn and willing to do whatever it takes to get the W. The film room doesn't make you a leader.Ryan works hard every year in the film-room but the film-room is not his issue. It's physical. This is a physical game, you can't be Ryan type soft if you expect to win or else you will be up in the booth like Chad Pennington talking about the ones who are still in it and did take it serious in the weight room. Sometimes I think guys like Ryan look at QB's who never work out and won and say I can do it too like Big Ben, Eli, and Peyton. Those guys just have a lot of physical ability as it is. Ryan needs to do what, Cam, RGIII, Brady, McNabb, Tebow, and even a bust like Brady Quinn did. Get in the weight room and build up your strength. Edited January 15, 2012 by #1 pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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