who?lio jones Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Or the offensive philosophy IS the problem. GIVE IT A REST. We know how you and a few other feel.But you MUST know, right, that TD isn't going to give up on Ryan any time soon. He WILL be our QB next year and the year after that, etc, etc-- not matter how many times you say you don't want it to be so.I agree, TD is an arrogant stubborn egomaniac. TD will go down with Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0d1gy Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I have no problem with running the football. That said, you have to look at your division rival and realize that you are going to aggressively put up points and not simply play "keep away" from Drew Brees.If we promote Bratkowski, or go with a Brian Schottenheimer, Dirk Koetter type, I'm going to be a much harsher critic of mike Smith and Thomas Dimitroff.We need to be look toward the Patriots, Packers, and (blecch) Ain'ts in terms of getting our offense where it needs to be. Not at freaking Jags or Jets. The rules aren't going to change and bring back the 1970s. Evolve or die.I completely agree, I would also be happy with someone off that Bengals staff from this year. They obvioulsy know how to teach proper blocking techniques and get the most out of young players. Green and Dalton lit it up and it's not as if their O line is amazing, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 If Smith keeps this boring predictable offense I will really start to dislike him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niels petersen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Nothing wrong with running the football - just something wrong with being predictable, and having an incompetent passing game to complement the running game..Look at the Aints.. They have gotten their running game going over the last couple of seasons, which really is what makes them extra dangerous, because it allows for multiple ways to attack a defense.. We have to run the ball - but we do not have to run the ball predictably an into a wall of defenders.. I hope Smith sees the difference. Edited January 11, 2012 by niels petersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niels petersen Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) This is a great example of the way offenses are built these days.. You throw the ball to score points, then you run the ball effectively to keep that lead. That is what most of the great teams do.. http://pick256.wordpress.com/2012/01/10/pass-play-percentages-1970-2011/We need to have a balanced offense, and that means running the ball to chew up clock sometimes.. But a balanced offense also means having a competent passing game, that can really score.. I hope Smith and TD are aware of that, cause even TD seems to believe that with the way he traded up for Julio. Edited January 11, 2012 by niels petersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i have no problem with the philosophy. the problem was play calling out of that philosophy and the predictability of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Mike Smith knows he has a QB that doest have that IT or swagger to be a stud QB .Smith is smart .... game management from Ryantake care of oline and allow Turner to do his thingAre you the poster formerly known as Grendel? Those on the board a long time will know who I'm talking about. Dude, seriously! Fine Matt's not elite yet; but he has done nothing but improve every year. If he was a 4th year guy, completing 50% of his passes and hovering at 2800 yds, with more ints than TDs; I'd understand the hate. But he's not. Is he more Matt Hassleback or Pennington (pre-injury) than Manning or Brady? Probably is. But guess what those are/were good QBs. The kid is constantly improving and in a dang conservative/archaic offense. Give him a shot. Besides, we cut Matt, I guarantee 20 or more teams will be lining up to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaJoe Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 For the first time in 4 years I'm convinced Flowery Branch doesn't grasp that concept.Let's see who is hired as OC and DC, and what is said about their approach to each side of ball going forward with Falcons, if it's more of the same weak-arse, sit-on-the-ball mentality combined with 4-3 softzone... then yes... I'll agree... they all need to replaced.I hold out hope that TD gets it and will demand we move forward with our team, not continue to go backward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBird757 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 New OC = new playbook. Will we scrap everything? No why would we scrap what helped us get 4 winning seasons and be able to control the clock. But we can expand on what we need to and thats screens and the passing game. There is no rule that says our team can only have 4 pass plays in our playbook. We just need to get the oline locked up and then open it up some. Like the Saints use the pass to open the run. We can do that as well. Once the D spread out and stops loading the Box, slam Turners big Butt down their throats.I think that if we implemented more screen passes, it would help us to transition between running plays and passing plays. Any sucessful team is running screen passes more. It keeps defenses on their heels. It is just the scheme that MM was running didn't allow for screen passes b/c in them situations, the RB would only receive help from one receiver on the flank. There was no other protection. There was a flaw schematically and if we want a more balanced attack to get us through this learning curve we have to run more screens. ****, TD should draft another RB if he feels that MT is not running the ball like he used to. The scheme puts so much wear and tare on the man that by the time the playoffs start, all the opposition has to do is shut down the pass b/c the RB is tired as ****. You don't have to change the playbook but jesus fing christ, get creative and throw in new gadgets and gimmicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who?lio jones Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Are you the poster formerly known as Grendel? Those on the board a long time will know who I'm talking about. Dude, seriously! Fine Matt's not elite yet; but he has done nothing but improve every year. If he was a 4th year guy, completing 50% of his passes and hovering at 2800 yds, with more ints than TDs; I'd understand the hate. But he's not. Is he more Matt Hassleback or Pennington (pre-injury) than Manning or Brady? Probably is. But guess what those are/were good QBs. The kid is constantly improving and in a dang conservative/archaic offense. Give him a shot. Besides, we cut Matt, I guarantee 20 or more teams will be lining up to sign him.i agree with you. ryan is closer to pennington than he'll ever be to manning or brady. of course 20 teams would line up to sign him, he would be the best backup qb in the league behind matt flynn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i agree with you. ryan is closer to pennington than he'll ever be to manning or brady. of course 20 teams would line up to sign him, he would be the best backup qb in the league behind matt flynn.Seriously? Lemme guess bring back Vick, that's your answer? And, oh btw, the "backup" flynn threw for 6tds due to his system and supporting cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citsalp Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 There's a difference between believing in rushing and having a complete ****tard who can't call a play to save his life.That was classic!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwolfcfc Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 i have no problem with the philosophy. the problem was play calling out of that philosophy and the predictability of it.Agree--Predictability bad. Deception good.Spread the ball arounda little bit more too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Mike Smith knows he has a QB that doest have that IT or swagger to be a stud QB .Smith is smart .... game management from Ryantake care of oline and allow Turner to do his thingGod you get old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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