BiGPoPPa101 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Well if we going to be a run team and be a balance offense that's fine! Then we need to be an elite defense. Most teams either great on offense and avg defense or avg offense with elite defense. Assuming smith is a defense minded coach believes in great defense with good run game and avg passing game. We just need to figure out what kind of offense we going to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I will say he is smart .. Mike Smith knows his bread and butter is Turner .. we must find some hogs to get Turner some holes in playoff game cause its clear Matt Ryan will not be able to carry us on his back in PLAYOFFSTD really needs to go oline 2nd and 3rd pick .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 So what do you wanna see? Abandonment of the running game? Pass only? Because if you don't or can't run to establish anything, why run at all?I haven't seen anyone suggest that....or anything close to that...but the way the NFL Competition Committee has skewed the rules in the past 15 years this league has actively promoted a vigorous and robust passing attack for it's teams.Are the best current teams in the NFL "Ground and Pound" teams?I won't wait for your answer...Here it is:The Saints, the Packers, the Patriots? Even a traditional running team like the Steelers has dramatically shifted towards becoming more pass-oriented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 The League as a whole learns how to stop a team fromdoing what they do best.This is why we only beat the bad teams and that is because they have notyet built up their defensive lines.Our running plays are the same thing over and over.Take that away from us and, well we saw the result Sunday.Now lets face the current rant from the front office.They want continued development of the O Line and that is sowe can continue to use the same F'n running plays.This is why it is imperative that we get Mike Martz.Martz will School Smitty and Dimitroff if they get in the way of himrunning his offense.Martz will also crawl up a players azz in the blink of an eye.Any OC that comes in to be TD or Smitty's puppet is not going to movethis team forward.TD and Smitty need to move over and GTF out of the way.End of Story,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,By Gawd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 We just need to figure out what kind of offense we going to be?I would say that's the biggest issue in Flowery Branch right now,...they don't know who they are. No identity and as of right now, no discernible direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 So what do you wanna see? Abandonment of the running game? Pass only? Because if you don't or can't run to establish anything, why run at all?no team can abandon the run completely, have to have some reason for the LBs to not drop into coverage every play. But the whole running the ball to set up the pass thing that we are supposed to be doing didn't really work this year. When you depend on the run to open up the passing game all a D has to do is shutdown the running game to kill the offense. It works much better when you use the pass to set up the run, like the Giants did to us,and like the Saints have been dong all season. Back those linebackers off the run, then hit them in the face with the RB. its all about keeping the D off balance and dictating what the D does in the game. We have a habit of allowing the D to dictate what we do during a game, as Smith says "we take what they give us" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I would say that's the biggest issue in Flowery Branch right now,...they don't know who they are. No identity and as of right now, no discernible direction.By Gawd read my above post.You know it Supes.Heck even Old Man Gritz knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 I haven't seen anyone suggest that....or anything close to that...but the way the NFL Competition Committee has skewed the rules in the past 15 years this league has actively promoted a vigorous and robust passing attack for it's teams.Are the best current teams in the NFL "Ground and Pound" teams?I won't wait for your answer...Here it is:The Saints, the Packers, the Patriots? Even a traditional running team like the Steelers has dramatically shifted towards becoming more pass-oriented.But that's why we traded up for JJ, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Matt Ryan passed the BALL 41 times in playoff game folks...he passed for a 4.9 YPAall that needs to be said..Offensive philpsohy is HIDING Matt Ryan weaknesssmart man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa_Falcon_Fan Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Yeah.....smart isn't a word I would use to describe Smitty....Good motivator-checkGood guy-checkGood HC for Rescusitating Near Dead Franchise-checkGood Xs and Os coach-noGood big game coach-yeah, right.See, this is exactly why I think the right plan this offseason is to keep Smitty as head coach and replace his coordinators with better Xs and Os guys. He is a good motivator. He does keep the team level headed and even keeled which is really important for a head coach. Some of the best coaches of the last decade or so weren't great Xs and Os guys.Bring in some fiery, gutsy coordinators who can provide game plans that break out of the conservative/vanilla mold we've been stuck in for the last 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 How do you guys, at one moment, call DLed a dunce and then the next moment take his articles for truth?This article was written by DLed. This just makes me happy that there will, in fact, be a change in philosophy. More aggressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Good Lawd people !It is not about if we are a freaking running team or not.It is about how we use the ground game and the running plays thatwe do not let our guys use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 By Gawd read my above post.Mike Martz ain't coming here. Sorry, Charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 See, this is exactly why I think the right plan this offseason is to keep Smitty as head coach and replace his coordinators with better Xs and Os guys.He is a good motivator. He does keep the team level headed and even keeled which is really important for a head coach. Some of the best coaches of the last decade or so weren't great Xs and Os guys.Bring in some fiery, gutsy coordinators who can provide game plans that break out of the conservative/vanilla mold we've been stuck in for the last 4 years.By Gawdd this guy gets it.Yall think about this post, any questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 But that's why we traded up for JJ, right?yep, TD wants to take the team in one direction it seems and smith wants to take it in the other, we tried to be both a passing team and a running team and instead of each method opening up the offense for the other we managed to not be very effective at either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Mike Martz ain't coming here. Sorry, Charlie.Don't make me come up there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don™ Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 Nothing wrong with running the ball. I have no problem with running. It's just that the smash mouth days of primarily running the football are over. The Saints run, the Pats run, the Packers run. Even pass heavy teams run the ball. I'm not saying we need to turn into the those teams but we DO need to develop and scheme for far more success in the passing game. We need to exploit defenses through the air. We need to create opportunities for our guys to get YAC yards. We need to develop a screen game. We need to be more creative and use ALL of our weapons. The teams like the Saints, Packers, and Patriots take care of business on offense. We need to start to with the weapons we have. Sure, TD needs to upgrade LT, RG, and possibly C, but a good OC will make up for the lack of OL talent by using his other talent to sort of "mask" his OL's deficiencies. MM didn't do that with this team. He continually ran the ball to set up the pass. His idea of an explosive play was to make his WR run a go route and let Matt throw it up. Absolutely no creativity in that. Dude was clueless on how to confuse and exploit other teams' defenses.I'm hoping we bring in a OC who doesn't have the old school mentality that MM has. We need someone creative, innovative, and sort of crazy(in a good way) to coordinate this offense. I don't want to hear other teams saying they JUST respect us but DON'T fear us(see Jason Cole 790 the zone interview). I want our offense to be feared. Heck, with Julio, Harry, Roddy, Tony, Turner, and Jacquizz, it doesn't exactly take a freaking genius to figure out how to make your offense consistently chug out points week after week. You just gotta design plays that will give THEM the opportunity to make a play. Because believe me, they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 By Gawd read my above post.You know it Supes.Heck even Old Man Gritz knows it.Yeah his system did great with the Lions and Bears... Not.His system worked with St Louis because they had Orlando Pace and even then his system has pass plays that take a long time to develop.His system exposes the QB to lots of punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 We are a run heavy team yet the Saints had more rushing yards than us... Their RBs carries were split more evenly as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 How do you guys, at one moment, call DLed a dunce and then the next moment take his articles for truth?This article was written by DLed. This just makes me happy that there will, in fact, be a change in philosophy. More aggressiveDLed is terrible, but I, like many here, already had a sneaking suspicion that even with coordinator changes the philosophy probably wont be altered much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 yep, TD wants to take the team in one direction it seems and smith wants to take it in the other, we tried to be both a passing team and a running team and instead of each method opening up the offense for the other we managed to not be very effective at either.No identity, no discernible direction.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 DLed is terrible, but I, like many here, already had a sneaking suspicion that even with coordinator changes the philosophy probably wont be altered muchBut I doubt it stays the same. Not with all of this talent. Not with TD making the moves he made. It won't go pass happy, but it will surely be built for a QB to be more of a weapon than just a manager. MM's offense was built for Kordell Stewart and Jerome Bettis. It's pretty clear.We need an offense built for a QB. A top 10 QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons4life Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 We could bring in the most innovative OC in the history of the game but if Smitty says "No, we're doing it my way" then what is the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durrtay Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 So easy,...a cave man can do it!lol that's funny on sooooo many levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 You can't really run the football when LBers and Safeties basically live in our backfield.Basically what I was going to say. If a top-tier team knows you're whole offensive scheme is predicated in getting your running game established, guess what? They're going to stop you from doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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