PokerSteve Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Group II issued a challenge to all TATF Falcon fans on Dec. 30th to join together and push for significant changes in the future direction of this franchise, specifically concerning those in positions of leadership. We knew that calling for such radical change would draw a lot of criticism, considering how much better the team has been in the regular season compared to past history. It would be easy for fans to be willing to settle for having a solid, reputable franchise which can produce a winning record in the regular season on a very consistent basis.However, we in Group II are NOT willing to settle into a rut of mediocrity! We are NOT willing to see our team be embarrassed repeatedly on national television; see it get blown out in every big game; watch as it falls apart against every top-tier team it meets in the regular season and then get blown out and humiliated in every play-off appearance as it has in the four years of leadership under the current regime. To put it bluntly, we’re mad as h3ll and we’re not willing to take it anymore without airing our grievances and working actively toward change in this team’s leadership!The most recent play-off debacle versus the New York Giants only confirmed the Atlanta Falcons franchise has NOT improved in any of the crucial areas necessary to put it into contention for a deep run in the play-offs or to be competitive against the top-tier teams in the league, the teams which stand in the way of this franchise achieving the ultimate goal of getting to and winning the Super Bowl. The problems did not occur because of a temporary lapse in this last disgusting play-off beat-down. For four years ~ for the entire time this regime has been in place ~ the problems have been readily apparent: a complete lack of a pass rush, a weak secondary, the complete inability of the defense to get a stop on 3rd-and-long and a porous offensive line. An even worse problem has been central to the failure of this regime, and that is the commitment to an antiquated, low-scoring, grind-it-out, running-focused offensive philosophy which is no longer competitive in this era of passing-oriented, high-scoring offensive football. This conservative philosophy has also been an extremely negative factor in the overall defensive scheme, which is based on an ultra-conservative, soft-zone, timid style of play which relies on the other team to make a mistake rather than being aggressive, attacking and forcing mistakes by the offense. The impotence and ineffectiveness of this defensive style has been apparent in every big game the Falcons have played against the top-tier teams for four years, yet neither the front office nor coaching staff have shown any willingness or ability to make any changes to address these critical flaws.We in Group II vow to work against the incompetence and complacency of the current coaching staff and affirm our desire to see a complete change in leadership, philosophy and direction. If the current head coach were willing and able to admit this ultra-conservative style has damaged the team’s chances to reach the highest level of competitive capability we would be willing to allow further time for the right coordinators and players to be acquired. However, it’s clear this head coach is not able to comprehend the fatal flaw in this thinking and is irrevocably committed to continuing in a philosophy which has no chance of success against top-tier teams in the NFL. This is not acceptable and a new head coach and coordinators are needed now to give our beloved team a chance to reach the highest level of the game.*** This message provided by the Group II Committee for Radical Change. Edited January 10, 2012 by PokerSteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Let's get a group 2 role call going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Occupy Flowery Branch!I wish we hadn't been right Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Are there charter memberships available ? ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Rise Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HouseofEuphoria Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think that depends on how many changes are made.It could be that we had our chance with this particular team/staff and any big changes we make is, expectedly, gonna set us back a bit. Whether you believe Ryan and co. can bring us a Lombardi or not, wholesale changes or even small changes can turn a teams fortune in the wrong direction. (example: Losing Dahl seemed like no big deal, but the consistancy of our O'line was comprimised and obviously had deep ramifications not just in our protection schemes, but in our running game also.)Alot of people on these boards want an entire overhaul and then they expect to go on and win the superbowl next year. Fact is: Consistancy wins in the NFL.We're treading on unproven ground here with new coaches, very few draft picks, a plethora of expensive FAs, retiring stars, and very little money to improve the areas we needed to improve on this year.I do believe in Ryan, Smith and TD, but i have to admit that my faith has been shaken to the core. I see changes coming, and regardless of what you guys might think, those changes are going to set us back a bit. It's just the nature of the beast.I think alot of the "clean house and bring us a championship" crowd are going to be bitterly disappointed. At least for a few years.* I copied this from another thread i posted in because it seems appropriate for this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think that depends on how many changes are made.It could be that we had our chance with this particular team/staff and any big changes we make is, expectedly, gonna set us back a bit. Whether you believe Ryan and co. can bring us a Lombardi or not, wholesale changes or even small changes can turn a teams fortune in the wrong direction. (example: Losing Dahl seemed like no big deal, but the consistancy of our O'line was comprimised and obviously had deep ramifications not just in our protection schemes, but in our running game also.)Alot of people on these boards want an entire overhaul and then they expect to go on and win the superbowl next year.Fact is: Consistancy wins in the NFL.We're treading on unproven ground here with new coaches, very few draft picks, a plethora of expensive FAs, retiring stars, and very little money to improve the areas we needed to improve on this year.I do believe in Ryan, Smith and TD, but i have to admit that my faith has been shaken to the core. I see changes coming, and regardless of what you guys might think, those changes are going to set us back a bit. It's just the nature of the beast.I think alot of the "clean house and bring us a championship" crowd are going to be bitterly disappointed. At least for a few years.* I copied this from another thread i posted in because it seems appropriate for this thread.Yea. like when we fired Bennett because the Clampetts thought the team had " peaked " ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Both coordinators are going to be gone, which means most of the staff is going to change. I don't know what else there is to push for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vabchbirdlover Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Problem lies above HC/coordinators/position coaches's paygrade in my most humble opinion - Until Authur realizes that Thomas isn't all he was intially cracked up to be, then - "Same OLE falcons". Sorry to sound so pessimistic, and you may counter with NFL executive of the year, look where we where before he arrived, etc., but the NFL is all about what have you done for me lately!. Lately he has failed miserably. Lets look at his most recent track record -P. Jerry - need I say more?S. Weatherspoon - hit a homer, give him credit.DRob/R.Edwards - Man pls!Julio - great talent, but at what cost. The cost is the anemic Atlanta Falcons offensive line we are saddled with.So y'all can cry about schemes, coordinators all y'all want, but that's not the problem in my estimation and, yes, Iknow Dimitroff isn't going anywhere, but doesn't now, nor will it ever change my opinion of the person.whom Ibelieve is soley responsible for the current state of affairs of the Atlanta Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Let's get a group 2 role call going.Hopefully our ranks are increasing exponentially with every passing moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So, would joinging group 2 actually make a bit of difference to what happens up in flowery branch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 Are there charter memberships available ? .........Indeed. As a loyal fan sympathetic to our core mission, you've been on our list of potential charter members since the inception of Group II. Kneel Freebird310 and be knighted into the inner-circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 So, would joinging group 2 actually make a bit of difference to what happens up in flowery branch?If Group II continues to grow, if it remains adamant and active in pushing for a new direction, it's message will get beyond these boards and it will definitely start to have an impact in Flowerly Branch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 If Group II continues to grow, if it remains adamant and active in pushing for a new direction, it's message will get beyond these boards and it will definitely start to have an impact in Flowerly Branch.LOL you got some serious delusions of grandeur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 If Group II continues to grow, if it remains adamant and active in pushing for a new direction, it's message will get beyond these boards and it will definitely start to have an impact in Flowerly Branch.After 4 winning seasons, which direction is it you want to go?Puhleeze.You're starting to sound like an idiot. Oh wait....you've been doing that for a loooong time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 After 4 winning seasons, which direction is it you want to go?Puhleeze.You're starting to sound like an idiot. Oh wait....you've been doing that for a loooong time.There is a large contingent of this board that truly believes that going 3-13 is just as good as going 11-5 and losing in the first round of the playoffs. PokerSteve is obviously the spiritual leader of that contingent.I don't agree with that, but I think changing the OC at this point is something that has to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Yea. like when we fired Bennett because the Clampetts thought the team had " peaked " ........A complete overhaul including replacing Smith and MM could cause the team's regular season record to suffer for a year or two. I personally don't think it would be catastrophic because we have some very talented players on offense and our defense would be much more productive if a new DC were allowed to come in and create a defensive scheme which is aggressive and more suited to the players we have, rather than trying to force players to play in schemes they aren't suited to play in.The one thing I've become convinced of is that staying with Mike Smith is going to ensure we stay mediocre and continue to be dominated by the top-tier teams and get blown out in big games and the play-offs. I've seen enough of this level of mediocrity to be ready to take some risk to try to become elite. Edited January 10, 2012 by PokerSteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 A complete overhaul including replacing Smith and MM could cause the team's regular season record to suffer for a year or two. I personally don't think it would be catastrophic because we have some very talented players on offense and our defense would be much more productive if a new DC were allowed to come in and create a defensive scheme which is aggressive and more suited to the player we have, rather than trying to force players to play in schemes they aren't suited to play in.The one thing I've become convinced of is that staying with Mike Smith is going to ensure we stay mediocre and continue to be dominated by the top-tier teams and get blown out in big games and the play-offs. I've seen enough of this level of mediocrity to be ready to take some risk to try to become elite.Exhibit A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 After 4 winning seasons, which direction is it you want to go?Puhleeze.You're starting to sound like an idiot. Oh wait....you've been doing that for a loooong time.Calling me names does a lot to bolster your opinion and says a lot about you in general. Well done! Very impressive, sir. Please continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 There is a large contingent of this board that truly believes that going 3-13 is just as good as going 11-5 and losing in the first round of the playoffs. PokerSteve is obviously the spiritual leader of that contingent.I don't agree with that, but I think changing the OC at this point is something that has to happen.Ive been adamant about getting rid of Mularky for 2 years now.But i'm no follower of this Poker idiot, and wholesale changes are going to take this team backwards for a while. Mark my words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowen Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Its sad when everything that HAS happened, was predicted by most of us smarter fans back in AUGUST.. We'd get to the playoffs; lose horribly because of MM and BVG, and they would get fired. So many of the idiots said Mularkey would NOT lose his job, and BVG was staying too.. Any real football fan who actually watched any falcons games from 2008-2010 knew exactly what the problem is.. And now 5 months later, we wasted a whole season due to never correcting the mistakes from 2010. Its pathetic. What a waste of a season, pretty much ending TG and Abe's careers, and Matt Ryan's career is shortened drastically also due to wasting his talent with Mularkey.http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3926401-listen-up/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Its sad when everything that HAS happened, was predicted by most of us smarter fans back in AUGUST.. We'd get to the playoffs; lose horribly because of MM and BVG, and they would get fired. So many of the idiots said Mularkey would NOT lose his job, and BVG was staying too..Any real football fan who actually watched any falcons games from 2008-2010 knew exactly what the problem is.. And now 5 months later, we wasted a whole season due to never correcting the mistakes from 2010. Its pathetic. What a waste of a season, pretty much ending TG and Abe's careers, and Matt Ryan's career is shortened drastically also due to wasting his talent with Mularkey.http://boards.atlant...6401-listen-up/How in the h*ll could the Falcons have fired both their coordinators after going 13-3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Ive been adamant about getting rid of Mularky for 2 years now.But i'm no follower of this Poker idiot, and wholesale changes are going to take this team backwards for a while. Mark my wordsYeah, I wouldn't worry about that. The notion that Coach Smith is leaving the Falcons any time remotely soon is beyond a pipe dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Indeed. As a loyal fan sympathetic to our core mission, you've been on our list of potential charter members since the inception of Group II. Kneel Freebird310 and be knighted into the inner-circle.So...nerds and fantasy geeks are welcome in your little fan club, too?How nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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