Guest King Shot Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abraham is gone, which means so is 98% of our passrush over the last 3 years. Grimes and Lofton are a toss-up, but I'm betting on, at the very least, Lofton being back.Where is the pressure going to come from? We know it won't be Ray Hartwell, er Edwards, because he's an assbag who only got paid because he played next to 3 all-pro defensive linemen and because of the fact that there was no way we could afford Charles Johnson, so we were forced to take the sloppy seconds. We're not going to be able to draft a replacement for Abraham because our idiot General Manager decided to spend 5 whole draft picks for one wide receiver and at this point our first pick in this year's draft almost HAS to be an offensive lineman.This team will be forced to find a way to manufacture QB pressure, and the best way to do that is with a 34 defense. The 34 allows you to cheat a little bit by disguising blitzes and at times creating the illusion that more pressure is being brought than there actually is.Before anyone freaks out about "ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE DA GUYS 2 DO DAT!!!" yes we do. Peters and Babs are the perfect size and play the run well enough and have the penetrating ability to be great DE's in the 34. I could see Weatherspoon being a 12-15 sack guy coming off the edge, and Biermann might be more productive standing up than he is with his hands in the dirt.Not to sound like a chicken little or anything, but this fanbase should be terrified right now by the age, free agent, and ******** GM situation of this team that we have right now. Things could go real south, real quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Falcon Fan Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abraham is gone, which means so is 98% of our passrush over the last 3 years. Grimes and Lofton are a toss-up, but I'm betting on, at the very least, Lofton being back.Where is the pressure going to come from? We know it won't be Ray Hartwell, er Edwards, because he's an assbag who only got paid because he played next to 3 all-pro defensive linemen and because of the fact that there was no way we could afford Charles Johnson, so we were forced to take the sloppy seconds. We're not going to be able to draft a replacement for Abraham because our idiot General Manager decided to spend 5 whole draft picks for one wide receiver and at this point our first pick in this year's draft almost HAS to be an offensive lineman.This team will be forced to find a way to manufacture QB pressure, and the best way to do that is with a 34 defense. The 34 allows you to cheat a little bit by disguising blitzes and at times creating the illusion that more pressure is being brought than there actually is.Before anyone freaks out about "ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE DA GUYS 2 DO DAT!!!" yes we do. Peters and Babs are the perfect size and play the run well enough and have the penetrating ability to be great DE's in the 34. I could see Weatherspoon being a 12-15 sack guy coming off the edge, and Biermann might be more productive standing up than he is with his hands in the dirt.Not to sound like a chicken little or anything, but this fanbase should be terrified right now by the age, free agent, and ******** GM situation of this team that we have right now. Things could go real south, real quick.I believe Beirmann played standing up at Montana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconfanEST1989 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Lofton is going NOWHERE... abe might be gone but there are so Dends that we could go after remember SUPER MARIO is a FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Just a question, wouldn't making Mike Smith agree to a 3-4 defense acutallybe harder than making Wade Phillips agree to a 4-3 defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crankdatfalcon Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 how do you figure ja55 is gone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Can you guys stop saying Abe is gone? The tweet didn't say he is done with the Falcons, he said he appreciates the team and fans IF this is his last game. Reading is very fundamental. Don't take what other people say. Find out the truth for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer2 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Personally I'd love to see the switch to 3-4. I'm sure we'd take our lumps for a year, but heck, it's going to take more than one offseason to fix our OL anyways. IMO the 3-4 is a better defense in today's NFL. But I agree, I'm sure the biggest hurdle is getting Smitty to make the switch. So I'm sure it's a pipe dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince78 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Can you guys stop saying Abe is gone? The tweet didn't say he is done with the Falcons, he said he appreciates the team and fans IF this is his last game.I just took it as him saying "if I end up not being able to work out a contract, I appreciate all the support you guys gave me while I was here. I loved every minute of it".Some read this "I am a free agent and I am going to a team where I can get a bigger contract, maybe win a playoff game or two and be rid of you suckers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So who plays NT, jelly roll ? ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUPE Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abraham is gone, which means so is 98% of our passrush over the last 3 years. Grimes and Lofton are a toss-up, but I'm betting on, at the very least, Lofton being back.Where is the pressure going to come from? We know it won't be Ray Hartwell, er Edwards, because he's an assbag who only got paid because he played next to 3 all-pro defensive linemen and because of the fact that there was no way we could afford Charles Johnson, so we were forced to take the sloppy seconds. We're not going to be able to draft a replacement for Abraham because our idiot General Manager decided to spend 5 whole draft picks for one wide receiver and at this point our first pick in this year's draft almost HAS to be an offensive lineman.This team will be forced to find a way to manufacture QB pressure, and the best way to do that is with a 34 defense. The 34 allows you to cheat a little bit by disguising blitzes and at times creating the illusion that more pressure is being brought than there actually is.Before anyone freaks out about "ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE DA GUYS 2 DO DAT!!!" yes we do. Peters and Babs are the perfect size and play the run well enough and have the penetrating ability to be great DE's in the 34. I could see Weatherspoon being a 12-15 sack guy coming off the edge, and Biermann might be more productive standing up than he is with his hands in the dirt.Not to sound like a chicken little or anything, but this fanbase should be terrified right now by the age, free agent, and ******** GM situation of this team that we have right now. Things could go real south, real quick.Weatherspoon is not as good as you make it seem at rushing the passer. Never been a blitzing type LB. We also do not have the size on the D-Line to run this defense. We would get ran all over with Babs or Peters playing nose gaurd. Anybody remember the 2004 season when we tried to run this defense & got pounded by KC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Falcon Est. 1998 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think Spoon is a little too small to come off the edge in a 3-4, but who knows, Peters and Babs could play the ends, but then we'd have to find a porker to clog the middle. I think Bierman would fit good in that scheme though. He's got a high motor.Farfetched idea, but nice to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Falcon Est. 1998 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Also if JA55 comes back I don't know how well he would do, we also have Ray, who couldn't play DE or OLB in that scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Don't have the personnel, no fatty for the middle, linebackers (aside from Spoon) not fast or athletic enough. Abraham might be back, not a fit for 3-4, neither is Edwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abraham is gone, which means so is 98% of our passrush over the last 3 years. Grimes and Lofton are a toss-up, but I'm betting on, at the very least, Lofton being back.Where is the pressure going to come from? We know it won't be Ray Hartwell, er Edwards, because he's an assbag who only got paid because he played next to 3 all-pro defensive linemen and because of the fact that there was no way we could afford Charles Johnson, so we were forced to take the sloppy seconds. We're not going to be able to draft a replacement for Abraham because our idiot General Manager decided to spend 5 whole draft picks for one wide receiver and at this point our first pick in this year's draft almost HAS to be an offensive lineman.This team will be forced to find a way to manufacture QB pressure, and the best way to do that is with a 34 defense. The 34 allows you to cheat a little bit by disguising blitzes and at times creating the illusion that more pressure is being brought than there actually is.Before anyone freaks out about "ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE DA GUYS 2 DO DAT!!!" yes we do. Peters and Babs are the perfect size and play the run well enough and have the penetrating ability to be great DE's in the 34. I could see Weatherspoon being a 12-15 sack guy coming off the edge, and Biermann might be more productive standing up than he is with his hands in the dirt.Not to sound like a chicken little or anything, but this fanbase should be terrified right now by the age, free agent, and ******** GM situation of this team that we have right now. Things could go real south, real quick.With the exception of the GM bashing, you actually make a few decent points in there.Peters & Babs could potentially be 3-4 DEs, we would need a NT from somewhere though. We would also need another ILB. However, biggest problem I see is depth, we wouldn't be more than 1 deep at most positions based on the current makeup of the roster & that scares me more that age or our FA statuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So who plays NT, jelly roll ? .........If Shaun Cody can play NT for an effective Texans unit, maybe a prototype block-eater isn't that critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abraham is gone, which means so is 98% of our passrush over the last 3 years. Grimes and Lofton are a toss-up, but I'm betting on, at the very least, Lofton being back.Where is the pressure going to come from? We know it won't be Ray Hartwell, er Edwards, because he's an assbag who only got paid because he played next to 3 all-pro defensive linemen and because of the fact that there was no way we could afford Charles Johnson, so we were forced to take the sloppy seconds. We're not going to be able to draft a replacement for Abraham because our idiot General Manager decided to spend 5 whole draft picks for one wide receiver and at this point our first pick in this year's draft almost HAS to be an offensive lineman.This team will be forced to find a way to manufacture QB pressure, and the best way to do that is with a 34 defense. The 34 allows you to cheat a little bit by disguising blitzes and at times creating the illusion that more pressure is being brought than there actually is.Before anyone freaks out about "ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE DA GUYS 2 DO DAT!!!" yes we do. Peters and Babs are the perfect size and play the run well enough and have the penetrating ability to be great DE's in the 34. I could see Weatherspoon being a 12-15 sack guy coming off the edge, and Biermann might be more productive standing up than he is with his hands in the dirt.Not to sound like a chicken little or anything, but this fanbase should be terrified right now by the age, free agent, and ******** GM situation of this team that we have right now. Things could go real south, real quick.Spoon and lofton would be inside in a 3-4 alignment. No way spoon ends up a 3-4 outside backer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I don't see a full out 3-4 happening. Most likely an aggressive hybrid. A DC who will put some heart into these guys. They are soft. They have the players. We just need some DL help (DE or DT) and some secondary help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 If Shaun Cody can play NT for an effective Texans unit, maybe a prototype block-eater isn't that critical.It would be with our personnel ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Not happening. Other than it not being practical, Smitty shot that notion down in the press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Lofton would get destroyed in a 3-4 IMO, he isn't fast enough and he cant get off of blocks to make the tackle. We really only have 1 LB and 2 DTs that fit a 3-4 scheme, would require some major retooling, though we already have the CBs and safeties (especially Moore) that can be used in a 3-4. With so many holes on the O-line we dont have the picks or the cap room to try to implement a 3-4 at the moment. Edited January 10, 2012 by Aftermath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isproab Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Abraham is gone, which means so is 98% of our passrush over the last 3 years. Grimes and Lofton are a toss-up, but I'm betting on, at the very least, Lofton being back.Where is the pressure going to come from? We know it won't be Ray Hartwell, er Edwards, because he's an assbag who only got paid because he played next to 3 all-pro defensive linemen and because of the fact that there was no way we could afford Charles Johnson, so we were forced to take the sloppy seconds. We're not going to be able to draft a replacement for Abraham because our idiot General Manager decided to spend 5 whole draft picks for one wide receiver and at this point our first pick in this year's draft almost HAS to be an offensive lineman.This team will be forced to find a way to manufacture QB pressure, and the best way to do that is with a 34 defense. The 34 allows you to cheat a little bit by disguising blitzes and at times creating the illusion that more pressure is being brought than there actually is.Before anyone freaks out about "ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE DA GUYS 2 DO DAT!!!" yes we do. Peters and Babs are the perfect size and play the run well enough and have the penetrating ability to be great DE's in the 34. I could see Weatherspoon being a 12-15 sack guy coming off the edge, and Biermann might be more productive standing up than he is with his hands in the dirt.Not to sound like a chicken little or anything, but this fanbase should be terrified right now by the age, free agent, and ******** GM situation of this team that we have right now. Things could go real south, real quick.Where did you come up with this. We don't have a big body nose tackle. Show me successful 3-4 DE's that are 6 foot 1? Ideal 3-4 DE's go at lesat 6'4'' and look like Jaamal Anderson physically. Falcons don't have the front for the 3-4. Sure you can make do with Spoon and Lofton inside, but then you still need to find guys like Von Miller or DeMarcus Ware on the outside to be pass rushers. If the Falcons make a swithc, its a complete scheme switch. Ray Edwards is built more like a 3-4 DE, but he has never played in one, he has always been in a 4-3. Mike Smith is a defensive guy, I don't think we will be switching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBirdDynasty Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 You start by saying Abe is gone. He's a potential UFA who will be resigned. Which players on this front 7 fit the 3-4? None. There is no NT, and our DTs are too short and small to play end in the 3-4. So you've tossed all our DTs and we have no one to play DL. Abe left the Jets because they switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. There is no one to play OLB other than trying to force players that havent played the scheme and dont fit it. We have 2 of the best young 4-3 LBs in the game and you want to move to the 3-4 so they can go up against offensive guards behind a DL that we dont have any players that fit? Brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBirdDynasty Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I just took the time to read the actual post and Im even more stunned with how stupid it isNT- No oneRE-You could try to put Edwards here but he doesn't have enough weight for the position, he's too small for here and too big and slow for OLBLE-No oneROLB-Abe who left NY specifically to avoid playing hereRILB WeatherspoonLILB LoftonLOLB-No oneYou state that Peters and Babs are perfect for the 3-4 despite the fact that they are both too short to ever play end and too small to play NT in the scheme. They have no place in it whatsoeverYou state you believe Weatherspoon can be a "12-15" sack guy despite the fact that he is a 4-3 LB, not a DE. He doesnt' rush the passer. He reads keys and plays the run or the pass. The fact that he is fast doesn't mean he has the physical skills and experience hand fighting OTs and dipping around the edgeThis reads like someone who thinks this is Madden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehard Falcon Est. 1998 Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I just took the time to read the actual post and Im even more stunned with how stupid it isNT- No oneRE-You could try to put Edwards here but he doesn't have enough weight for the position, he's too small for here and too big and slow for OLBLE-No oneROLB-Abe who left NY specifically to avoid playing hereRILB WeatherspoonLILB LoftonLOLB-No oneYou state that Peters and Babs are perfect for the 3-4 despite the fact that they are both too short to ever play end and too small to play NT in the scheme. They have no place in it whatsoeverYou state you believe Weatherspoon can be a "12-15" sack guy despite the fact that he is a 4-3 LB, not a DE. He doesnt' rush the passer. He reads keys and plays the run or the pass. The fact that he is fast doesn't mean he has the physical skills and experience hand fighting OTs and dipping around the edgeThis reads like someone who thinks this is MaddenI tried this in Madden and it didn't work lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Lofton and Spoon fit perfectly as 3-4 ILB.Make Sidbury and Biermann OLB, grab Cordarro Law late for the depth.Trade Edwards for a 4th or 5th or a backup NT. Peters and Babs as the DEs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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