McMVP Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 First I want to say I feel for you guys on the loss. I was rooting for Atl yesterday...obviously.I see it didn't take long for the standard "it's the QB" vs "it's the OC" vs "it's the oline" debate to go into overdrive. Some, who defend one of the three aggressively, are clever enough to blame the other two elements. Others are not as wise and stick to blasting just one of the three (in the process assuming the Falcons are the first team in NFL history to be perfect in every area; save one).The fact of the matter is it's a little bit of everything. Sure one area may get the most blame over the others, and deservedly so...I get that part. But I think the problem with the Falcons is a bit of everything....I'm not ready, nor do I think it matters who I say is in the lead in the 'blame game'.The issue, despite whether he's the main issue or not, is what the Falcons should do with Ryan's contract...let it be or extend? It's a tough one. I've always liked Ryan. I think he's one of those guys that if there is an upside, he'll find it. I will admit that I thought he would've been further along at this point than he is. But that's not to say where he is is 'a bad place', I just really had higher expectations...which is another thing people forget to consider (opinions on results are largely based on preconceived expectations). And just because he isn't where McMVP thought he would be right now, it doesn't mean he sucks...nor does it mean he's average (to tell you the truth, I don't even know what average is for a QB in today's NFL...the rules and game have changed too much to even have an accurate barometer at this point. But what makes the contract decision difficult is the success other young QBs have had recently...GMs consider that...its the same rules and game changes that have allowed these younger QBs to succeed so fast. So taking a risk on a young QB is easier than it used to be. The question of whether to let them sit or learn by playing is easier too...throw them out there....the league set the rules for the QB position to succeed...show us what you got. The issue with Ryan is whether the Falcons believe he will take another step forward, or if he's as high as he will go....I wouldn't want their decision. Saying goodbye to Ryan doesn't guarantee instant improvement. You aren't talking about a bust here...not by a very long shot. I'm not even certain of his contract details...I'd guess he has another 2 years left...so the 2012 season is really the decision year (if they plan on keeping him)...Now all that said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=abrahamburger= Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 We knew it was a 'little bit of everything' after the GB loss last year. Do people even know that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyerbudNYG Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 First I want to say I feel for you guys on the loss. I was rooting for Atl yesterday...obviously.I see it didn't take long for the standard "it's the QB" vs "it's the OC" vs "it's the oline" debate to go into overdrive. Some, who defend one of the three aggressively, are clever enough to blame the other two elements. Others are not as wise and stick to blasting just one of the three (in the process assuming the Falcons are the first team in NFL history to be perfect in every area; save one).The fact of the matter is it's a little bit of everything. Sure one area may get the most blame over the others, and deservedly so...I get that part. But I think the problem with the Falcons is a bit of everything....I'm not ready, nor do I think it matters who I say is in the lead in the 'blame game'.The issue, despite whether he's the main issue or not, is what the Falcons should do with Ryan's contract...let it be or extend? It's a tough one. I've always liked Ryan. I think he's one of those guys that if there is an upside, he'll find it. I will admit that I thought he would've been further along at this point than he is. But that's not to say where he is is 'a bad place', I just really had higher expectations...which is another thing people forget to consider (opinions on results are largely based on preconceived expectations). And just because he isn't where McMVP thought he would be right now, it doesn't mean he sucks...nor does it mean he's average (to tell you the truth, I don't even know what average is for a QB in today's NFL...the rules and game have changed too much to even have an accurate barometer at this point. But what makes the contract decision difficult is the success other young QBs have had recently...GMs consider that...its the same rules and game changes that have allowed these younger QBs to succeed so fast. So taking a risk on a young QB is easier than it used to be. The question of whether to let them sit or learn by playing is easier too...throw them out there....the league set the rules for the QB position to succeed...show us what you got. The issue with Ryan is whether the Falcons believe he will take another step forward, or if he's as high as he will go....I wouldn't want their decision. Saying goodbye to Ryan doesn't guarantee instant improvement. You aren't talking about a bust here...not by a very long shot. I'm not even certain of his contract details...I'd guess he has another 2 years left...so the 2012 season is really the decision year (if they plan on keeping him)...Now all that said...don't let Eagles fans rile you up...there is no decision. Matt Ryan is your guy for the next 2 years at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 GMs consider that...its the same rules and game changes that have allowed these younger QBs to succeed so fast.And that is why TD went and got Julio. This is a passing league now. He has the offense to exist in it. He doesn't have the coordinator. It's pretty simple. Regardless of how bad your OLine is, to get shut out in the Playoffs (meaning you're a playoff team) is not personnel. This same personnel got you here to the Playoffs. I am fine with Ryan. Look at Drew Brees' first 4 years. Same thing. They wanted him out of SD. He even got benched for Flutie. As soon as Brees got with a competent OC, he took off. Pretty simple. If Ryan struggles next year, then the blame will start to fall on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCEagleATLFalcon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 don't let Eagles fans rile you up...there is no decision. Matt Ryan is your guy for the next 2 years at leastDon't worry; we like this Eagles fan.And, after yesterday, no player is free from scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 trade Ryan while still has value bring in new OC and a strong arm QB that attacks seams and throws long ballRyan needs to go . He is main part of problemsame excuses fans gave for Vick- not enough weapona- oline - New coordinatorenough is enough Matg Ryan is avg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitepwnz Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 And that is why TD went and got Julio. This is a passing league now. He has the offense to exist in it. He doesn't have the coordinator. It's pretty simple. Regardless of how bad your OLine is, to get shut out in the Playoffs (meaning you're a playoff team) is not personnel. This same personnel got you here to the Playoffs.I am fine with Ryan. Look at Drew Brees' first 4 years. Same thing. They wanted him out of SD. He even got benched for Flutie. As soon as Brees got with a competent OC, he took off. Pretty simple. If Ryan struggles next year, then the blame will start to fall on him.well put vel, makes me feel better at least. I hope we can make a change and Ryan can finally excel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 trade Ryan while still has valuebring in new OC and a strong arm QB that attacks seams and throws long ballRyan needs to go . He is main part of problemsame excuses fans gave for Vick- not enough weapona- oline- New coordinatorenough is enough Matg Ryan is avgYou can't attack the seams when nobody is running that route Swift. Sorry. You don't like Ryan so I won't argue with you but you can't ask for a QB that will do something that the current can but doesn't because it's not in the plays. Ask MM about screen passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=abrahamburger= Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 trade Ryan while still has valuebring in new OC and a strong arm QB that attacks seams and throws long ballRyan needs to go . He is main part of problemsame excuses fans gave for Vick- not enough weapona- oline- New coordinatorenough is enough Matg Ryan is avgWhen you overhaul your O-Line, QB, and Offensive Coordinator, it's a real incentive for the big names to come in and apply for the position. Let's set the Dome on fire and hope Jack Del Rio sees the flames from Florida and comes up to Atlanta to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meyerbudNYG Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Don't worry; we like this Eagles fan.And, after yesterday, no player is free from scrutiny.scrutiny is fine, but the reality is that the only way Matt Ryan is your guy for only 2 more years is if he gets injured who takes a step back. Matt Ryan's season still progressed from last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 trade Ryan while still has valuebring in new OC and a strong arm QB that attacks seams and throws long ballRyan needs to go . He is main part of problemsame excuses fans gave for Vick- not enough weapona- oline- New coordinatorenough is enough Matg Ryan is avgGoing out and getting a new QB is easier said than done, Ryan is better than 20-25 of the starters in the league and those that are better than him probably wont be going anywhere. Maybe Rivers, but he puts up stats and still cant win in the playoffs. A backup maybe? Matt Flynn or some other hot name? signing a backup, even a highly regarded one, is no guarantee. Ask the Cardinals. How is Cassel doing in KC? the Draft? still it or miss, dont have a first rounder next year and we are still just as likely to end up with a Blain Gabbert or a Christian Ponder as we are a Cam Newton or a Andy Dalton. We have a good thing going with Ryan, he is the future like it or not. To trade him is pretty much going to require a complete blowup of the entire organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You can't attack the seams when nobody is running that route Swift. Sorry. You don't like Ryan so I won't argue with you but you can't ask for a QB that will do something that the current can but doesn't because it's not in the plays. Ask MM about screen passes.Mularky doesnt get a free pass . Back in 09' i was calling for Mularky head but he has tailored his offense around a QB and hiding his flawsYou guys are 2 years behind me i was calling for Mularky head in 09'Now calling for Ryan and TD in 2 years you guys will see what I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybirdz10984 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Hard to find a decent QB these days. we will return to our pre vick days if we get rid of Matt Ryan. best thing to do is build an O-line around him. Get some CB's and new coordinators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMVP Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 We knew it was a 'little bit of everything' after the GB loss last year. Do people even know that?I realize you may know that, but it's fairly obvious that not everyone sees it that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d#d#d# Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Ryans needs a WCO to excell/thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCEagleATLFalcon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 scrutiny is fine, but the reality is that the only way Matt Ryan is your guy for only 2 more years is if he gets injured who takes a step back. Matt Ryan's season still progressed from last yearI know that. And if you knew me, you'd know I want Matt to succeed as much as anyone. Just tired of him looking shaken and lost in big games. Goes back to his BC days. (Sure, it's not just about the QB in any game, but Matt's demeanor alone in big games is frustrating as h*ll to watch.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMVP Posted January 9, 2012 Author Share Posted January 9, 2012 trade Ryan while still has value bring in new OC and a strong arm QB that attacks seams and throws long ballRyan needs to go . He is main part of problemsame excuses fans gave for Vick- not enough weapona- oline - New coordinatorenough is enough Matg Ryan is avgRyan is certainly a main part of the problem...right now anyway. So I take it, Swift, that you feel he's at his ceiling? It's your right to feel that way...I just don't know...I've seen cases where you'd be right...and those where you'd be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Mularky doesnt get a free pass . Back in 09' i was calling for Mularky head but he has tailored his offense around a QB and hiding his flawsYou guys are 2 years behind me i was calling for Mularky head in 09'Now calling for Ryan and TD in 2 years you guys will see what I seeYou would have called for Brees' head in San Diego and still been wrong. Yes, I will agree you were right about MM. But I don't think he is "hiding Ryan's flaws" like you say. How does Ryan throw a seam when nobody runs it? Julio ran a seam in the Saints game in the red zone and Ryan threw a perfect strike. We can all agree Ryan's biggest strength is his accuracy 20 yards and in. Get an OC who can capitalize on that. I think the OLine will be fixed this year with a FA RG and possibly a LT in the draft (I have no clue who though). That solves 2 issues. Then, if Ryan still can't get it done, then maybe you are right. But give Ryan an attacking coordinator and he will look good. He threw for 4000 yards in a chokehold of an offense with plenty of drops. Imagine a coordinator better than MM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 trade Ryan while still has valuebring in new OC and a strong arm QB that attacks seams and throws long ballRyan needs to go . He is main part of problemsame excuses fans gave for Vick- not enough weapona- oline- New coordinatorenough is enough Matg Ryan is avg LOL!!!!!!!!! I'm riding with Swift on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I know that. And if you knew me, you'd know I want Matt to succeed as much as anyone. Just tired of him looking shaken and lost in big games. Goes back to his BC days. (Sure, it's not just about the QB in any game, but Matt's demeanor alone in big games is frustrating as h*ll to watch.) And this is coming from a BC fan.http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/player/67/57746/passing/situational.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoLuvinMyFalcons Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 trade Ryan while still has value bring in new OC and a strong arm QB that attacks seams and throws long ball Ryan needs to go . He is main part of problem same excuses fans gave for Vick - not enough weapona - oline - New coordinator enough is enough Matg Ryan is avgUsually I will not respond to stupidity, but I really have to ask. What QB would you be drafting or trading for? Who is out there for you to go get? Please don't say Payton Manning or say draft one. If you do then honestly we all know what is your biggest problem and it has nothing to do with Matt Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard_falcon Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 You would have called for Brees' head in San Diego and still been wrong. Yes, I will agree you were right about MM. But I don't think he is "hiding Ryan's flaws" like you say. How does Ryan throw a seam when nobody runs it? Julio ran a seam in the Saints game in the red zone and Ryan threw a perfect strike. We can all agree Ryan's biggest strength is his accuracy 20 yards and in. Get an OC who can capitalize on that. I think the OLine will be fixed this year with a FA RG and possibly a LT in the draft (I have no clue who though). That solves 2 issues.Then, if Ryan still can't get it done, then maybe you are right. But give Ryan an attacking coordinator and he will look good. He threw for 4000 yards in a chokehold of an offense with plenty of drops. Imagine a coordinator better than MM.I was watching the game with a Giants fan, three Redskins fans, and an Eagles fan... and they were all asking one thing:"What the heck is wrong with your offensive coordinator?"Objective non-Falcons fans who watch us play consistently ask me over and over why our offense underperforms. They can recognize all the talent we have, but they see the same things that I do: An offensive scheme that is not aggressive, does not attack downfield, does not know how to use screen passes to slow down the pass rush, and cannot pick up a 3rd or 4th and 1 to save its life.If we had an offensive coordinator like the Panthers or Saints, I think you would see our points per game average jump from 25ish to 30ish, and we definitely wouldn't generate ZERO freaking points in a playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenduke Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I don't blame Ryan for the fact that HD never gets used or Quizz and Snelling never get any screens or the fact that Trent Cole for the Eagles was killing Baker and our coaches never seemed to understand that he needed help with a chipping RB or a TE. Or the fact that we had Green bay in the first half due to imaginative play calling and then stopped in the second have and we haven't seen it since!I would love to see a change at OC and then see if it's Ryan or not. In the game of football it seems to be the cheapest and easiest route then ditching a pretty good QB and then end up like Washington or Jacksonville for the next five to ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isproab Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) Without a doubt you have to extend him. IF you decide you need to go another way, you have to give a rookied time to develope. Matt just completed year 4 of a 6 year deal. I doubt we get a rookie QB that is capable of starting in 2014 in this years draft. I think you extend Matt (3 more years) so that if you decide after next season he is not going to work for you long term (or just have more doubts about him), you at least give yourself maybe 2013 to draft a guy but still have Matt to start and play.Falcons are like they said on 790, not bad enought to be in the hunt for a top pick but not good enough to make noise in the playoffs. The o-line is a problem, RB, is a problem. QB's are the most expensive and vital piece. Not every guy that has the physical tools has the "head" for the game. Plus, it takes a while to get there if you have the right makeup for NFL QB. We were excited about Matt in 2008 - 2010 when things were on the up swing. Now, lets get the problematic line fixed. Lets get some more dynamic RBs.At the end of the day, I think you have to extend Matt, if you decide to go another way, extending him gives you time to develope another guy and you can get something for a 30 year old QB that has playoff experience. There are always teams like the Colts, Vikings, Chiefs, Redskins, Jags, etc that need a veteran to run the ship while a young QB gets ready. Edited January 9, 2012 by isproab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=abrahamburger= Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I realize you may know that, but it's fairly obvious that not everyone sees it that way...I thought most would have remembered the GB beatdown on ATL. Most do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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