Dunta

[freebird310]

Prolly not fair to single him out when DeCoud sucks just as bad ....but I am gonna come right out and say it, THIS GUY BLOWS AND IS A LIABILITY .....same goes for DeCoud .....we need a real ballhawking FS who is does not blow coverage on every other play ....and I would just as soon cut Duntas azz outright, cause no one else is gonna want him with his fatazz contract ...... ANYTHING is better than these two jokers ......

[PokerSteve]

Yeah, they could go out on the road as a stand-up comedy tandem. They could call themselves the Suck Brothers or even better, "The Lost Boys." If TD will cut them I'll pay $50 toward their bus fare out of town.

[UK13]

what kind of coverage did he play in Houston , I just wonder if he would be better in bump and run because the only thing we know for sure is he's a physical corner and also don't forget about Chris Houston becoming a descent corner when he left (probably just BVG scheme in all seriousness)

[freebird310]

Yeah, they could go out on the road as a stand-up comedy tandem. They could call themselves the Suck Brothers or even better, "The Lost Boys." If TD will cut them I'll pay $50 toward their bus fare out of town.

I like ' lost boys ' .....very fitting..........

Edited December 28, 2011 by freebird310

[rightsaidfred]

I have been disappointed by DRob's play, too. But I will say that in the NO game, that INT he got was a pretty good play. AND - he was in a position where, IMO, the safety should have been. It seemed like it may have been a blown coverage and DRob went over, like a safety would have, and covered the receiver. Then, he not only deflected the ball, he caught it.

This just reinforces my stance that ATL plays too much zone. IMO, DRob in man to man is a better CB

[lju713]

Yeah, they could go out on the road as a stand-up comedy tandem. They could call themselves the Suck Brothers or even better, "The Lost Boys." If TD will cut them I'll pay $50 toward their bus fare out of town.

The Lost Boys.....priceless

[pzummo]

Man, you guys really harp on any play Dunta gets beat. He didn't even give up a single TD this game. The first TD was a Pierre Thomas rushing TD. The 2nd TD Franks got beat by Colston. The 3rd TD was Graham over Grimes. The 4th TD was Meachum over Moore and DeCoud. The 5th TD was defensive. The 6th TD was Sproles between Spoon and Lofton.

Every WR is going to give up passing yards throughout a game. Especially playing in a zone defense if the passrush is not getting to the QB. The entire goal of a zone defense is for your passrush to get to the QB before the WR can get to the soft part of the zone. No passrush equates to WR's making catches in the soft spot of our zone coverage. Grimes gave up his fair share of plays in that game as well, including a TD to Graham.

This is the Cover 2. Look at where the soft zones are and tell me where Dunta is getting beat. Every time he releases the WR deep, you all act like it's his fault, meanwhile a CB is NOT supposed to follow a WR out of his zone. If he does, there's NOBODY covering his portion of the field. If a CB evacuates his zone because a WR is going long against this type of coverage, an easier 5 yard completion goes for 20+. The ONLY time a CB is not going to release the WR is if the ball is already in the air, which only occurs when the passrush gets to the QB. If the QB has 4 seconds, the CB is not going to follow the WR out of his zone.

Dunta was not the problem with our defense in this game. The lack of passrush was our problem. It's not like he had a great game or anything like that, because he did give up a few plays. But no more than anyone else on the defense, and unlike many others, he didn't give up any scores.

[Andre5000]

Ive had his back all season.. Till this last game. Horrible

I like ' lost boys ' .....very fitting..........

great nickname

[freebird310]

Man, you guys really harp on any play Dunta gets beat. He didn't even give up a single TD this game. The first TD was a Pierre Thomas rushing TD. The 2nd TD Franks got beat by Colston. The 3rd TD was Graham over Grimes. The 4th TD was Meachum over Moore and DeCoud. The 5th TD was defensive. The 6th TD was Sproles between Spoon and Lofton.

Every WR is going to give up passing yards throughout a game. Especially playing in a zone defense if the passrush is not getting to the QB. The entire goal of a zone defense is for your passrush to get to the QB before the WR can get to the soft part of the zone. No passrush equates to WR's making catches in the soft spot of our zone coverage. Grimes gave up his fair share of plays in that game as well, including a TD to Graham.

This is the Cover 2. Look at where the soft zones are and tell me where Dunta is getting beat. Every time he releases the WR deep, you all act like it's his fault, meanwhile a CB is NOT supposed to follow a WR out of his zone. If he does, there's NOBODY covering his portion of the field. If a CB evacuates his zone because a WR is going long against this type of coverage, an easier 5 yard completion goes for 20+. The ONLY time a CB is not going to release the WR is if the ball is already in the air, which only occurs when the passrush gets to the QB. If the QB has 4 seconds, the CB is not going to follow the WR out of his zone.

Dunta was not the problem with our defense in this game. The lack of passrush was our problem. It's not like he had a great game or anything like that, because he did give up a few plays. But no more than anyone else on the defense, and unlike many others, he didn't give up any scores.

BS, the MOFO is ALWAYS out of posistion, and nowhere near his man ....look up hot garbage in the dictionary you will see his picture .........

[FalconinPA]

BS, the MOFO is ALWAYS out of posistion, and nowhere near his man ....look up hot garbage in the dictionary you will see his picture .........

This is true, but I think Decoud is the first picture beneath hot garbage. True Dunta sucks, but at least I have seen Dunta making tackles. The only times I see Decoud he is either on the ground reaching up for a tackle, falling down as his man is catching a TD, or dancing after he has finally stopped the RB 50 yards down field.

You know it is bad when I have not seen the front of his uniform all season, and I have watched every game. Everytime the camera picks him up he is usually on the ground or 20 miles behimd the opponent in pursuit.

Ray Edwards is working hard to get the top hot garbage picture in Merriam-Webster's.

[freebird310]

This is true, but I think Decoud is the first picture beneath hot garbage. True Dunta sucks, but at least I have seen Dunta making tackles. The only times I see Decoud he is either on the ground reaching up for a tackle, falling down as his man is catching a TD, or dancing after he has finally stopped the RB 50 yards down field.

You know it is bad when I have not seen the front of his uniform all season, and I have watched every game. Everytime the camera picks him up he is usually on the ground or 20 miles behimd the opponent in pursuit.

Ray Edwards is working hard to get the top hot garbage picture in Merriam-Webster's.

True ...........DeCoud should have that honor ........

[Guest Gritz]

Yeah, they could go out on the road as a stand-up comedy tandem. They could call themselves the Suck Brothers or even better, "The Lost Boys." If TD will cut them I'll pay $50 toward their bus fare out of town.

I like ' lost boys ' .....very fitting..........

[freebird310]

Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!

[Guest Gritz]

Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!

I kinda like this one too. You guys inspire me.

[FalconinPA]

LMFAO!!! +1 Throw in Ray Ray Edwards and we are set to do the remake.

[pzummo]

BS, the MOFO is ALWAYS out of posistion, and nowhere near his man ....look up hot garbage in the dictionary you will see his picture .........

The same response we ALWAYS hear. He's always out of position, he's always getting beat, blah blah blah. I show facts where he did not give up a single TD the entire game, and the response is a baseless claim without any supporting facts.

The truth is that teams with good QB's and good protection are eating up our zone scheme. Teams with mediocre to bad OL's are unable to exploit the soft spots in our zone because our passrush is able to disrupt them before they can let the deep routes develop.

Newsflash. If a CB releases the WR, that does not equate to the CB getting beat. If the CB is in zone coverage, he's not going to exit his zone until the ball is in the air. Most of the plays you all complain about him getting beat deep, the WR is not even in Dunta's zone. The WR might have run through Dunta's zone, Dunta released him, and then Dunta ran after him after the ball was thrown.

Here's a nice, short, educational video on the Cover 2 Zone defense for anyone that doesn't understand it. This is why you do not see Dunta Robinson (or other CB's) running 15-20 yards downfield to cover a WR unless the ball has already been thrown. If the QB is able to hold onto the ball long enough for the WR to get past the CB's zone, the WR is going to be open if the Safety does not get over in time.

[freebird310]

The same response we ALWAYS hear. He's always out of position, he's always getting beat, blah blah blah. I show facts where he did not give up a single TD the entire game, and the response is a baseless claim without any supporting facts.

The truth is that teams with good QB's and good protection are eating up our zone scheme. Teams with mediocre to bad OL's are unable to exploit the soft spots in our zone because our passrush is able to disrupt them before they can let the deep routes develop.

Newsflash. If a CB releases the WR, that does not equate to the CB getting beat. If the CB is in zone coverage, he's not going to exit his zone until the ball is in the air. Most of the plays you all complain about him getting beat deep, the WR is not even in Dunta's zone. The WR might have run through Dunta's zone, Dunta released him, and then Dunta ran after him after the ball was thrown.

Here's a nice, short, educational video on the Cover 2 Zone defense for anyone that doesn't understand it. This is why you do not see Dunta Robinson (or other CB's) running 15-20 yards downfield to cover a WR unless the ball has already been thrown. If the QB is able to hold onto the ball long enough for the WR to get past the CB's zone, the WR is going to be open if the Safety does not get over in time.

Man GTFO with that BS, if you want to defend him fine, your perogative, but don't try to educate me Coach Corky, trust me, I'm not the only one that thinks he sucks .......

[blkbigdog35]

Man, you guys really harp on any play Dunta gets beat. He didn't even give up a single TD this game. The first TD was a Pierre Thomas rushing TD. The 2nd TD Franks got beat by Colston. The 3rd TD was Graham over Grimes. The 4th TD was Meachum over Moore and DeCoud. The 5th TD was defensive. The 6th TD was Sproles between Spoon and Lofton.

Every WR is going to give up passing yards throughout a game. Especially playing in a zone defense if the passrush is not getting to the QB. The entire goal of a zone defense is for your passrush to get to the QB before the WR can get to the soft part of the zone. No passrush equates to WR's making catches in the soft spot of our zone coverage. Grimes gave up his fair share of plays in that game as well, including a TD to Graham.

This is the Cover 2. Look at where the soft zones are and tell me where Dunta is getting beat. Every time he releases the WR deep, you all act like it's his fault, meanwhile a CB is NOT supposed to follow a WR out of his zone. If he does, there's NOBODY covering his portion of the field. If a CB evacuates his zone because a WR is going long against this type of coverage, an easier 5 yard completion goes for 20+. The ONLY time a CB is not going to release the WR is if the ball is already in the air, which only occurs when the passrush gets to the QB. If the QB has 4 seconds, the CB is not going to follow the WR out of his zone.

Dunta was not the problem with our defense in this game. The lack of passrush was our problem. It's not like he had a great game or anything like that, because he did give up a few plays. But no more than anyone else on the defense, and unlike many others, he didn't give up any scores.

Good Stuff and now hopefully some of these guys will get it and realize that it starts with our front 4 getting pressure. However it's still time for a new DC.

[Guest Gritz]

There are countless examples since Robinson's arrival here in Atlanta of times when a WR was still in Robinson's area of responsibility (or zone) where Dunta was off of his man by too much...I think there are a couple of reasons why this happens on a relatively frequent basis:

1.) Fear of getting beat deep....both deep in Dunta's zone and just deep in general (obviously the safeties responsibility in most variations of the Cover or Tampa 2.)

2.) Inability or disinterest in chucking receiver at line.....You only have 5 yards in which you can do it otherwise you'll get the illegal contact, holding or interference call, depending upon where the ball is. If you're already giving up a significant cushion to the receiver before the ball is even snapped you can't be close enough to reroute the WR.

[kiwifalcon]

Man, you guys really harp on any play Dunta gets beat. He didn't even give up a single TD this game. The first TD was a Pierre Thomas rushing TD. The 2nd TD Franks got beat by Colston. The 3rd TD was Graham over Grimes. The 4th TD was Meachum over Moore and DeCoud. The 5th TD was defensive. The 6th TD was Sproles between Spoon and Lofton.

Every WR is going to give up passing yards throughout a game. Especially playing in a zone defense if the passrush is not getting to the QB. The entire goal of a zone defense is for your passrush to get to the QB before the WR can get to the soft part of the zone. No passrush equates to WR's making catches in the soft spot of our zone coverage. Grimes gave up his fair share of plays in that game as well, including a TD to Graham.

This is the Cover 2. Look at where the soft zones are and tell me where Dunta is getting beat. Every time he releases the WR deep, you all act like it's his fault, meanwhile a CB is NOT supposed to follow a WR out of his zone. If he does, there's NOBODY covering his portion of the field. If a CB evacuates his zone because a WR is going long against this type of coverage, an easier 5 yard completion goes for 20+. The ONLY time a CB is not going to release the WR is if the ball is already in the air, which only occurs when the passrush gets to the QB. If the QB has 4 seconds, the CB is not going to follow the WR out of his zone.

Dunta was not the problem with our defense in this game. The lack of passrush was our problem. It's not like he had a great game or anything like that, because he did give up a few plays. But no more than anyone else on the defense, and unlike many others, he didn't give up any scores.

Hello we think alike our SOFT ZONE SCHEME isn't the problem the scheme that people cry about gets exposed because we got crushed at the LOS on both sides of the ball thats where we have to win our whole gameplan is predicated on winning at the LOS the sooner people understand this the better.

I mean why do you think Turners numbers have suffered people say he's lost a step but I don't care who the RB is if your line isn't getting any puish or opening holes how is Turner supposed to break out..

Hello AFMBers read this post if we lose upfront at the LOS both sides of the ball more times than not we lose the game.

[pzummo]

Man GTFO with that BS, if you want to defend him fine, your perogative, but don't try to educate me Coach Corky, trust me, I'm not the only one that thinks he sucks .......

It's your perogative to watch and learn or sit back and whine. There are some plays where Dunta gets beat and I don't defend him when people complain about those. But I am going to defend him when people are complaining about him when a guy like Brees eats up our zone with no passrush.

In this game, he did not give up a TD and he played his zone how he was supposed to. He gave up a couple of plays but was no where near our worst defender in this game. It's a bit annoying when everyone harps on one player when there are others that are not doing their job. It's kind of like people whining about Ryan when the OL doesn't protect him. Or whining about Turner on a play he's hit in the backfield.

[Guest Gritz]

Hello we think alike our SOFT ZONE SCHEME isn't the problem the scheme that people cry about gets exposed because we got crushed at the LOS on both sides of the ball thats where we have to win our whole gameplan is predicated on winning at the LOS the sooner people understand this the better.

I mean why do you think Turners numbers have suffered people say he's lost a step but I don't care who the RB is if your line isn't getting any puish or opening holes how is Turner supposed to break out..

Hello AFMBers read this post if we lose upfront at the LOS both sides of the ball more times than not we lose the game.

There is much truth in this, but a lot of the "madden crowd" as I like to call them don't really want to understand or care to grasp one of the simplest fundamentals of excellent football performance:

The lines......It is the lines. If you have the twin disasters of a leaky, mushy offensive line and a non-penetrating, reactive (instead of proactive) d-line you are never, NEVER going to be an elite team in the NFL......or any other level of football for that matter.

[kiwifalcon]

It's your perogative to watch and learn or sit back and whine. There are some plays where Dunta gets beat and I don't defend him when people complain about those. But I am going to defend him when people are complaining about him when a guy like Brees eats up our zone with no passrush.

In this game, he did not give up a TD and he played his zone how he was supposed to. He gave up a couple of plays but was no where near our worst defender in this game. It's a bit annoying when everyone harps on one player when there are others that are not doing their job. It's kind of like people whining about Ryan when the OL doesn't protect him. Or whining about Turner on a play he's hit in the backfield.

Thats all I watched especially defensively the front 4 and straight up they got crushed they got very little penetration and no pressure on a consistent basis hence the saints to there credit ran the ball and gave Brees all day to throw,I no you saw the samething it's eassy for people on here to pick apart certain players but if they are'nt choosing to watch the important bits ie that defensive front 4 of ours then thats why I believe its easy for them to have the knieves out for a certain guy.

[RS91]

The main problem with our secondary is DeCoud. Dunta is pretty crappy sometimes, but if you are going to stay in a 2 deep zone for an entire game you better have a couple of really good safeties. I think Moore is going to be a good player for us, but DeCoud is almost always late with help over the top because his instincts are basically non-existent.

[kiwifalcon]

There is much truth in this, but a lot of the "madden crowd" as I like to call them don't really want to understand or care to grasp one of the simplest fundamentals of excellent football performance:

The lines......It is the lines. If you have the twin disasters of a leaky, mushy offensive line and a non-penetrating, reactive (instead of proactive) d-line you are never, NEVER going to be an elite team in the NFL......or any other level of football for that matter.

Sorry for going off topic slightly but NFL isn't my no.1 watch when it comes to sport we play several games similar down our part of the world ie Rugby Union and Rugby League and its much the same in these games the hard work must be done in the trenches on a consistent basis to win games and its much the same in this game also.