Td Came From New England

[vel]

But he didn't bring that level of accountability with him. Belichick is not afraid to pull a player if they make a dumb mistake. Ochocinco ruins a big play by lining up wrong and even though it is his first game, he is on the bench the rest of the drive. Spoon misses a tackle and is right back out there.

When does he get punished? He is giving up big plays. Sit him for Pete or Nicholas on passing downs or both for the next few plays and I bet his arms start working again. Same with DRob. I bet if he got sat, he would learn how to stay on his feet and cover better. I'd take my chances with Owens and Franks as both are better than a DRob on the ground.

Yea you can't sit Ryan but talk to him. Not threaten him but he was gittery and shook. Look at Brady. Ryan had time like that on a couple of plays but isn't patient and just checked it down. If you have time, use it! Calm him down and let him play his game. Watch the documentary on Belichick. When Brady got flustered, he just pulled him aside and calmed him down and told him play his game. Brady goes back out there and goes back to work. But not Ryan. He goes back out there and still looks flustered. He had players open but was scared. Prime example: Tony G in the red zone to start the third quarter. Yet, Ryan checks down because he knows who is lurking in the middle: Urlacher. Doesn't matter if Tony G is wide open. Seriously think about the game. After getting picked by Urlacher, when did he go back to the middle of the field besides check downs? Ryan got scared early and never recovered. He better not freeze up next week.

[The Falcon Jedi Knight]

Good point. I think Smith should have made a statement and benched Spoon for a series. Esp. after Spoon gave Smith that condescending pat on the butt, I would have benched him right there just for doing that.

[The Don™]

That's all coaching and mental toughness

[atlshocker]

TD is a reject of New england. There doing fine drafting while be draft backups

[Banned]

Don't mean to be snooty but last time I checked Mike Smith was the head coach and not TD. I don't think TD makes those kind of in game calls. I don't like how Mike sugarcoats everything in interviews. Him saying Hawley played well out there made me mad and I bet that's what he told him when he came off of the field on Sunday.

Edited September 13, 2011 by Adenusi

[Big Zee]

First we got robbed with Dunta.... we were in desperate need of a CB and his agent took advantage of us. I'm not saying he's horrible, but he's nothing more than an average CB in this league yet he's getting paid like he's top 5... he should exchange salary with Grimes, our real #1.

As for Ryan, I'm not sure if he played like that at BC but he needs to grow a pair and let one fly even with double coverage. He needs to trust his receivers. Roddy has turned into one of the best in the NFL and I remember when he was younger and struggling, he was a deep threat. Roddy has become an elite receiver and can still fly... yet we keep running curls, hooks, and out routes with him. We got Julio because he's got great size can run 4.3 something forty yard dash yet we never even try to show off his speed and skill? Not even once???

I know its the first game of the season and we have a lot of time to improve and I know we will, but if we don't adjust our offensive and defensive philosophies, we may end up in the playoffs but we'll be out in round one.

[atlshocker]

Grimes is trash wtf u talking about our true number1? dude only makes plays when balls are throw straight to him. He gets burnt more than anything.

[Morewheat]

But he didn't bring that level of accountability with him. Belichick is not afraid to pull a player if they make a dumb mistake. Ochocinco ruins a big play by lining up wrong and even though it is his first game, he is on the bench the rest of the drive. Spoon misses a tackle and is right back out there.

When does he get punished? He is giving up big plays. Sit him for Pete or Nicholas on passing downs or both for the next few plays and I bet his arms start working again. Same with DRob. I bet if he got sat, he would learn how to stay on his feet and cover better. I'd take my chances with Owens and Franks as both are better than a DRob on the ground.

Yea you can't sit Ryan but talk to him. Not threaten him but he was gittery and shook. Look at Brady. Ryan had time like that on a couple of plays but isn't patient and just checked it down. If you have time, use it! Calm him down and let him play his game. Watch the documentary on Belichick. When Brady got flustered, he just pulled him aside and calmed him down and told him play his game. Brady goes back out there and goes back to work. But not Ryan. He goes back out there and still looks flustered. He had players open but was scared. Prime example: Tony G in the red zone to start the third quarter. Yet, Ryan checks down because he knows who is lurking in the middle: Urlacher. Doesn't matter if Tony G is wide open. Seriously think about the game. After getting picked by Urlacher, when did he go back to the middle of the field besides check downs? Ryan got scared early and never recovered. He better not freeze up next week.

The answer to this post is simple. Thomas Dimitroff is not the head coach. He makes personnel decisions. He doesn't coach the team.

[Big Zee]

Grimes is trash wtf u talking about our true number1? dude only makes plays when balls are throw straight to him. He gets burnt more than anything.

What game were you watching? Grimes got beat a couple of times but he actually tried to make plays on the ball. Regardless, Grimes >>>>>> Robinson any day of the week, twice on Sundays.

[atlshocker]

What game were you watching? Grimes got beat a couple of times but he actually tried to make plays on the ball. Regardless, Grimes >>>>>> Robinson any day of the week, twice on Sundays.

Sundays game. Hester scored on him. He whiffed a tackle on 2 screen plays. I could go on.

I mean i know CB get burnt sometimes, but I watch Grimes almost every play and I see whats going on.

When people name shutdown corners you wont hear Grimes name EVER. Stop being content with crap. Our Secondary has been a problem has been a problem for way to long and next to nothing has been done to fix it. Hope Hayden/Sanders has an affect.

[Super Mario]

A guy who's a scout who has never coached before or made big decision in football is now the GM of our team. Even in New England, while he may have scouted players, he was not the one pulling the trigger.

It's not unsurprising that our draft classes have at best been average. Yes, Dimitroff may know how to scout guys, but does he know how to pick the right player?

Edited September 13, 2011 by Vick to Julio

[vel]

Yea TD is not the head coach but don't you think he would talk to Smitty about accountability. Clearly whatever Smitty is telling them isn't working in regards to tackling. Our tackling has been worse since he got here than when it was YKW's team.

[atlishome]

A guy who's a scout who has never coached before or made big decision in football is now the GM of our team. Even in New England, while he may have scouted players, he was not the one pulling the trigger.

It's not unsurprising that our draft classes have at best been average. Yes, Dimitroff may know how to scout guys, but does he know how to pick the right player?

Placing “not” in front of “unsurprising” garbles the meaning. Something is either surprising or not surprising.

Eample: Vick throwing a pass to Julio is not surprisingly ever going to happen, unless you have a dream about it.

Edited September 13, 2011 by atlishome

[Xfactor]

Good point. I think Smith should have made a statement and benched Spoon for a series. Esp. after Spoon gave Smith that condescending pat on the butt, I would have benched him right there just for doing that.

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I agree Spoon, Robinson and Turner should have been benched for a series or two. To much hand clapping and writing in the notebook after a bad series or a player mistake how about some *** chewing and accountability.

[madman88]

your trying to compare a GM to a COACH???? really? like really? how does that even make a little bit of sense?

[Kung-Pow]

But he didn't bring that level of accountability with him. Belichick is not afraid to pull a player if they make a dumb mistake. Ochocinco ruins a big play by lining up wrong and even though it is his first game, he is on the bench the rest of the drive. Spoon misses a tackle and is right back out there.

When does he get punished? He is giving up big plays. Sit him for Pete or Nicholas on passing downs or both for the next few plays and I bet his arms start working again. Same with DRob. I bet if he got sat, he would learn how to stay on his feet and cover better. I'd take my chances with Owens and Franks as both are better than a DRob on the ground.

Yea you can't sit Ryan but talk to him. Not threaten him but he was gittery and shook. Look at Brady. Ryan had time like that on a couple of plays but isn't patient and just checked it down. If you have time, use it! Calm him down and let him play his game. Watch the documentary on Belichick. When Brady got flustered, he just pulled him aside and calmed him down and told him play his game. Brady goes back out there and goes back to work. But not Ryan. He goes back out there and still looks flustered. He had players open but was scared. Prime example: Tony G in the red zone to start the third quarter. Yet, Ryan checks down because he knows who is lurking in the middle: Urlacher. Doesn't matter if Tony G is wide open. Seriously think about the game. After getting picked by Urlacher, when did he go back to the middle of the field besides check downs? Ryan got scared early and never recovered. He better not freeze up next week.

Well, firstly, pulling Spoon wouldn't have been TD's call; it would have belonged to BVG/Smitty. Secondly, he didn't give up big plays; he gave up a big play. Spoon made plays all over the field, Sunday. He was a big factor in our effectiveness against the run. Furthermore, Smith AND Lofton both had words for Spoon on the sideline after the play. There are mental errors and there are physical. In baseball, you here it all the time. Lining up wrong is a mental error. That failure to wrap up was physical. He tried to knock him over, just didn't.

Surprised to see such a knee-jerk reactionary post from you, Vel.

And as far as benching Rob, you'd be short two starting CBs if you benched everyone that missed a tackle slipping on the turf, Sunday. Grimes slipped on tackle and gave up a big gainer to Roy Williams.

Also, I didn't see the same Ryan you saw. True, he chose not to live dangerously with the deep ball, but the guy stood and delivered in the face of a bunch of guys laying some heavy wood on him. I saw him composed throughout that game. His internal clock went off faster than it should have on no more than three throws, but there were there were no deep routes on those occasions anyway. You can tell a shook QB from his footwork. Ryan's was never sloppy.

And Ryan did go back to the middle of the field when routes were there. A pass was completed to Julio Jones for a first down across the middle. And if you consider where Urlacher caught that pass to be "middle of the field," then I'd also direct you to the first down throw to Roddy White to give us first 1st-and-goal at the 7.

You're off base on this one.

[vel]

I will admit that this is a bit knee jerk Kung-Pow. You know I am not one to run from the truth. But they are basically trying to be New England south. There seems to be little accountability around here. That's where TD comes in. He was around Belichick and could provide some pointers on upping the accountability. Maybe we don't see it but it doesn't feel like its there.

But we will have to agree to disagree about Ryan. Example: 3rd & long. 4th quarter. Down 30-6. Ryan looks deep, deep, deep, check down. How does an INT deep hurt you? Checking down results in a punt. Throwing a deep INT results in a punt. At least throwing deep you have a chance for a spark. He was not in attack mode. He was in management mode. And I don't necessarily mean the dead middle but in Urlacher's area. No, he didn't back to him. Naming one play doesn't prove he did. You can be satisfied with his performance, but I'm not. He was scared to be great. Sometimes you have to take a chance to make a play.

If I told you we lost 30-6 (not gonna included Biermann's TD for this) to the Bears, you would assume Ryan threw multiple picks and we were abused on defense. Neither happened. Ryan threw 1 pick and the defense held for all but 2 plays. I would rather us lose 30-6 with 7 turnovers than to lose 30-6 with just 3. At least the Steelers when down fighting. We went down like the Titanic.

[ghostofdonkey]

TD is a reject of New england. There doing fine drafting while be draft backups

wow someone gets it.

Thomas "has to act like smartest man in the room" Dimitroff is a poser. How are you going to watch the defense get throttled then throw away an entire draft for a WR? It's Rich Mckayish.

take a long hard look at his drafts, they are below average.

the Pats are doing fine without the "boy genius", you can't just pick someone within an org and expect that one person to create that dominate org. Tom Brady is great, Bill b is great.

Noodle blows and Smith is a blow hard, it's pretty simple.

[Super Mario]

My main man Tom the real deal QB just threw 500 yards and 4 TDs to win.

[Bob Ðigital]

Man oh man... last time I checked we were still rebuilding. We were blessed to have the great start we did, and now everyone thinks getting to the Super Bowl is so easy. I knew this was gonna happen after year two's promising season. It takes time and nothing in the NFL is promised anyhow... not even to "The Great" New England Patriots. They have room for more fans if it bothers you this much. I'll stay here and remain thankful for our current staff.

[Mr. 0-2 aka Top Ramen]

Rebuilding? lmao

[Guest JoeSr]

We are in our 4th season and we are still rebuilding?

[Bob Ðigital]

Rebuilding? lmao

LMAO... yeah.

[Kung-Pow]

I will admit that this is a bit knee jerk Kung-Pow. You know I am not one to run from the truth. But they are basically trying to be New England south. There seems to be little accountability around here. That's where TD comes in. He was around Belichick and could provide some pointers on upping the accountability. Maybe we don't see it but it doesn't feel like its there.

But we will have to agree to disagree about Ryan. Example: 3rd & long. 4th quarter. Down 30-6. Ryan looks deep, deep, deep, check down. How does an INT deep hurt you? Checking down results in a punt. Throwing a deep INT results in a punt. At least throwing deep you have a chance for a spark. He was not in attack mode. He was in management mode. And I don't necessarily mean the dead middle but in Urlacher's area. No, he didn't back to him. Naming one play doesn't prove he did. You can be satisfied with his performance, but I'm not. He was scared to be great. Sometimes you have to take a chance to make a play.

If I told you we lost 30-6 (not gonna included Biermann's TD for this) to the Bears, you would assume Ryan threw multiple picks and we were abused on defense. Neither happened. Ryan threw 1 pick and the defense held for all but 2 plays. I would rather us lose 30-6 with 7 turnovers than to lose 30-6 with just 3. At least the Steelers when down fighting. We went down like the Titanic.

I hear ya. I do agree that Ryan was in management mode and maybe needs a change in his approach. Not sure if you watched if you watched ND-Mich, but Mich QB Denard Robinson was just throwing balls up deep down the field trusting his guys to make plays. Often, they did but he got burned with a pick doing that also. I'd like to see Ryan show more trust in his guys to go up and make plays in a similar fashion, but don't want to see careless interceptions.

[Mr. 0-2 aka Top Ramen]

I hear ya. I do agree that Ryan was in management mode and maybe needs a change in his approach. Not sure if you watched if you watched ND-Mich, but Mich QB Denard Robinson was just throwing balls up deep down the field trusting his guys to make plays. Often, they did but he got burned with a pick doing that also. I'd like to see Ryan show more trust in his guys to go up and make plays in a similar fashion, but don't want to see careless interceptions.

Id rather Ryan throw 15 picks while making plays than throw 5 and go a whole season dinking and dunking with a bunch of 3 and outs, which in turn is wearing our defense OUT.