The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 What's the difference? Why do they do it so well, with just as horrible Secondary as ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 A competent DC, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Salad Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Difference is the Bears have playmakers. We have pretenders. No speed and undersized. Falcons opponents have punted twice in the last two regular season games. Need I say more. BVG is a college defensive coordinator nothing more. And offense is built to run the ball not spread it out like New England. Our o-line is better suiteed to run block not pass block. Take what you got and run the football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 If you noticed we only gave up 10 completions on first and second down combined. the other 12 came on third down when Gorder employed a prevent defense that left the middle of the field wide open, let me put it to you this way. it's not our secondary it's our playcaller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl/0 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Better coaching and they don't have a bunch of Dudley do rights on defense. They are out there to mess you up while we are just content with forcing you to kick a field goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlGM Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Think the main differnce is Urlacher in the middle. I love lofton but his coverage skills are no where near superb. #2 the DC askes the bears corners to bump the receiver at the line and they do a good job at it. We ask our corners to play off coverage for what reason i dont know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 DT's who don't get spread out every other play letting the QB step up to avoid the pressure off the edges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 The Bears have been together for how long? Come on guys. They have invest more in that defense than anything else. The grass is always greener. Do you want a suspect offense as well? They have players that are very zone aware and a front four that is vicious. Our front four was good early but the back 7 struggle in coverage. Lofton needs to come off the field. Period. His pride is killing him. He is not a 3 down LB. Our players get to their zones and die. For instance, Owens was dropping to his zone but nobody was threatening it. Yet he continued to drop and it opened up a window for Knox to sit in. If he was zone aware, he would know the weakness of the zone and slowed down a little. He knew Knox was behind him. He looked at him, continued to drop passed him instead of guarding him. The only route that would have killed him was an out but he had the sideline and corner helping him. There was only Knox on that side of the field. Nobody else. Our players are very good at getting to there zones. They suck after they get to their zones. I seriously don't think they know/understand the weaknesses of the zones they are playing. Nobody plays passing lanes outside of Grimes. Yea this is just one game and a bad one, but they better show otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E. T. Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Difference is the Bears have playmakers. We have pretenders. No speed and undersized. Falcons opponents have punted twice in the last two regular season games. Need I say more. BVG is a college defensive coordinator nothing more. And offense is built to run the ball not spread it out like New England. Our o-line is better suiteed to run block not pass block. Take what you got and run the football! Man....we got problems! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 To run a true tampa 2, you have to get pressure with your DTs (collapse pockets) and have a MLB who is rangy and a playmaker against the pass. If we had those elements, we could run that D effectively, but we don't.I will say they've at least been trying to get the DT thing fixed, and that is going to be key for whatever defense is run. You need to penetrate the interior OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl/0 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 The Bears have been together for how long? Come on guys. They have invest more in that defense than anything else. The grass is always greener. Do you want a suspect offense as well? They have players that are very zone aware and a front four that is vicious. Our front four was good early but the back 7 struggle in coverage. Lofton needs to come off the field. Period. His pride is killing him. He is not a 3 down LB.Our players get to their zones and die. For instance, Owens was dropping to his zone but nobody was threatening it. Yet he continued to drop and it opened up a window for Knox to sit in. If he was zone aware, he would know the weakness of the zone and slowed down a little. He knew Knox was behind him. He looked at him, continued to drop passed him instead of guarding him. The only route that would have killed him was an out but he had the sideline and corner helping him. There was only Knox on that side of the field. Nobody else.Our players are very good at getting to there zones. They suck after they get to their zones. I seriously don't think they know/understand the weaknesses of the zones they are playing. Nobody plays passing lanes outside of Grimes. Yea this is just one game and a bad one, but they better show otherwiseGood friggin post.Your right about Lofton he's strickly a run stopper. but who else we going to put out there? Nicholas is the best coverage linebacker we have and that's like being the skinniest person in fat camp.Weatherspoon is a Sam's choice version of Clay Matthews. He can be used for blitzes but he is a liability just like Lofton in coverage.Our zone is not a lively zone like you were saying. Once they hit their spot they will sit. The only person that has any type of awareness out there is Grimes but unless it's a misplaced ball he get's ate up just like anyone else.Dunta is just a waste of talent on this team since he's a cover corner. We don't run any man so why is he even here?This D relies on relies on run stopping and mental mistakes by the opposing team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 Good friggin post.Your right about Lofton he's strickly a run stopper. but who else we going to put out there? Nicholas is the best coverage linebacker we have and that's like being the skinniest person in fat camp.Weatherspoon is a Sam's choice version of Clay Matthews. He can be used for blitzes but he is a liability just like Lofton in coverage.Our zone is not a lively zone like you were saying. Once they hit their spot they will sit. The only person that has any type of awareness out there is Grimes but unless it's a misplaced ball he get's ate up just like anyone else.Dunta is just a waste of talent on this team since he's a cover corner. We don't run any man so why is he even here?This D relies on relies on run stopping and mental mistakes by the opposing team.You know we drafted Weatherspoon Specifically to provide Coverage, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 pick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) Peppers, Briggs, Urlacher.... This is a playmakers league. Just being well coached and sound isn't enough. Edited September 12, 2011 by #1 pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 pick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 (edited) We should have signed Nnamdi, I told you guys no playmakers on defense would kill us if we didn't get Nnamdi. Edited September 12, 2011 by #1 pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoungHeezy Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Weatherspoon should've had a pick last night..he looked alot better in coverage yesterdayWe should have signed Nnamdi, I told you guys no playmakers on defense would kill us if we didn't get Nnamdi.The Rams went up top on Nnamdi a few times yesterday too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banned Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 We should have signed Nnamdi, I told you guys no playmakers on defense would kill us if we didn't get Nnamdi.We wasted all that money on slip n slide Dunta buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl/0 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 You know we drafted Weatherspoon Specifically to provide Coverage, right?Who you mean Brookin....I mean Spoon?Yea I know that and we are going to be in trouble because he still looks lost out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 pick Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Weatherspoon should've had a pick last night..he looked alot better in coverage yesterdayThe Rams went up top on Nnamdi a few times yesterday tooOnly one pass seemed to be effective, the p.i. call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 What's the difference? Why do they do it so well, with just as horrible Secondary as ours?They run more of a Tampa 2 so schematically it's different.When have you seen them go into a 3-3-5 or drop Peppers into coverage?They are a MUCH better coached defense than we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Fantom Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 If you noticed we only gave up 10 completions on first and second down combined. the other 12 came on third down when Gorder employed a prevent defense that left the middle of the field wide open, let me put it to you this way. it's not our secondary it's our playcallerReally! Thats ridiculous! SMH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Spoon was fine this game except a missed tackle. He was one of the few brighter spots. But Lofton doesn't belong out there period. Look at Ray Lewis. He is 3****ing5 and is more capable in coverage. You know why? Because he knows the only routes they can run on certain defenses that can beat him and he covers them. Same for Urlacher. He didn't know who was behind him but he knew being a rollout that somebody had to be behind him. Run a rollout on Lofton and he is liable to run the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1 pick Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 They run more of a Tampa 2 so schematically it's different.When have you seen them go into a 3-3-5 or drop Peppers into coverage?They are a MUCH better coached defense than we are.It's hard to say who is better coached when the Falcons gameplan well on defense given their personnel. No matter what we plan, he can never be as good on defense as Chicago because they have HOF's on defense and a couple are in their prime. We just don't have that talent on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Having a competent DC helps a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don™ Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Spoon looked a lot better than he did last year in every aspect of his game. Yes, he still has to wrap up(easily coachable), and look more aware out there in zone coverage. He was rated as one of the best cover LBs in the Draft...Spoon is going to be fine. I'm not too worried... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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