I've never thought it, I've never said it

[root down]

Matt Ryan will never lead this team to a Super Bowl.

I've never been a "hater". I've always thought Ryan was on a good developmental track. But my eyes saw what they saw.

At this point, in the same system, with the same coordinator Ryan should not look this bad. Did he look anywhere close to Aaron Rodgers. In control, sharp. Nope. How about Brees, Manning, Brady, Vick, Rivers? No.

He had guys open and checked down. For instance in the red zone. TG was running up the right hash, broke right on a out at the goal line. Ryan didn't even see him. After about 1sec he already decided to dump it to turner who had a lber draped all over him. This is just one example I noticed with the same theme. I now the O-line was garbage. I'm talking about when he did have time. Low throws, bad throws, no throws.

He looks like the exact same QB that he was in yr 2. I'm really concerned this is it. This is full potential. OMG. Well maybe we can make a big move in the draft and get Luck.....just d a m n. Maybe Cin. will trade us Palmer....

I'm not saying Mularkey is great either.

[Padawan Knight]

I will agree that Matt Ryan looked less than spectacular today. However, I disagree that he will never lead us to a Super Bowl.

A lot of our issues today looked to be scheme issues, IMHO. All the talk in the off-season about getting more explosive looked to be just talk. I didn't see any formations that set our offense up to be explosive except by chance. All of the formations looked just like the ones we ran last year.

Losing Mughelli should have only had a minor impact on the plays we ran. Losing McClure, on the other hand, seemed to have a bigger impact. It was obvious that our offensive line was not going to stop their line. I'm also starting to be suspect of Baker at LT. I'd be curious to see how well Clabo could do on that side of the line.

Mularkey is starting to annoy me. I'm losing faith, and I don't like that. I'm not writing this team off, but I'm certainly concerned with what I saw today. They HAVE to improve if they want to be competitive.

[root down]

I will agree that Matt Ryan looked less than spectacular today. However, I disagree that he will never lead us to a Super Bowl.

A lot of our issues today looked to be scheme issues, IMHO. All the talk in the off-season about getting more explosive looked to be just talk. I didn't see any formations that set our offense up to be explosive except by chance. All of the formations looked just like the ones we ran last year.

Losing Mughelli should have only had a minor impact on the plays we ran. Losing McClure, on the other hand, seemed to have a bigger impact. It was obvious that our offensive line was not going to stop their line. I'm also starting to be suspect of Baker at LT. I'd be curious to see how well Clabo could do on that side of the line.

Mularkey is starting to annoy me. I'm losing faith, and I don't like that. I'm not writing this team off, but I'm certainly concerned with what I saw today. They HAVE to improve if they want to be competitive.

Well thought out response, it is much better than most in TATF.

Lost faith yes. I think what would andy reid design for these weapons against a cover 2. I've been looking forward to an upgrade at LT for several years.

I'm not sure McClure would have made any difference. I usually see McClure, when he gets beat, is physically one-on-one. Today I didn't see many missed assignments. Just a very good D-line that was unafraid of pinning their ears back and going. We did little to change their mind. That's OC, issue.

I have seen a good improvement this year by Clabo, but I think he has maxed out. Just not agile enough for Lt.

I wonder if the Ravens LT they released...Gaithers? is still available. Never-mind KC picked him up

[Falconsfan567]

I think it was the playcalling and the OL. Matt Ryan showed during the preseason and once in the game that he doesn't need a guy to be completely uncovered to throw it down the field. If a receiver has his man beat by just a little bit he will find him as he did on that deep throw to Julio. But the playcalling was again horrible. Run, run, run the first few possessions and then short dump off throws. I really wish Mularkey would get it through his skull that not every deep pass has to be set up by a play-action pass. It's ridiculous that Mularkey thinks that's the only time he can go deep. Deep passes don't always have to be completed to work. Just the thought of a deep pass changes how the defense plays. But I was also just as mad about the conservative defense yet again. Not a single Falcons coach has a aggressive bone in their body. The Falcons are trying to play 1970s style football in a league that is impossible to win in with that style of football.

[Padawan Knight]

Well thought out response, it is much better than most in TATF.

Lost faith yes. I think what would andy reid design for these weapons against a cover 2. I've been looking forward to an upgrade at LT for several years.

I'm not sure McClure would have made any difference. I usually see McClure, when he gets beat, is physically one-on-one. Today I didn't see many missed assignments. Just a very good D-line that was unafraid of pinning their ears back and going. We did little to change their mind. That's OC, issue.

I have seen a good improvement this year by Clabo, but I think he has maxed out. Just not agile enough for Lt.

I wonder if the Ravens LT they released...Gaithers? is still available. Never-mind KC picked him up

I think the biggest thing we missed from McClure were his intangibles. His ability to read the defense and make the O-Line assignments. That was the biggest thing we lost with him, but don't think Hawley didn't make mistakes.

I forget the exact play, so I'll have to hope for a replay on the NFLN for the specifics (deleted the DVR recording of the game in disgust). Anyway, Hawley snapped the ball, and looked to his right. He saw that Reynolds was already engaged with his man. Hawley then looked to his left. Blaylock was blocking a player and Hawley starting looking for anyone else coming in from his left. He never looked back to his right to see what was going on. There was NO ONE else coming in his direction. There wasn't even a Bears player CLOSE to coming in his direction. Reynolds couldn't hold his block and I believe Ryan got sacked on the play. Hawley was less than a step away from assisting Reynolds with the block. That play pissed me off that he never looked back to see if anyone needed help. He just stood there, blocking air...

[Theyhateme : )]

He doesn't have it right now.

[stripedss]

I think it was the playcalling and the OL. Matt Ryan showed during the preseason and once in the game that he doesn't need a guy to be completely uncovered to throw it down the field. If a receiver has his man beat by just a little bit he will find him as he did on that deep throw to Julio. But the playcalling was again horrible. Run, run, run the first few possessions and then short dump off throws. I really wish Mularkey would get it through his skull that not every deep pass has to be set up by a play-action pass. It's ridiculous that Mularkey thinks that's the only time he can go deep. Deep passes don't always have to be completed to work. Just the thought of a deep pass changes how the defense plays. But I was also just as mad about the conservative defense yet again. Not a single Falcons coach has a aggressive bone in their body. The Falcons are trying to play 1970s style football in a league that is impossible to win in with that style of football.

Matt Ryan is afraid to attempt a deep pass. There are options in most of the pass plays called. Dude is a check downer.....You have two strong receivers that can jump and catch, but you refuse to give them a chance to use that talent. Don't cite playcalling as an excuse. It's the QB, he has the ball, he decides where to throw it.

Explosive plays....Get a QB that can execute those plays and games like this one won't look as bad.

Captain Checkdown....Matty Ice my @$$.

[sun3nee]

A lotta ppl are jumping ship now. What is really sad, for a minute, you guys were starting to influence me, but then I decided it was just a bad game. I know we would like to be like Green Bay and etc, and I believe we have the offense to do so. This Sunday is going to be a great game, and I call a win for Atlanta. Watch Matty redeem himself. As I once heard, you can do good for 23hrs and 50 mins in a day, but mess up the last 10 mins and that's all ppl will remember. How many games last year did Matty have a comeback win for us. We were UNSTOPPABLE on third down (I think our 3rd down completion rate was the highest in the NFL last year). It was insane how great we were on third downs last year. Just one game guys, I know, but give the team a chance

[REV.2000]

Matt Ryan will never lead this team to a Super Bowl.

I've never been a "hater". I've always thought Ryan was on a good developmental track. But my eyes saw what they saw.

At this point, in the same system, with the same coordinator Ryan should not look this bad. Did he look anywhere close to Aaron Rodgers. In control, sharp. Nope. How about Brees, Manning, Brady, Vick, Rivers? No.

He had guys open and checked down. For instance in the red zone. TG was running up the right hash, broke right on a out at the goal line. Ryan didn't even see him. After about 1sec he already decided to dump it to turner who had a lber draped all over him. This is just one example I noticed with the same theme. I now the O-line was garbage. I'm talking about when he did have time. Low throws, bad throws, no throws.

He looks like the exact same QB that he was in yr 2. I'm really concerned this is it. This is full potential. OMG. Well maybe we can make a big move in the draft and get Luck.....just d a m n. Maybe Cin. will trade us Palmer....

I'm not saying Mularkey is great either.

OK .. NOW YOU'VE THOUGHT IT ....

NOW YOU'VE SAID IT ......

NOW WHAT? :unsure:

I THINK YOU'VE PUSHED "THE PANIC" BUTTON.

[David TTU]

Matt Ryan is afraid to attempt a deep pass. There are options in most of the pass plays called. Dude is a check downer.....You have two strong receivers that can jump and catch, but you refuse to give them a chance to use that talent. Don't cite playcalling as an excuse. It's the QB, he has the ball, he decides where to throw it.

Explosive plays....Get a QB that can execute those plays and games like this one won't look as bad.

Captain Checkdown....Matty Ice my @$$.

The Bears were in a deep Cover 2 the entire game; our receivers were never able to get behind the coverage because they were playing 15-20 yards off the line of scrimmage. In that scenario, we should be able to attack the middle of the field all day long. Unfortunately, when they're playing that deep in coverage and Ryan isn't given any time to throw the ball, there's just about nothing you can do...

[root down]

No Panic, just observing. Something just doesn't jive.

[REV.2000]

He doesn't have it right now.

GAME ONE CAN HAVE THAT EFFECT ON SOME.

[pontiacj]

Matt Ryan's line from the game @Chicago:

The good: 31/27, 319 YDS, 66 COMP%

The mediocre: 6.8 YPA

The bad: 0 TD, 1 INT, 1 FUM, 5 SACK.

He's not going to consistently give you the bad, and the mediocre is more a function of the Bears' defense (Note: opposing quarterbacks averaged 6.17 YPA against the Bears in 2010). I think the fact that Matt Ryan can go out and post a 300 yard game against consistent pressure is a step in the right direction.

[Theyhateme : )]

GAME ONE CAN HAVE THAT EFFECT ON SOME.

I'm certain that he'll get it going. The OL gotta get it together as well. I'd just like to see them run it and pass off of it.

[REV.2000]

I'm certain that he'll get it going. The OL gotta get it together as well. I'd just like to see them run it and pass off of it.

OK ..... WHAT ARE THEY SAYING NOW?

[root down]

that O-line is horrible so it certainly makes Ryan's job very very hard. He made some mistakes, he made some plays. It took the D forcing alot of turnovers to keep us in the game. 2 INT. can't have it. The one INT to TG, Namndi was squating and did not turn with HD, the play was to HD=open, but apparently Namndi had a real strong feeling Ryan would go for the intermediate route instead of pushing down field.......

I will give credit to his toughness, and the Team won...and that's what really matters. When he was given a little bit of time to go through the reads he found the open guy more times than not.

did I mention the sack-maker Baker?

actually in the 4th qter when Ryan was calling the plays in the Sugar.....they moved nicely.....

Matt Ryan can win the Super Bowl!! (if MM does not call too many plays)

[Falconsfan567]

that O-line is horrible so it certainly makes Ryan's job very very hard. He made some mistakes, he made some plays. It took the D forcing alot of turnovers to keep us in the game. 2 INT. can't have it. The one INT to TG, Namndi was squating and did not turn with HD, the play was to HD=open, but apparently Namndi had a real strong feeling Ryan would go for the intermediate route instead of pushing down field.......

I will give credit to his toughness, and the Team won...and that's what really matters. When he was given a little bit of time to go through the reads he found the open guy more times than not.

did I mention the sack-maker Baker?

actually in the 4th qter when Ryan was calling the plays in the Sugar.....they moved nicely.....

Matt Ryan can win the Super Bowl!! (if MM does not call too many plays)

Ryan took way more shots down the field against the Eagles which was good to see. Too bad the refs allowed the Eagles to get away with multiple holds on Roddy and Julio, I mean one hold was so bad Julio nearly had is jersey ripped off and nothing was called. Just like nothing was called when Ryan nearly got his head taken off by a helmet-to-helmet hit from Cullen Jenkins and there hasn't been 1 peep about it. Yet Abraham barely touches Kalfa and holds him up so he doesn't fall to the ground and get he gets flagged. The refs were bush league in this game and the entire planet wanted Vick and the Iggles to win. But Vick had is typical game. He made a couple nice plays, had some turnovers and ultimately ended up hurt and not finishing the game. Typical Michael Vick.

Matt Ryan on the other hand took the beating and never missed a play and lead his team back to win the game. Sure he made some bad throws and decisions but when we needed the plays the most he stepped up and made them and we won the game.

[alnaba78]

I will agree that Matt Ryan looked less than spectacular today. However, I disagree that he will never lead us to a Super Bowl.

A lot of our issues today looked to be scheme issues, IMHO. All the talk in the off-season about getting more explosive looked to be just talk. I didn't see any formations that set our offense up to be explosive except by chance. All of the formations looked just like the ones we ran last year.

Losing Mughelli should have only had a minor impact on the plays we ran. Losing McClure, on the other hand, seemed to have a bigger impact. It was obvious that our offensive line was not going to stop their line. I'm also starting to be suspect of Baker at LT. I'd be curious to see how well Clabo could do on that side of the line.

Mularkey is starting to annoy me. I'm losing faith, and I don't like that. I'm not writing this team off, but I'm certainly concerned with what I saw today. They HAVE to improve if they want to be competitive.

It will not have that big of an impact on the team...in fact the play book will open more with both #44 and Mike Turner in the backfield together....there will be more options

[root down]

Still convinced. Again I saw on replay, Ryan had time, with WR open down field, but checked down to soon. Brees, avoids rush, eyes downfield, and finds who is open. Ryan Misses throws he shouldn't, i.e. the POGO route to TG he Always throws to high.....for TG! 1st qter he has what he wants, ball should come out but it doesn't. Instead of Roddy breaking and the ball is there and he can make a move. He stops.....waits.....jumps, catches it and gets DRILLED. Same qter. Has Julio on a square in route. Ball should be out before he breaks....it isn't, it gives the DB time to recover, and break up the pass. Game after Game, and this was a "GOOD" game by Ryan....

Ryan makes some plays, but misses way too many. Almost got roddy killed by throwing high and late. Had TG 1-1 in the endzone, started off as a fade route, but should have been a dart to the chest, and TD. Ryan just couldn't make the mental adjustment to not throw the fade, even though the coverage dictated a different type of throw, to the Same guy. Brees to Graham 1-1, perfect...TD

[blkbigdog35]

Still convinced. Again I saw on replay, Ryan had time, with WR open down field, but checked down to soon. Brees, avoids rush, eyes downfield, and finds who is open. Ryan Misses throws he shouldn't, i.e. the POGO route to TG he Always throws to high.....for TG! 1st qter he has what he wants, ball should come out but it doesn't. Instead of Roddy breaking and the ball is there and he can make a move. He stops.....waits.....jumps, catches it and gets DRILLED. Same qter. Has Julio on a square in route. Ball should be out before he breaks....it isn't, it gives the DB time to recover, and break up the pass. Game after Game, and this was a "GOOD" game by Ryan....

Ryan makes some plays, but misses way too many. Almost got roddy killed by throwing high and late. Had TG 1-1 in the endzone, started off as a fade route, but should have been a dart to the chest, and TD. Ryan just couldn't make the mental adjustment to not throw the fade, even though the coverage dictated a different type of throw, to the Same guy. Brees to Graham 1-1, perfect...TD

Totally agree and I think the problem now is that we want to make him out to be an elite QB but he still has way too much to learn. Way have to stay with Turner, Snelling and Quiz to open up the pass for him. Our record with Turner going over 100 yards and us winning is outstanding so why in the **** do we decide to let Ryan air it out??

[Falconsfan567]

Still convinced. Again I saw on replay, Ryan had time, with WR open down field, but checked down to soon. Brees, avoids rush, eyes downfield, and finds who is open. Ryan Misses throws he shouldn't, i.e. the POGO route to TG he Always throws to high.....for TG! 1st qter he has what he wants, ball should come out but it doesn't. Instead of Roddy breaking and the ball is there and he can make a move. He stops.....waits.....jumps, catches it and gets DRILLED. Same qter. Has Julio on a square in route. Ball should be out before he breaks....it isn't, it gives the DB time to recover, and break up the pass. Game after Game, and this was a "GOOD" game by Ryan....

Ryan makes some plays, but misses way too many. Almost got roddy killed by throwing high and late. Had TG 1-1 in the endzone, started off as a fade route, but should have been a dart to the chest, and TD. Ryan just couldn't make the mental adjustment to not throw the fade, even though the coverage dictated a different type of throw, to the Same guy. Brees to Graham 1-1, perfect...TD

You guys amaze me. Matt Ryan was 34 of 52 for 373 yards and 0 interceptions and you guys are blaming him for the loss. He was our best player in the game on either side of the ball. How many freaking teams can win games when their defense gives up 38 points or however many points it was? How in the heck was it Matt Ryan's fault that Julio Jones fumbled the ball and the Saints got a touchdown out of it.

Matt Ryan is more than good enough to lead this team to a Super Bowl win if the Thomas Dimitroff and Mike Smith ever get off their *** and put a decent defense on the field that doesn't let guys like Drew Brees stand back there FOREVER and let's receivers run free all over the field.

Dunta Robinson should have been benched. How many freaking plays were there when he just stood there and let the receiver do whatever the **** he pleases? How many plays were there where the Saints ran the ball right up the middle and we never even laid a finger on the guy till he was 10 plus yards down the field.

Get a defense and we will have our Super Bowl win. Joe Flacco is the most overrated piece of **** QB I've ever seen in my life but he gets all the credit for having playoff wins but Matt Ryan has actually played better than Flacco in the playoffs and hasn't come close to winning a playoff game yet. Flacco was 4 of 10 passing for 34 yards and 1 interception and the Ravens beat the socks off the Patriots in 2009. If Matt Ryan were to EVER have a game like that it would be miles worst than 45-16. Also last time I checked Matt Ryan didn't get called for holding penalties and offense pass intererence.

[root down]

this isn't a knee jerk reaction to one game. I'm certainly not totally blaming Ryan for the lose. There is ALOT of blame to go around. This topic is on Ryan. We can start a thread discussing Van Gorder, MM, the O-line, etc. The difference in Brees and Ryan, Brees avoids the rush AND makes plays Downfield. Diff. in pretty good, and elite. Period

I will bite on the putting a "decent" D on the field. Super Bowl champions either have Great QB play, supported by pretty good D. Or a GREAT D, supported by a pretty good QB that doesn't turn the ball over. We don't have either.

Agree on Dunta, he should be moved to FS, traded, or cut.

[Duff_Man]

Ryan is not the problem. At all.

[Nativebird]

Mularkey will never lead an offensive strategy capable of winning a superbowl. Your quarterback is PLENTY capable of winning a superbowl. He's aboout to break the franchise record for passing in a season. Better than Bart. Better than Chandler. He's top 10 in a 32 team league that is QB centered, and getting better each year. Your quarterback is not your team's problem. In fact, he's one of your FEW answers on this team. look a little deeper at your OC compared to the Mcarthy's and Sean Peyton's of the world...it's not even close.

[blkbigdog35]

Well let's put it this way Ryan will never be an elite QB under MM system, period!!