South Carolina vs Georgia Game Week Thread

[Billy Ocean]

2 more keys to the SC game:

Did our numbnuts OC even run any multi TE sets last week? Alls I remember is that as soon as Orson got hot, Bobo subbed in White.

Also our DE's are gonna have to do better in getting pressure on the QB.

[scottp12]

2 more keys to the SC game:

Did our numbnuts OC even run any multi TE sets last week? Alls I remember is that as soon as Orson got hot, Bobo subbed in White.

Also our DE's are gonna have to do better in getting pressure on the QB.

If boise was getting sacks with a 3 man rush then we should have been too. No excuse for that

[Billy Ocean]

If boise was getting sacks with a 3 man rush then we should have been too. No excuse for that

We need to play in 2 TE sets on passing downs where the QB takes a straight 5 step + drop. We need a TE who can stay and help on passblocking because Glenn and (especially) Bean got exposed by the speed rush.

[CalDawg]

I don't know much about South Carolina, but I do know a little more about Georgia after last weekend. We though our depth on defense was bad; now we know it's very bad. We thought our offensive line was thin and probably too big; now that's all confirmed. We thought Samuel wasn't a great tailback and Crowell was suspect in pass protection; all true. And we knew our coaches have not been putting together great gameplans for a while now to take our strengths and weaknesses into account; same old story. For people hoping that BSU was just a great team, I don't see it. They do not have great athletes, but they play sound, well coached football and that's all it took to beat us.

Here's my suggestions, just a guess, because like I said I haven't studied Carolina, so rip away if you wish. We need to keep our defense off the field as long as possible, otherwise they'll absolutely dead by midway through the third. If we try to line up and ram it down South Carolina's throat, this game will be over in short order because their DL is better than BSU's and their linebackers too. So, we need to spread the field, run a ball control passing game, mostly short, roll Aaron out for the sideline routes, let him run if he has the chance. Pass 40 times, run 20. Our best offensive weapon is our quarterback so let him make plays. If he can't, we're gonna lose either way.

On defense, prepare for Steven Garcia, not Shaw, IMO. Last year we saw a steady dose of Lattimore, so if I know Spurrier, this year we'll see a passing attack similar to what we saw two years ago, with the added advantage of Lattimore as a weapon when our defense loosens up. I'd play man coverage, blitz, and make Garcia/Jeffery beat me deep. Not saying they can't do it, but that's what I'd force. I'd put Sanders Commings on Jeffery.

Defensively, I don't think we can hold up for an entire game in afternoon heat; not enough depth. Offensively, I don't think Bobo is smart enough to come up with a winning game plan. I felt bad before the BSU game and I still do. But it's early in the season and things can turn around, so I'll be cheering the Dawgs on (in front of my tv) as I have for years.

One very positive sign; I haven't seen any bravado from the players or the fans this week. I almost never see an advantage from a cocky attitude, so humility is a welcome change.

Edited September 6, 2011 by CalDawg

[Falconsfan567]

South Carolina 38

Georgia 24

I highly doubt the Gamecocks fumble 4 times and lose all of them again.

[Dawgfanbrock]

I don't know much about South Carolina, but I do know a little more about Georgia after last weekend. We though our depth on defense was bad; now we know it's very bad. We thought our offensive line was thin and probably too big; now that's all confirmed. We thought Samuel wasn't a great tailback and Crowell was suspect in pass protection; all true. And we knew our coaches have not been putting together great gameplans for a while now to take our strengths and weaknesses into account; same old story. For people hoping that BSU was just a great team, I don't see it. They do not have great athletes, but they play sound, well coached football and that's all it took to beat us.

Here's my suggestions, just a guess, because like I said I haven't studied Carolina, so rip away if you wish. We need to keep our defense off the field as long as possible, otherwise they'll absolutely dead by midway through the third. If we try to line up and ram it down South Carolina's throat, this game will be over in short order because their DL is better than BSU's and their linebackers too. So, we need to spread the field, run a ball control passing game, mostly short, roll Aaron out for the sideline routes, let him run if he has the chance. Pass 40 times, run 20. Our best offensive weapon is our quarterback so let him make plays. If he can't, we're gonna lose either way.

I agree that we will have to pass the ball to win - essentially murry and the oline will have to win the game. Also agree that if we dont pressure garcia we will lose - ie, not just pressure, sack several times. I think we need to win the turnover battle by 2 to win. Also agree that i am in the hope that boise was great, but i really just think we played awful, awful scheme all around. Latt will get at least 25 carries though imo. Special teams big plays would help, gotta do better with field position, and maybe bobo gets a real bad case of the flu and stays in bed. (the last one imo is a guaranteed win- i seriously think he is an automatic -10 on the scoreboard)

On defense, prepare for Steven Garcia, not Shaw, IMO. Last year we saw a steady dose of Lattimore, so if I know Spurrier, this year we'll see a passing attack similar to what we saw two years ago, with the added advantage of Lattimore as a weapon when our defense loosens up. I'd play man coverage, blitz, and make Garcia/Jeffery beat me deep. Not saying they can't do it, but that's what I'd force. I'd put Sanders Commings on Jeffery.

Defensively, I don't think we can hold up for an entire game in afternoon heat; not enough depth. Offensively, I don't think Bobo is smart enough to come up with a winning game plan. I felt bad before the BSU game and I still do. But it's early in the season and things can turn around, so I'll be cheering the Dawgs on (in front of my tv) as I have for years.

One very positive sign; I haven't seen any bravado from the players or the fans this week. I almost never see an advantage from a cocky attitude, so humility is a welcome change.

[CalDawg]

Lattimore may well get 25 carries, but Spurrier usually has a completely different game plan for us than he shows against their pre-UGA opponents (unlike bobo, Spurrier has more than one game plan).

In 2010, they ran a balanced offense in the opener, 30 passes, 35 rushes, with Lattimore carrying only 14 times. Then in the second game against UGA, they rushed 52 times (Lattimore 37 times) and only attempted 17 passes.

In 2009, they had 42 rushes, 22 passes in the opener against NC State. Then they had 30 rushes, 53 passes against UGA. If you saw them, they were two completely different looking games by USC's offense.

In 2008, they had 42 - 27 in favor of rushes, 41 - 13 in favor of rushes, then 16 rushes vs 40 passes in the 3rd game against UGA.

Last week against East Carolina, it was 40 rushes, 25 passes, and if they hadn't gotten behind, he may have left Shaw in the entire game against East Carolina, and then started Garcia against us. Getting down 17 - 0 kind of forced his hand. Connor Shaw did not look like he's ready to lead that team into SEC play and I'm not sure that was ever Spurrier's plan.

We'll see on Saturday, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more passing and less rushing than last weekend. I'm fairly confident we won't see the 37 carries by Lattimore like last year, since that's so fresh on our minds. Instead we may get a lot of play action fakes to Lattimore.

Looking at the wide swings in Spurrier's game plan against us, just as an interesting aside, I went back to compare our run pass mix against South Carolina the last three years. Over that time, we've had 55% rushing plays, 54% rushing plays, and 58% rushing plays. That's kind of our mix for every game, set in stone unless we get far behind or far ahead. Bobo did try a little subterfuge last year against Kentucky, by running 39 times and passing 12, but it was so extremely different from any other game that I'm sure Florida wasn't the least bit surprised when we threw 37 times against them the next weekend. If I was a defensive coordinator in a tight game against Georgia, I'd keep a pocket calculator and a play counter. Once Bobo gets a few points outside of his run-pass mix on either side, you'll have a better idea what's coming next.

Edited September 7, 2011 by CalDawg

[KGDawg710]

My link

Rambo says he is hungry after watching from the sidelines. Hopefully that means he gives 110% on Saturday.

[dhuckdawg20]

Reading that link, just makes me sick that we couldn't go back to regular offense after the spread/no-huddle stuff was obviously failing...

[SacFalcFan]

My link

Rambo says he is hungry after watching from the sidelines. Hopefully that means he gives 110% on Saturday.

it is nice that rambo is willing to say my bad.. now get on the field and show us something.

[Xnex]

it is nice that rambo is willing to say my bad.. now get on the field and show us something.

I know virtually nothing about UGA football, but I seem to recall Rambo having a major "coming out party" two years ago, and it seems like it was against Ga. Tech when he looked like the next coming of Ronnie Lott. But last year I recall Grantham chewing the kid out multiple times for not doing his job or not really trying as hard as he might. What's the story with this guy, Sac. Is he just missing it between the ears a little bit.

As far as the game this weekend, I obviously believe (HOPE????) that Carolina will win it. I think we should be able to make it so that UGA cannot win it with a great closing drive to finish the game. But I know how this rivalry plays out for my teamand we NEVER get to breathe against UGA.

Stephon Gilmore may have regressed a little, it's hard to tell. On two occasions he had perfect coverage but he failed to locate the ball and allowed a wr to jump over him and make huge catches. Eventually Ellis switched CC Whitlock to that side of the field and both guys looke like they were playing well in the new spots.

ECU hung around for two reasons. We fumbled 4 times in the 1st half, and lost each of them. And they mainly threw very quick passes which did not require their O-line to hold their blocks for any amount of time. It reminded me of what Southern Miss. did to us last year in the opener. Clowney does seem like he will be a force as he is very, very fast, quick, and aggressive. But teams could take advantage of that quickness by running into his lane when he tries to go around the OT in an effort to get to the qb. But if he's taking an inside track to the qb and they run at him, he can lower the hammer on them pretty good.

Garcia looks to have lost about 15 pounds and seems much faster than in the past. But he struggles mightily with the deep ball. He cannot seem to put any loft on them and he consistently overthrows receivers who are running free toward the goal line. Connor Shaw throws a better deep ball.

Our wildcat looks very dangerous with Lattimore, and Ellington back there together.

Alshon is still Alshon.

Ace Sanders has made real improvements

Our O-line looks more and more like an SEC o-line should look. Let's see if they can play like one should play.

Predicted final score

SC 33

UGA- 24

[SacFalcFan]

Here is my prediction:

Georgia Bulldogs 27 South Carolina 21

UGA's run defense did a terrific job against boise state and a very very tough runner in Doug Martin. We will do the same with Lattimore. Our defense did a very good job last week of being very physical and tackling overall very well. UGA will cause 3 turnovers defensively and will do a much better job on lattimore than last year. The big key is to force Garcia to throw and throw often. Last year spurrier was able to hide garcia by having lattimore just dominate the game and not put Garcia in a position where he had to make throws to win the game. Garcia is capable of being one of SC's own worst enemies if you put him in 3rd and long situations throughout the game. We do that and we can keep them to 21 points.

Offensively we will need to go more to the 2 back set and run at clowney. You don't want him to be able to chase down the play, but instead you go straight at him and at this point in clowney's career that will be very effective. South Carolina's secondary is horrible and we should be able to get some big passing plays against them. Early on I am hoping bobo uses some misdirection plays and i bet we see another big play off of a reverse due to carolina's aggressive defense as we did 2 years ago with branden smith.

As someone else said in this thread nothing would surprise me in this game.

[romad_20]

Reading that link, just makes me sick that we couldn't go back to regular offense after the spread/no-huddle stuff was obviously failing...

Here's something that sure to pick you up. Bobo's brilliant reasoning on the new offense

Sticking with no-huddle

Georgia offensive coordinator Mike Bobo said the Bulldogs plan to stick with the no-huddle offense they unveiled in the Georgia Dome. He said the decision to switch in the offseason was an attempt to run more offensive plays. But the Bulldogs ran just 60 plays last Saturday to Boise State’s 71.

“We wanted to get more plays, which we didn’t do on Satuday,” Bobo said. “But we’re committed to doing it. More plays equals more opportunities, more chances to score. Last year we just didn’t think we had as many opportunities as some other teams.”

The no-huddle was not to blame for the offensive struggles, the Bulldogs contend.

“No matter how you operate offensively, the bottom like is you’ve got to execute,” Richt said. “And you execute well whether you no-huddle or you don’t no huddle. We didn’t have much trouble as far as the operation of it. The problem was once the ball was snapped. That’s when we had problems.”

So even though the object is to sustain drives he won't run the I formation and will stick with what produced endless 3 and outs Sat. Running and ball control, f that, I'm talking about bombs and delayed draws from the shotgun. That's what makes our offense tick It's getting ridiculous at this point.

BTW it really makes me angry that the coach's once again are passing the buck and blaming everything on execution. Is execution a big part? Of course its the biggest but it doesn't help when you're constantly putting the players behind the 8-ball.

[Cable Guy]

I see no problem running the no huddle here and there, but stick with what works for the most part. Run from the I and mix in the no huddle.

[Tree1]

The thing is you can run a no huddle hurry up style and use any formation. You can run the I just as easy as the three wide out sets from the no huddle.

I also am tired of hearing spread offense, its just a base offense out the shot, we are not running a spread offense. We never mixed any read options from murray. We just ran sweeps and counters and draws just like we run in the I. Its just out the Gun w/ out a lead blockers.

I remember hearing from one of the players that Bobo called the same play 27 times in the Oklahoma St. game out in stillwater alot of times it was just out of different formations but still ran the same play w/ the same scheme.

[Carter]

SMH at people negging me for saying we have a chance to beat Carolina.... dang.

[SacFalcFan]

SMH at people negging me for saying we have a chance to beat Carolina.... dang.

:lol: you ever going to get on im in the future.. LOL

i may start negging you all the time til you do.. lolol jk

[Statick]

Sticking with no-huddle

Georgia offensive coordinator Mike Bobo said the Bulldogs plan to stick with the no-huddle offense they unveiled in the Georgia Dome. He said the decision to switch in the offseason was an attempt to run more offensive plays. But the Bulldogs ran just 60 plays last Saturday to Boise State’s 71.

“We wanted to get more plays, which we didn’t do on Satuday,” Bobo said. “But we’re committed to doing it. More plays equals more opportunities, more chances to score. Last year we just didn’t think we had as many opportunities as some other teams.”

The no-huddle was not to blame for the offensive struggles, the Bulldogs contend.

“No matter how you operate offensively, the bottom like is you’ve got to execute,” Richt said. “And you execute well whether you no-huddle or you don’t no huddle. We didn’t have much trouble as far as the operation of it. The problem was once the ball was snapped. That’s when we had problems.”

I've said it before, I said it last week and I'm saying it again...Mike Bobo is a f'n IDIOT.

And Richt is a bigger f'n idiot for not taking the playcalling from him. We are not a no-huddle, spread team, you f'n MORON!

[pintaildrake1]

We need to play in 2 TE sets on passing downs where the QB takes a straight 5 step + drop. We need a TE who can stay and help on passblocking because Glenn and (especially) Bean got exposed by the speed rush.

Lynch is a superb blocker. I would have OC and Aron White on the line (double TE) and have Lynch motion in the backfield as an extra blocker, or receiver in the flats/over the middle. Having two TE's forces the safeties to stay in the middle of the field and allows 1-1 coverage for our WR's on the outside against their corners.

[itsjustafleshwound]

Sticking with no-huddle

Georgia offensive coordinator Mike Bobo said the Bulldogs plan to stick with the no-huddle offense they unveiled in the Georgia Dome. He said the decision to switch in the offseason was an attempt to run more offensive plays. But the Bulldogs ran just 60 plays last Saturday to Boise State’s 71.

“We wanted to get more plays, which we didn’t do on Satuday,” Bobo said. “But we’re committed to doing it. More plays equals more opportunities, more chances to score. Last year we just didn’t think we had as many opportunities as some other teams.”

We have the ball less because we fail to get first downs. Did Bobo take any math courses at UGA?

[pintaildrake1]

Lattimore may well get 25 carries, but Spurrier usually has a completely different game plan for us than he shows against their pre-UGA opponents (unlike bobo, Spurrier has more than one game plan).

In 2010, they ran a balanced offense in the opener, 30 passes, 35 rushes, with Lattimore carrying only 14 times. Then in the second game against UGA, they rushed 52 times (Lattimore 37 times) and only attempted 17 passes.

In 2009, they had 42 rushes, 22 passes in the opener against NC State. Then they had 30 rushes, 53 passes against UGA. If you saw them, they were two completely different looking games by USC's offense.

In 2008, they had 42 - 27 in favor of rushes, 41 - 13 in favor of rushes, then 16 rushes vs 40 passes in the 3rd game against UGA.

Last week against East Carolina, it was 40 rushes, 25 passes, and if they hadn't gotten behind, he may have left Shaw in the entire game against East Carolina, and then started Garcia against us. Getting down 17 - 0 kind of forced his hand. Connor Shaw did not look like he's ready to lead that team into SEC play and I'm not sure that was ever Spurrier's plan.

We'll see on Saturday, but I wouldn't be surprised to see more passing and less rushing than last weekend. I'm fairly confident we won't see the 37 carries by Lattimore like last year, since that's so fresh on our minds. Instead we may get a lot of play action fakes to Lattimore.

Looking at the wide swings in Spurrier's game plan against us, just as an interesting aside, I went back to compare our run pass mix against South Carolina the last three years. Over that time, we've had 55% rushing plays, 54% rushing plays, and 58% rushing plays. That's kind of our mix for every game, set in stone unless we get far behind or far ahead. Bobo did try a little subterfuge last year against Kentucky, by running 39 times and passing 12, but it was so extremely different from any other game that I'm sure Florida wasn't the least bit surprised when we threw 37 times against them the next weekend. If I was a defensive coordinator in a tight game against Georgia, I'd keep a pocket calculator and a play counter. Once Bobo gets a few points outside of his run-pass mix on either side, you'll have a better idea what's coming next.

Good post. Interesting stats if nothing else. I'll be looking to see what SC does.

[Billy Ocean]

BTW it really makes me angry that the coach's once again are passing the buck and blaming everything on execution. Is execution a big part? Of course its the biggest but it doesn't help when you're constantly putting the players behind the 8-ball.

That’s just par for the course. We talk about how fans act inappropriately towards players. But under Richt, "execution" is always blamed first and foremost. I will say this for Bobo, in the past he has been about the only coach willing to personally accept blame for a crap gameplan or playcall after a loss. I wish a reporter would ask Richt, "Whose job is it to train the players to execute? Whose job is it to put players on the field who can execute if the player in front of them can't do their job?".

[stumpjumper]

That’s just par for the course. We talk about how fans act inappropriately towards players. But under Richt, "execution" is always blamed first and foremost. I will say this for Bobo, in the past he has been about the only coach willing to personally accept blame for a crap gameplan or playcall after a loss. I wish a reporter would ask Richt, "Whose job is it to train the players to execute? Whose job is it to put players on the field who can execute if the player in front of them can't do their job?".

+1 for what would be a great question for reporters.

[scottp12]

That’s just par for the course. We talk about how fans act inappropriately towards players. But under Richt, "execution" is always blamed first and foremost. I will say this for Bobo, in the past he has been about the only coach willing to personally accept blame for a crap gameplan or playcall after a loss. I wish a reporter would ask Richt, "Whose job is it to train the players to execute? Whose job is it to put players on the field who can execute if the player in front of them can't do their job?".

Hel1 yeah billy o! You got that right! I think cmr's definition of executing us ic breaking 15 straight tackles to score on every play. No wonder we never execute! Gah!

[richham]

Here is my prediction:

Georgia Bulldogs 27 South Carolina 21

UGA's run defense did a terrific job against boise state and a very very tough runner in Doug Martin. We will do the same with Lattimore. Our defense did a very good job last week of being very physical and tackling overall very well. UGA will cause 3 turnovers defensively and will do a much better job on lattimore than last year. The big key is to force Garcia to throw and throw often. Last year spurrier was able to hide garcia by having lattimore just dominate the game and not put Garcia in a position where he had to make throws to win the game. Garcia is capable of being one of SC's own worst enemies if you put him in 3rd and long situations throughout the game. We do that and we can keep them to 21 points.

Offensively we will need to go more to the 2 back set and run at clowney. You don't want him to be able to chase down the play, but instead you go straight at him and at this point in clowney's career that will be very effective. South Carolina's secondary is horrible and we should be able to get some big passing plays against them. Early on I am hoping bobo uses some misdirection plays and i bet we see another big play off of a reverse due to carolina's aggressive defense as we did 2 years ago with branden smith.

As someone else said in this thread nothing would surprise me in this game.

Great gameplan, but it sounds like Bobo is planning on sticking with the no huddle, shotgun formations. I'll say one thing for Bobo, he has some brass, because if that same offense shows up for South Carolina McG may have to hire body guards for him. Murray may leave the field on a stretcher.