vel Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I know nobody has probably stopped to think about this but maybe the FA market isn't as good as some on here think. It could be possible that TD wanted a FA corner but the fact that the Giants signed Brian Williams over everybody out there, especially Hayden, is telling. Or maybe Williams was a scheme fit and better choice short term than others, specifically Sheppard. I don't know, just some early morning speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I know nobody has probably stopped to think about this but maybe the FA market isn't as good as some on here think. It could be possible that TD wanted a FA corner but the fact that the Giants signed Brian Williams over everybody out there, especially Hayden, is telling. Or maybe Williams was a scheme fit and better choice short term than others, specifically Sheppard. I don't know, just some early morning speculation.Maybe it means Williams is a proven good player and he had a good workout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Maybe it means Williams is a proven good player and he had a good workout.Or maybe that we're content with Crisp Owens continuing with the Chevis Regal, Willie Fontenot, Middleton, Crisp Houston developmental program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 I knew you two would jump all on an opportunity about me starting a thread about a corner. And I didn't even mention Owens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I like williams but he gets injured for us at the worst times and leaves our secondary a mess every time he does get injured. We cannot depend on him to stay healthy here long term so there was no point in keeping him to just delay the growth of our young corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I knew you two would jump all on an opportunity about me starting a thread about a corner. And I didn't even mention Owens.I didn't either.I think the Giants signed him because he is a good player. Last year Brian Williams was coming off an ACL tear and still played well. I thought he was going to be cut in preseason last year. It's likely he will be better this year than he was last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I was hoping to bring him back healthy when he was ready, simply because he knows our system so well. I'm not too worried though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Man™ Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I didn't either.I think the Giants signed him because he is a good player. Last year Brian Williams was coming off an ACL tear and still played well. I thought he was going to be cut in preseason last year. It's likely he will be better this year than he was last year.And MORE than likely better than Owens will be this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 And MORE than likely better than Owens will be this year! And more than likely get injured again at a bad time and leave the Giants scrambling to fill his shoes like we did the last two years. Great player great heart but he gets injured at the worst possible times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 And more than likely get injured again at a bad time and leave the Giants scrambling to fill his shoes like we did the last two years. Great player great heart but he gets injured at the worst possible times.I can't say that Williams is more likely than Owens to get injured this year because Owens is already injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird backer Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 They signed him because they got him on the cheap because he always gets hurt - he does play well when not injured though! Just because there is a Cadillac, so to speak, (Hayden) out in the market place doesn't mean I'm in the market for one. I might just pick up the Mitsubishi - yeah I know I'm prolly (but maybe not) gonna have to take it to the shop but I'm gonna get a good deal on it too and it will get me from Point A to Point B... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I can't say that Williams is more likely than Owens to get injured this year because Owens is already injured.Given the age of the players and the fact Williams has been injured and missed a lot of games the last two years I think it is much more likely that Williams misses more games due to injury than Owens, regardless of skillset involved with the players.Williams is not a long term solution to anything and since he can't stay healthy was just delaying the progress of our young corners only to have them be thrown in the fire at the last minute when Williams got injured.I want owens gone to but Williams had his chance here and has shown that for whatever reason cannot be relied upon to stay healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Sheet, I would have welcomed him back with wine and roses ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Maybe it means Williams is a proven good player and he had a good workout.I think it means that the Giants are very thin at CB right now, and BW is the best available. BW is not all world, but he does know how to play the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Man™ Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 And more than likely get injured again at a bad time and leave the Giants scrambling to fill his shoes like we did the last two years. Great player great heart but he gets injured at the worst possible times.So are you blaming HIM for the injuries? Injuries happen every year in the NFL too...should we hold everyone accountable for that?That reply would lead someone to believe he PLANS his injuries for the worst possible times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I think the legend of Brian Williams is way over played, exaggerated, etc. He's a savvy vet and knows how to read some of the QB's but he easily get beat in single coverage.The Giants starting corner Terell Thomas is out for the year and their first round pick is out until October. The Giants are looking for a stop gap player nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 I think the legend of Brian Williams is way over played, exaggerated, etc. He's a savvy vet and knows how to read some of the QB's but he easily get beat in single coverage.It's just the "Anybody but Owens" syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerFalcon8710 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 It's ironic the giants signed an Injury prone cb.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 So are you blaming HIM for the injuries? Injuries happen every year in the NFL too...should we hold everyone accountable for that?That reply would lead someone to believe he PLANS his injuries for the worst possible times...It is not blame just circumstances. The same went for Norwood we gave him chances he and he kept getting injured so we let him go. Blame has nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I think the legend of Brian Williams is way over played, exaggerated, etc. He's a savvy vet and knows how to read some of the QB's but he easily get beat in single coverage.On the larger scale(NFL)...yes.On the Falcons scale...no. I've seen the "D" go from decent to crap(09/10-10/11) and losing B Will seemed to signal that every time...I don't think its a coincidence. He is an average DB(NFL) but for our needs(steadiness) his value increases...based on the alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Given the age of the players and the fact Williams has been injured and missed a lot of games the last two years I think it is much more likely that Williams misses more games due to injury than Owens, regardless of skillset involved with the players.Williams is not a long term solution to anything and since he can't stay healthy was just delaying the progress of our young corners realization that our young corners can't cut it only to have them be thrown in the fire at the last minute when Williams got injured.I want owens gone to but Williams had his chance here and has shown that for whatever reason cannot be relied upon to stay healthyFixed it. Yeah, I'd have liked us to sign the guy who has consistently been serviceable. Not upset though, because I think TD can find someone else capable of not sucking. That's really all we need. It seems inevitable. Don't most teams carry 5 CBs? Is it too much to ask for one decent vet as insurance in the event a starter goes down? We have Franks/Walls as prospects. If Owens was an UDFA he's be gone already. Walls can replace Owens on ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 It's just the "Anybody but Owens" syndrome.The flip-side to that is "I like my DBs Crispy syndrome" Now on the rise and reaching catastrophic proportions"Its ok to under-perform in ATL psychosis." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) On the larger scale(NFL)...yes.On the Falcons scale...no. I've seen the "D" go from decent to crap(09/10-10/11) and losing B Will seemed to signal that every time...I don't think its a coincidence. He is an average DB(NFL) but for our needs(steadiness) his value increases...based on the alternatives.I agree that he brought stability to the position but continuously stringing him on for 1 year deals hurts the position and long term stability. I think the media's perception of our window being open now scares people into thinking that means this is the year and we need to go all in. Our window is open as long as Ryan is the QB. That is the next 7-10 years. Williams only hinders our current players development. If they had brought him back, I highly doubt they take a shot on Walls because the odds of him sticking would be low (would get stolen off our PS after what he's shown). But with Williams gone, it opens up the #5 spot for a project corner. If they wanted to, they could have gone CB in the third instead of LB since we didn't really need Dent. But they didn't. Steadiness doesn't mean he is the best option. Redman is about as steady as they come, do you want him starting? They took a chance on Ryan. They are taking a chance on Owens and Franks. I don't get how people don't see this. Williams signing elsewhere further proves this. When we don't sign anybody's cast offs, there will be plenty of threads stating how we are doomed with Franks and Owens backing up Dunta and Grimes and how there better not be an injury, blah blah blah. Edited August 25, 2011 by vel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 The flip-side to that is "I like my DBs Crispy syndrome" Now on the rise and reaching catastrophic proportions"Its ok to under-perform in ATL psychosis."Lot of truth to that Toker ...I was amazed at how accepting alot of our fan base was over the GB debacle, and the excuses that were made fdor a performance that was inexcusable. " well, we went 13-3 " .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I agree that he brought stability to the position but continuously stringing him on for 1 year deals hurts the position and long term stability. I think the media's perception of our window being open now scares people into thinking that means this is the year and we need to go all in. Our window is open as long as Ryan is the QB. That is the next 7-10 years. Williams only hinders our current players development. If they had brought him back, I highly doubt they take a shot on Walls because the odds of him sticking would be low (would get stolen off our PS after what he's shown). But with Williams gone, it opens up the #5 spot for a project corner. If they wanted to, they could have gone CB in the third instead of LB since we didn't really need Dent. But they didn't. Steadiness doesn't mean he is the best option. Redman is about as steady as they come, do you want him starting? They took a chance on Ryan. They are taking a chance on Owens and Franks. I don't get how people don't see this. Williams signing elsewhere further proves this. When we don't sign anybody's cast offs, there will be plenty of threads stating how we are doomed with Franks and Owens backing up Dunta and Grimes and how there better not be an injury, blah blah blah.The window of opportunity is now...NFL(not for long). Glanville if anything understood that. We can't guarantee years of chances because Ryan is the QB. Two words for you...Dan Marino.Before the Miami pre-season game, I was in the camp that wanted our players, not a vet, to succeed. It was on a thread started by Peyton, I believe. I was hoping for Franks to take the next step and Owens to be the BWIll of the squad(steadiness). I was actually called harsh for saying that. What did Owens do...get burnt bad. It's better that Franks or Owens succeeds, but I refuse to let someone pizz down my back and tell me its raining. A solid vet is the best option right now...Franks needs to impress against Pitt.I don't know how you compare ATL's faith(taking a chance) in Ryan to Owens or Franks. That's not even addressable or comparable. Snap out of the psychosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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