swift Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) AbeGrimesLoftonTony G ...if he doesnt retire short term dealMcClureRedmanHarry DouglasDecoudBiermanWeemsSnelling Edited August 23, 2011 by swift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnellingSomethingGood Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 That looks scary at first, but some of those guys have fairly big cap numbers this year...Abe will likely come back for 2 yrs and not alot of money, same with gonzo if he doesnt retire. McClure will likely retire, redman and weems can be brought back for cheap, so we would basically need to lock up lofton, grimes, douglas long term, and depending on how they play this year, either bring back decoud and biermann for a decent amount of money, something like 4/5 yrs $15-18 million, similar to Nic's contract, or let them walk if we dont like what we see this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 That looks scary at first, but some of those guys have fairly big cap numbers this year...Abe will likely come back for 2 yrs and not alot of money, same with gonzo if he doesnt retire. McClure will likely retire, redman and weems can be brought back for cheap, so we would basically need to lock up lofton, grimes, douglas long term, and depending on how they play this year, either bring back decoud and biermann for a decent amount of money, something like 4/5 yrs $15-18 million, similar to Nic's contract, or let them walk if we dont like what we see this seasongood post and Snelling to ...correct he is on 1 year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnellingSomethingGood Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 good post and Snelling to ...correct he is on 1 yearThank you, and id expect snelling to leave after this year as quizz takes on a more prominent role behind turner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyHighFalcons Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 AbeGrimesLoftonTony G ...if he doesnt retire short term dealMcClureRedmanHarry DouglasDecoudBiermanWeemsSnellingAbe can be brought back at the same cap number.Tony G and Chris Redman as well.McClure will likely retire.Weems will be cheap because he's worthless outside of kick and punt returner (and kick returning is obsolete).Lofton and Grimes are both in for big pay days and we need to make sure we keep them.DeCoud and Biermann will depend on this year.Snelling and Douglas should return for relatively cheap numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Grimes/Lofton will be paid like top tier talent .. plus long contractsDecoud/Bierman/Douglas * HD depending on year he has.. mid size contract Abe/Tony G short term but wont come cheap which will also mean cap up front we can cut ties with McClure but then Hawley or Johnson need step up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnellingSomethingGood Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Lets also not forget the cap number could go up from $120 million next year so we may have more space to play with then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Lofton and Grimes are both in for big pay days and we need to make sure we keep them.Grimes 5 years 35 million +Lofton 6 years 30-37 million+some big numbers to throw around ..Plus ABE & Tony G coming back at there numbers nowwe might be in CAP TROUBLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I have to admit it is pretty fkng scary, but I am sure there is already a plan in place ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Didn't we get all of these threads before the offseason last year? Like something to the tune of "Oh NO...there is no way we can re-sign three offensive lineman, our main CB, Snelling and get the DE help we need!!!! NO FREAKING WAY POSSIBLE!!! WHAT WILL WE DO?!?!?!" Then TD does what the haters ignore and goes out and retains what we need, cuts ties with the rest, and gets the FA help we need. You trolls will never learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 AbeGrimesLoftonTony G ...if he doesnt retire short term dealMcClureRedmanHarry DouglasDecoudBiermanWeemsSnellingGonzo's cap hit is around $7m this season. If we win a Superbowl, he's going to retire. Regardless, I do not see him getting that much on his next contract, so his expiring will save us money regardless of whether or not he's re-signed.Abraham's cap hit is $8m this season. I can't see us giving him that much on his next contract with him so close to retirement. I think he will get a nice salary, but not $8m per year. So this will save us money.Grimes and Lofton will be significant hits if/when we re-sign them. I'm not sure what Lofton will demand since MLB's have not been paid generously since the new CBA. The top MLB's in the league do not get paid like other marquee players, and Lofton has not established himself as a top MLB yet. I think he is, but league wide he is not recognized as such.I believe I read that the cap is supposed to go up by at least 15% per year. If so, that would make next year's cap at least $138 million. We should have no trouble re-signing all of those players and then some if we so wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Didn't we get all of these threads before the offseason last year? Like something to the tune of "Oh NO...there is no way we can re-sign three offensive lineman, our main CB, Snelling and get the DE help we need!!!! NO FREAKING WAY POSSIBLE!!! WHAT WILL WE DO?!?!?!" Then TD does what the haters ignore and goes out and retains what we need, cuts ties with the rest, and gets the FA help we need. You trolls will never learn.I dont think so we all knew depending on CBA we will be able to have some room in free agency and sign guys back ..TD also got lucky in a way Grimes didnt hold out or would be forced to pay him...Now he wont be so lucky next year when most are UFAScomprehend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butudontseeme™ Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I think TG and maybe even Abe will retire if we win a superbowl. TG may retire regardless. Both will probably actually resign for less than they currently make. I believe hawley is being groomed right now to replace McClure maybe as early has mid year this year(depending on how well he plays obviously). I'm not that worries bc grimes and Lofton are almost locks to be resigned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Grimes 5 years 35 million +Lofton 6 years 30-37 million+some big numbers to throw around ..Plus ABE & Tony G coming back at there numbers nowwe might be in CAP TROUBLEhonestly i dnt see lofton making more then grimes... grimes plays a harder position and made the pro bowl from that position... but saying that lofton shouldnt be to far off tho... but out of all thoes guys grimes should make the most out of them all... def on defense... since we dnt have a 1 next year that helps us out. a lot of thoes contracts will give us space just by them being up anyway... there should be enough to sign them all. def is we resign mat ryan to and extension we should be fine.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy's Home Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 AbeGrimesLoftonTony G ...if he doesnt retire short term dealMcClureRedmanHarry DouglasDecoudBiermanWeemsSnellingGood work.Maybe they will be more receptive to this hearing it from you. I have been telling them for the longest that if we do not win it this year, we are doomed.How good of a GM can YKW be if he does not understand the value of draft picks/rookie contracts? Rookie contracts are great value and protect you from the impending doom such as ours.Keep it real folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butudontseeme™ Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I dont think so we all knew depending on CBA we will be able to have some room in free agency and sign guys back ..TD also got lucky in a way Grimes didnt hold out or would be forced to pay him...Now he wont be so lucky next year when most are UFAScomprehendYou are mistaken. Magic man is right. Everyone was freaking out just about 5 weeks ago about our cap status and what we could/couldn't do with it. BTW, why would Grimes hold out and risk not earning his 4th accrued season and wind up with this team again if he were unhappy. He got a substantial raise by signing his 1 yr 2.6 mil dollar RFA tender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 Gonzo's cap hit is around $7m this season. If we win a Superbowl, he's going to retire. Regardless, I do not see him getting that much on his next contract, so his expiring will save us money regardless of whether or not he's re-signed.Abraham's cap hit is $8m this season. I can't see us giving him that much on his next contract with him so close to retirement. I think he will get a nice salary, but not $8m per year. So this will save us money.Grimes and Lofton will be significant hits if/when we re-sign them. I'm not sure what Lofton will demand since MLB's have not been paid generously since the new CBA. The top MLB's in the league do not get paid like other marquee players, and Lofton has not established himself as a top MLB yet. I think he is, but league wide he is not recognized as such.I believe I read that the cap is supposed to go up by at least 15% per year. If so, that would make next year's cap at least $138 million. We should have no trouble re-signing all of those players and then some if we so wish.Gonzo cap hit I think is 5.7 mil..he will be coming back for that out of respectLofton is making 600k against capGrimes 2milionEach of them will see a huge INCREASESame with Decoud and Bierman who not stars but contribute and are making peanutsAbe will get from 5-8 million going forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Good work.Maybe they will be more receptive to this hearing it from you. I have been telling them for the longest that if we do not win it this year, we are doomed.How good of a GM can YKW be if he does not understand the value of draft picks/rookie contracts? Rookie contracts are great value and protect you from the impending doom such as ours.Keep it real folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 honestly i dnt see lofton making more then grimes... grimes plays a harder position and made the pro bowl from that position... but saying that lofton shouldnt be to far off tho... but out of all thoes guys grimes should make the most out of them all... def on defense... since we dnt have a 1 next year that helps us out. a lot of thoes contracts will give us space just by them being up anyway... there should be enough to sign them all. def is we resign mat ryan to and extension we should be fine..Yea in my scenario I have Grimes making more PER ..Lofton might get a longer term deal tho but Grimes will see more up front money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 stand corrected Tony G has a 8 mil cap ..this year ..If he doesnt retire I see him at 2 yrs 10 mil ..5 a seasonor 1 year deal..if he retires ...huge hole at TE if we plan to go that route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 TD recently signed free agents far below what was expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 TD recently signed free agents far below what was expected.and were up against the cap now ...you think Grimes after another solid season is going to play for 2 mil or Lofton on his rookie contract 600k Lofton a tackling machine and one of better young MLBS .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch46745 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) Doesn't Matt Ryan's big roster bonus count a lot against the cap this year? If so, how much free cap space would it be next season? Edited August 23, 2011 by ch46745 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard_falcon Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 (edited) AbeGrimesLoftonTony G ...if he doesnt retire short term dealMcClureRedmanHarry DouglasDecoudBiermanWeemsSnellingAbraham: will re-sign for less money per season than he has been making recentlyGrimes: will hopefully sign to a major dealLofton: will hopefully sign to a major dealGonzalez: will either retire or be brought back for an extremely low cap numberMcClure: will almost certainly retire; if not, we cut ties and start HawleyRedman: we could let Redman go and work with Wilson as our #2Douglas: will hopefully sign to a moderate deal fitting a #3 WRDeCoud: honestly, i wouldn't mind if we let DeCoud unless he has a much better 2011 seasonBiermann: will hopefully sign to a moderate deal fitting a #3 DE Weems: will either re-sign or he won't; he's replacable with Franks showing well at punt returns and the new kickoff rules limiting his upside as a returnerSnelling: if we lose him next year, we lose him - i'm not gonna cry over it with Rodgers looking good and running backs pretty easy to obtain via the draftAbraham and Gonzalez will make a lot less money next season, if they are back at all. Yes, Grimes and Lofton need to be locked up long-term, but they're the only major ones.The salary cap will be higher next season, so that will help free up some money. PLUS we don't have to worry about bringing in any kind of big rookie contracts because 1) we don't have a first round pick and 2) the new rookie wage scale.And if things actually DO get tight, I bet Ryan would be more than willing to re-structure his cap to free up some money.The deals TD worked out with Ray Edwards and Tyson Clabo show that he knows exactly how to handle the salary cap. The only thing uncertain about the future is when people are going to stop whining about our salary cap.Stop trying to make something out of nothing. Several posters were doing this LAST offseason, saying we'd never be able to re-sign any of our offensive linemen because we'd be over the cap... and look how that turned out. Edited August 23, 2011 by virginiafalcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift Posted August 23, 2011 Author Share Posted August 23, 2011 And if things actually DO get tight, I bet Ryan would be more than willing to re-structure his cap to free up some money.disagree..if anything were going to have to offer Ryan a new contract if he does what many people think this year..He will be a Free agent in 2 years and there has to be a thought process of locking him up LONG TERM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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