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:angry:Go Away! How could this affect the new CBA?\

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- The NFL lockout is over, but the legal wrangling is not.

Lawyers for the NFL, the players' union and a group of retirees were back in federal court in St. Paul, Minn., on Wednesday. The retirees, led by former Vikings star Carl Eller, say they were shut out of the settlement that ended the lockout.

At issue before U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson is whether to order everyone back into mediation before U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan, who helped broker the deal.

Nelson said the retirees face an uphill battle, but held off on an immediate decision. She told the lawyers to meet with Boylan on Wednesday afternoon to discuss informally whether mediation would be helpful ahead of another hearing scheduled for Sept. 15.

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What about the average joe who worked for 45 years only to find that his company's pension plan was insolvent? Who's gonna look after his interests? A NFL retiree made great money for a few years work, likely got a free college education(if they took advantage of that) and maybe some other money tied to their playing days. Just how much do they need!

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What about the average joe who worked for 45 years only to find that his company's pension plan was insolvent? Who's gonna look after his interests? A NFL retiree made great money for a few years work, likely got a free college education(if they took advantage of that) and maybe some other money tied to their playing days. Just how much do they need!

Sure, that could be said for the guys who have played in the last 20 years, but what about the guys who played in the 60's and 70's?

They formed the foundation of what the league is now and they did make anything back then. Some had to work second jobs in the offseason.

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What about the average joe who worked for 45 years only to find that his company's pension plan was insolvent? Who's gonna look after his interests? A NFL retiree made great money for a few years work, likely got a free college education(if they took advantage of that) and maybe some other money tied to their playing days. Just how much do they need!

They have cognitive impairment from multiple concussions. Their knees are shot. Their joints ache. They need shoulder surgery, knees surgery, back surgery . . .

And their pension plan ain't exactly insolvent.

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Are the retired players members of the players union? Do they pay dues?

Do the retired players have an official retirement package?

If so, How did it change?

Or are they supported by charitable contributions from the NFL and the NFLPA?

I do not know, asking real question.

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Football goes on as retired players continue their fight.

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- A federal judge said Wednesday that a group of retired players led by Hall of Famer Carl Eller faces an uphill battle as it seeks to press forward with a lawsuit over unresolved issues stemming from the NFL lockout.

U.S. District Judge Susan Richard Nelson convened a status conference to decide whether it would be worthwhile to order the three sides to sit down again next week with U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan, who brokered the agreement that ended the lockout but did not settle the retirees' still-pending lawsuit.

Attorneys for the league and NFL Players Association argued against letting the lawsuit move forward or going to mediation. Representing the NFL, David Boies said retirees received a substantial increase in benefits under the new CBA. NFLPA attorney Jeffrey Kessler pointed out that the court has not yet added the union as a defendant to the retirees' original lawsuit, so there's nothing for the union to mediate at the moment.

Nelson said she sympathizes with the retirees but likened their case to "pushing a rock up a hill."

Rather than ordering more mediation, she told the three sides to sit down with Boylan for informal talks Wednesday afternoon.

Afterward, lawyers for all sides said the discussions produced no agreement or date for additional mediation.

During a break in the discussions, Eller expressed optimism for an eventual resolution, saying the NFL has been receptive to the retirees' concerns but that the union has been "problematic."

"We want to have a say. That's the whole crux of the matter," Eller said.

The sides are due back in court Sept. 15 before Magistrate Judge Jeanne Graham for a hearing on whether the retirees can amend their complaint to reflect their objections to how the new contract was reached, and whether to add the players' association as a defendant.

The Eller lawsuit seeks certification as a class action to cover all retirees, and former Minnesota Vikings Stu Voigt and Bob Lurtsema were among the retirees in the audience Wednesday lending their support.

But some retirees oppose the lawsuit. A statement circulated by the NFLPA on Wednesday from Hall of Famer Bobby Mitchell criticized Eller and his attorneys for using an annual charity golf event Mitchell hosted last month featuring fellow Hall of Famers to try to generate support for their cause, saying their actions were "unprofessional and discourteous."

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Sure, that could be said for the guys who have played in the last 20 years, but what about the guys who played in the 60's and 70's?

They formed the foundation of what the league is now and they did make anything back then. Some had to work second jobs in the offseason.

Agree. Recent vets, IMHO, oh well. But the older guys, who are at the core of this lawsuit should be taken care of by the NFL & NFLPA. They worked real jobs in the offseason to make ends meet, they didn't get paid anything like players today, and the medical care then was horrendous compared to today. Many of those players couldn't work normal jobs because of medical conditions after they left the game.

In actuality, the NFL made some good steps to try to make a settlement work that would benefit the retired players, but the NFLPA blocked some of what the NFL wanted to do. Still they ended up with a better overall package for retired players, but apparently it wasn't good enough (and I tend to agree with the retired guys on that).

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I know some of these players didn't make much money back in the early days. But, they some of these guys are mad because they blew all of their money instead of putting money aside for retirement later on. I agree that the league should help to some extent but they could also help their own cause and put some money in a retirement fund while they are playing.

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