Apparently CJ's meeting with JR and Hurney went great

[koolkat]

Just used the Gruden interview as an example, Auburn simplfied the O for Cam because he was so much better than everyone else, no need to get complex when Newton could just steamroll a team on the ground and then throw it over their heads when they played the run.

Ryan spent 4 years in a pro style offense, Newton one year in a one read shotgun offense, there's just no way Cam is as ready as Ryan was, which was the key to the quick turnaround.

Yeah becuase Gurden has developed alot of young QB (which he hasn't) you should take his word as law.

Please stop using stuff you read somewhere in a scouting MAG. Being in a pro system in college doesn't determine pro success. If you can pick up the terminology, haVE A great work ethic and have a good supporting class you will be a success.

[koolkat]

Did you mean the 08 season :blink:

Yeah 08' the falcons were coming off a 4-12 season in 07' where Vick was lost in the offseason and your coach left in the middle of the year.

You came back in 08 to have a 10-6 recored. Why can't we do the same thing?

[SaintsH8]

Yeah 08' the falcons were coming off a 4-12 season in 07' where Vick was lost in the offseason and your coach left in the middle of the year.

You came back in 08 to have a 10-6 recored. Why can't we do the same thing?

Did you mean 11-5? :blink:

[Borat]

Yeah 08' the falcons were coming off a 4-12 season in 07' where Vick was lost in the offseason and your coach left in the middle of the year.

You came back in 08 to have a 10-6 recored. Why can't we do the same thing?

11-5

[koolkat]

Did you mean 11-5? :blink:

Yau'll went 11-5 that's even better then i thought.

[falconidae]

Yeah becuase Gurden has developed alot of young QB (which he hasn't) you should take his word as law.

Please stop using stuff you read somewhere in a scouting MAG. Being in a pro system in college doesn't determine pro success. If you can pick up the terminology, haVE A great work ethic and have a good supporting class you will be a success.

Specifically said I didn't take Gruden's word for it, that interview just confirmed my observations. I don't read scouting mags, thanks.

Being in a pro system doesn't guarantee success, doesn't hurt either.

Again, there's no way that Newton, who played in 3 different systems and only started, what, 15 games at the major college level is as pro ready as someone who started for 4 years in a pro-style system.

As a matter of fact, one of the best indicators of the bust potential for a first round QB is only having one great year in college. J Russell comes to mind.

Newton is going to struggle mightily this year.

[SaintsH8]

Yau'll went 11-5 that's even better then i thought.

We also had the benefit of a full off season with coaches and workouts. Plus Roddy is younger than Steve(who still might leave), and we played the AFC west that year a lot easier than the AFC south, but we do play the NFC north this year.

[DD: Objective Elite]

You didn't have any of those things before 2009 season.

1) Still a rookie QB Clausen and Leaf played in prosystem in college that doesn't determine success.

So you think a QB that's not NFL ready is in better position?:mellow:

2) He wasn't a 1,600 yard back before 2009. We have 2 1,000 yard back that have already proven they are 1,000 yard backs do you see the difference?

Turner had 1,699 in 2008

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/5679/michael-turner

3) White had only had 1 good season before 2009 and that was 2008. He was a bust up until then. Their is now way you can say he was top 5 before 2009.

He's top 5 now

4) Again somthing you didn't know before 2009 season was over. We already know we have a good Oline.

What does knowing have to do with anything? I said O-line is the one thing you have going for you

5)Look at my last post about schedules.

Meh, I'm sure when you finish 3-13 you'll use strength of schedule as your excuse

Tell some truth and I'll decide if it hurts.

2-14 says it all

[koolkat]

Specifically said I didn't take Gruden's word for it, that interview just confirmed my observations. I don't read scouting mags, thanks.

Being in a pro system doesn't guarantee success, doesn't hurt either.

Again, there's no way that Newton, who played in 3 different systems and only started, what, 15 games at the major college level is as pro ready as someone who started for 4 years in a pro-style system.

As a matter of fact, one of the best indicators of the bust potential for a first round QB is only having one great year in college. J Russell comes to mind.

Newton is going to struggle mightily this year.

So did Mark Sanchez,Bradford, and Flacco was at a very small school. But your opinion is yours it won't change until Cam changes it.

[koolkat]

We also had the benefit of a full off season with coaches and workouts. Plus Roddy is younger than Steve(who still might leave), and we played the AFC west that year a lot easier than the AFC south, but we do play the NFC north this year.

Now this is the best reason. Nobody else brought this up. The lockout might make for a rough start for us.

the Steve thing really is not that big of a deal. Steve is only 2 years older then White and he might not be on the team. If Steve leaves we will go after Rice or Edwards.

[koolkat]

Aagin in 08' after your 4-12 season none of this was true.

[Falcons115]

Just because we did it doesn't mean you will, can you? sure. will you? doubtful. Carolina has to face all the NFC South teams twice and back in 08' no team was as good as they are now.

[paulitik]

You could always interpret it that he meant by great, he's convinced he'll never have to play with that $#!+ team, with their $#!+ owner ever again.

[koolkat]

Just because we did it doesn't mean you will, can you? sure. will you? doubtful. Carolina has to face all the NFC South teams twice and back in 08' no team was as good as they are now.

Not affraid at all!! Since we were in most of our divisional games until the 4th. With injuries, a lameduck coaching staff, a owner preparing for the lockout and rookies every where. We will be more competitive this season.

[dyoshot]

You didn't have any of those things before 2009 season.

1) Still a rookie QB Clausen and Leaf played in prosystem in college that doesn't determine success.

2) He wasn't a 1,600 yard back before 2009. We have 2 1,000 yard back that have already proven they are 1,000 yard backs do you see the difference?

3) White had only had 1 good season before 2009 and that was 2008. He was a bust up until then. Their is now way you can say he was top 5 before 2009.

4) Again somthing you didn't know before 2009 season was over. We already know we have a good Oline.

5)Look at my last post about schedules.

Tell some truth and I'll decide if it hurts.

Roddy didn't have a good season until 2008? How about the 83 receptions, 1,202 yards, and 6 TD's he had in the 2007 season? Pretty good for a bust if you ask me.

[koolkat]

Roddy didn't have a good season until 2008? How about the 83 receptions, 1,202 yards, and 6 TD's he had in the 2007 season? Pretty good for a bust if you ask me.

I've already admitted that i was a season off. Read other post. He had that season 07' when you went 4-12. Before that most on this board though he was a bust.

[falconidae]

So did Mark Sanchez,Bradford, and Flacco was at a very small school. But your opinion is yours it won't change until Cam changes it.

Bradford had 2 really good years, doesn't count as a one year wonder, Flaco had 2 3000 yard, 18 TD years, doesn't count as one year wonder either, Sanchez does, So does A. Smith, David Carr, A. Smith, R. Leaf.

It's not my opinion that a one year wonder is more likely a bust in the NFL, it's a fact. Sanchez is an exception, Newton may be.

If he is, you can can come back to this thread and say I told you so. And I'll go " I was wrong" and go on with my life.

But I 'm thinking that the Ds that Newton goes up against are going to be a little more complex than the ones he saw in college, that, esp. if Smith is traded, you don't have much of a receiver core and the D is going to get worn out because of all the 3 and outs and the Panthers aren't going to be anywhere near 500, much less the playoffs. In 2 years, the panthers may be a team to reckoned with, but not this year.

[SaintsH8]

I've already admitted that i was a season off. Read other post. He had that season 07' when you went 4-12. Before that most on this board though he was a bust.

Like I said before he didn't have a full ofseason with the coaches to help him along.

[Ga_spider]

man im getting a little bit worried we need to sign a DE, TD better work his magic

We went 13-3, won the division and conference. We'll be ok.

[Farmer2]

Aagin in 08' after your 4-12 season none of this was true.

I tend to agree with your arguments. In 2008 we were being predicted to win 1 game, and we ended up 11-5. I think the biggest difference between our situation in 08 and your's now is the strength of the division now. The NFCS is by far the best division in football. New Orleans and ATL have proved they are not one year wonders, and barring injury will contend again. Tampa came out of no where last year and needs to prove consistency, but I do think Freeman has proved he's the real deal. It will be an absolute war just to make it out of the division this year.

[SSL810HIO]

he must have got a call from mr. Blank while talking to them

[DUB]

more than likely

watch.....

^

[Big Bubba]

I tend to agree with your arguments. In 2008 we were being predicted to win 1 game, and we ended up 11-5. I think the biggest difference between our situation in 08 and your's now is the strength of the division now. The NFCS is by far the best division in football. New Orleans and ATL have proved they are not one year wonders, and barring injury will contend again. Tampa came out of no where last year and needs to prove consistency, but I do think Freeman has proved he's the real deal. It will be an absolute war just to make it out of the division this year.

I don't know, going into the '08 season, the Panthers were supposed to have the best running attack in the division. The Bucs, the best defense. The Saints were supposed to have an outrageous air attack... basically, they were all supposed to be great, while the Falcons were supposed to suck royally.

This year, the Saints, Falcons and Bucs are all supposed to be great, while the Panthers are supposed to suck royally... I don't put much stock in predictions before the season starts. Any of the "Great" teams could suffer a set back, while the Panthers could luck up.

It's why I love this division. Stranger things have happened, every season, since this division came to be.

[falconsd56]

Not affraid at all!! Since we were in most of our divisional games until the 4th. With injuries, a lameduck coaching staff, a owner preparing for the lockout and rookies every where. We will be more competitive this season.

honestly I dont think you will.

You might win some more games but I dont think you will be as competitive.

I know that sounds odd but its just like I think we lose a couple more games then last year but I think we will be a better football team.

The reason I say you wont be is simple....time

The panthers and newton lost LOTS and LOTS of valuable time, You will most likely have a rookie qb who never went through any OTAS, no mini camps, or coaching session no opportunity to pick the coaches brain to figure out exactly what read goes for that specific formation. the existing players wont be much help because its a brand new offense to them too.

Same goes for defense, brand new defense, no otas, no mini camp ect.