Apparently CJ's meeting with JR and Hurney went great

[falconidae]

Objective much?

Don't forget that the Falcons also have the same amount of playoff wins that the Panthers have, since '08. Despite having two more winning seasons.

first class winning teams are teams like the Packers, Steelers, Saints, Colts, Patriots, etc.. Teams that have won it all. Not teams that constantly get bounced out of the playoffs after their first game.

Homer much? Falcons are a better team than Carolina right now. He might not want to wait to see if Cam is the real thing or the next Jrussell.

And the Falcons can say truthfully, that Johnson can come in and be a really important part of a great D.

[Panther Pride]

Homer much? Falcons are a better team than Carolina right now. He might not want to wait to see if Cam is the real thing or the next Jrussell.

And the Falcons can say truthfully, that Johnson can come in and be a really important part of a great D.

Our LB core is better than yours, Greg Hardy is also gonna be a star. And Rivera is a defensive GURU.

Edited July 26, 2011 by Panther Pride

[koolkat]

Homer much? Falcons are a better team than Carolina right now. He might not want to wait to see if Cam is the real thing or the next Jrussell.

And the Falcons can say truthfully, that Johnson can come in and be a really important part of a great D.

It's not like he's 30years old he is only 24 he wants money now and we have more then you.

Not to mention your team at of all should know how quick things can turn around.

[stumpjumper]

It's not like he's 30years old he is only 24 he wants money now and we have more then you.

Not to mention your team at of all should know how quick things can turn around.

I just don't think your team will turn around that quickly...you have a new qb, signed under previous cb rules, there's a lot of cash gone from the cap. You have tons of free agents, and yet your expecting CJ to get buckoo bucks? On top of that, your team hasn't had time for any real minicamps, learning a new playbook, players building chemistry, etc. I just don't see a drastic turn around any time soon.

[ZOSO62]

agreed.

the first time Jared Allen had double-digit sacks he was a one year wonder.

the first time any player puts up great stats you can say that. CJ has been in league 4 years - most players at most positions take a few years to develop.

Especially JA98

[falconidae]

It's not like he's 30years old he is only 24 he wants money now and we have more then you.

Not to mention your team at of all should know how quick things can turn around.

When Ryan was interviewed before the draft by the falcons FO, they gave him a couple of plays and asked him to diagram the route trees, he spent 45 minutes at the whiteboard. Cam would have said "36" and sat back down. Ryan was ready to play as a rookie, Cam isn't. He may become a great QB, but it will be 2-3 years down the road. CJ may not want to wait.

[stumpjumper]

When Ryan was interviewed before the draft by the falcons FO, they gave him a couple of plays and asked him to diagram the route trees, he spent 45 minutes at the whiteboard. Cam would have said "36" and sat back down. Ryan was ready to play as a rookie, Cam isn't. He may become a great QB, but it will be 2-3 years down the road. CJ may not want to wait.

Thank you, that's one of the things I was trying to say

[atlGM]

Osi....I want Osi......CJ was always an extreme long shot anyway.

exactly OSI is our bext move

[stumpjumper]

exactly OSI is our bext move

Osi is a big time short term fix, maybe CJ would be a long term, not sure.

[koolkat]

I just don't think your team will turn around that quickly...you have a new qb, signed under previous cb rules, there's a lot of cash gone from the cap. You have tons of free agents, and yet your expecting CJ to get buckoo bucks? On top of that, your team hasn't had time for any real minicamps, learning a new playbook, players building chemistry, etc. I just don't see a drastic turn around any time soon.

Wait a minute. You had a rookie qb. A Fa rb who was a back-up for most of his career. A new coaching staff. Why can't we make the same turn around you did. Not to mention the Bucs didn't have a great roster last year and they went 10-6.

Cam is signing under new Cba rules and Clausen was a mid 2nd round pick. So which QB is taking all our cap space?

[Minzear]

Our LB core is better than yours, Greg Hardy is also gonna be a star. And Rivera is a defensive GURU.

... Homerism at its best

[koolkat]

When Ryan was interviewed before the draft by the falcons FO, they gave him a couple of plays and asked him to diagram the route trees, he spent 45 minutes at the whiteboard. Cam would have said "36" and sat back down. Ryan was ready to play as a rookie, Cam isn't. He may become a great QB, but it will be 2-3 years down the road. CJ may not want to wait.

Wow I see John Gurden determines who you like at QB. The panthers also gave Cam a playbook he did pretty well in their chalk board session.

Not to mention we have 2 1,000 yard backs a Oline with 2 probowlers on it and the best back 7 in the NFCS on defense. I like our chances for a quick turn around.

[DD: Objective Elite]

Wait a minute. You had a rookie qb. A Fa rb who was a back-up for most of his career. A new coaching staff. Why can't we make the same turn around you did. Not to mention the Bucs didn't have a great roster last year and they went 10-6.

Cam is signing under new Cba rules and Clausen was a mid 2nd round pick. So which QB is taking all our cap space?

Let's see...

We had an NFL ready QB

1,600 yard RB

top 5 receiver

solid O-Line

easy schedule

You have one of those five this year, I expect the Panthers to get swept again in the toughest division in football. You're not finishing anywhere near 11-5, sorry truth hurts.

[stumpjumper]

Wait a minute. You had a rookie qb. A Fa rb who was a back-up for most of his career. A new coaching staff. Why can't we make the same turn around you did. Not to mention the Bucs didn't have a great roster last year and they went 10-6.

Cam is signing under new Cba rules and Clausen was a mid 2nd round pick. So which QB is taking all our cap space?

ah, I see, thought the old CBA rules applied this year to the draftees. However, that said, how many free agents do you have? Our rookie qb played in a pro style system - Cam played in a 1 read shotgun. Your rb situation is beastly however, you have one of the best 1-2 punches in the game. Bucs benefited from a weak schedule imo :P

[BadMoonRising]

Wait a minute. You had a rookie qb. A Fa rb who was a back-up for most of his career. A new coaching staff. Why can't we make the same turn around you did. Not to mention the Bucs didn't have a great roster last year and they went 10-6.

Cam is signing under new Cba rules and Clausen was a mid 2nd round pick. So which QB is taking all our cap space?

Yes we did turn around, but no sane person could of predicted it.

[AnonFalcFan]

Wow I see John Gurden determines who you like at QB. The panthers also gave Cam a playbook he did pretty well in their chalk board session.

Not to mention we have 2 1,000 yard backs a Oline with 2 probowlers on it and the best back 7 in the NFCS on defense. I like our chances for a quick turn around.

To be honest, I think Carolina has a great future ahead of them. They have a great coach, plenty of talent, and a young and talented hard-working quarterback, but like someone else alluded to, it's July 26th. Cam has very little time to get adjusted to the speed and complexities in the NFL and he won't be able to rely on his legs as he did many times at Auburn. I doubted him earlier but I think he will be a GREAT quarterback in the future. He's mature, athletic, and super-cool under pressure. I just don't see a strong turnaround from the Panthers in 2011, especially given that the schedules are harder for the NFCS this year. I see 6 wins for the Panthers this year.

[koolkat]

Yes we did turn around, but no sane person could of predicted it.

I agree but seeing other teams do it and you have a better roster then them when they did it gives some hope.

[AnonFalcFan]

Wait a minute. You had a rookie qb. A Fa rb who was a back-up for most of his career. A new coaching staff. Why can't we make the same turn around you did. Not to mention the Bucs didn't have a great roster last year and they went 10-6.

I thought my other post didn't post didn't work.

Edited July 26, 2011 by AnonFalcFan

[koolkat]

To be honest, I think Carolina has a great future ahead of them. They have a great coach, plenty of talent, and a young and talented hard-working quarterback, but like someone else alluded to, it's July 26th. Cam has very little time to get adjusted to the speed and complexities in the NFL and he won't be able to rely on his legs as he did many times at Auburn. I doubted him earlier but I think he will be a GREAT quarterback in the future. He's mature, athletic, and super-cool under pressure. I just don't see a strong turnaround from the Panthers in 2011, especially given that the schedules are harder for the NFCS this year. I see 6 wins for the Panthers this year.

This hard schedule thing can be taken in 2 ways. It looks hard on paper but nobody knows what these teams will look like when we play them. Injuries and the fact that we haven't even had a FA period before they determine schedule strenght. I really don't care about schedule strenght until the end of a season.

[g-dawg]

To be honest, I think Carolina has a great future ahead of them. They have a great coach, plenty of talent, and a young and talented hard-working quarterback, but like someone else alluded to, it's July 26th. Cam has very little time to get adjusted to the speed and complexities in the NFL and he won't be able to rely on his legs as he did many times at Auburn. I doubted him earlier but I think he will be a GREAT quarterback in the future. He's mature, athletic, and super-cool under pressure. I just don't see a strong turnaround from the Panthers in 2011, especially given that the schedules are harder for the NFCS this year. I see 6 wins for the Panthers this year.

I think Cam could develop into a very good QB and most of what you say above I can agree with.

Having said that, there is NOTHING "mature" about Cam Newton. He's got a lot of growing up to do.

[falconidae]

Wow I see John Gurden determines who you like at QB. The panthers also gave Cam a playbook he did pretty well in their chalk board session.

Not to mention we have 2 1,000 yard backs a Oline with 2 probowlers on it and the best back 7 in the NFCS on defense. I like our chances for a quick turn around.

Just used the Gruden interview as an example, Auburn simplfied the O for Cam because he was so much better than everyone else, no need to get complex when Newton could just steamroll a team on the ground and then throw it over their heads when they played the run.

Ryan spent 4 years in a pro style offense, Newton one year in a one read shotgun offense, there's just no way Cam is as ready as Ryan was, which was the key to the quick turnaround.

[koolkat]

Let's see...

We had an NFL ready QB

1,600 yard RB

top 5 receiver

solid O-Line

easy schedule

You have one of those five this year, I expect the Panthers to get swept again in the toughest division in football. You're not finishing anywhere near 11-5, sorry truth hurts.

You didn't have any of those things before 2009 season.

1) Still a rookie QB Clausen and Leaf played in prosystem in college that doesn't determine success.

2) He wasn't a 1,600 yard back before 2009. We have 2 1,000 yard back that have already proven they are 1,000 yard backs do you see the difference?

3) White had only had 1 good season before 2009 and that was 2008. He was a bust up until then. Their is now way you can say he was top 5 before 2009.

4) Again somthing you didn't know before 2009 season was over. We already know we have a good Oline.

5)Look at my last post about schedules.

Tell some truth and I'll decide if it hurts.

[koolkat]

I think Cam could develop into a very good QB and most of what you say above I can agree with.

Having said that, there is NOTHING "mature" about Cam Newton. He's got a lot of growing up to do.

Do you know him personally? So how can you determine that?

[SaintsH8]

You didn't have any of those things before 2009 season.

1) Still a rookie QB Clausen and Leaf played in prosystem in college that doesn't determine success.

2) He wasn't a 1,600 yard back before 2009. We have 2 1,000 yard back that have already proven they are 1,000 yard backs do you see the difference?

3) White had only had 1 good season before 2009 and that was 2008. He was a bust up until then. Their is now way you can say he was top 5 before 2009.

4) Again somthing you didn't know before 2009 season was over. We already know we have a good Oline.

5)Look at my last post about schedules.

Tell some truth and I'll decide if it hurts.

Did you mean the 08 season :blink:

[SnellingSomethingGood]

FOX Sports' Adam Caplan confirms a previous Charlotte Observer report that the Falcons are "very interested" in free agent Charles Johnson.

Ray Edwards was the Falcons' reported top target around draft time, but they've switched their sights to Johnson. Johnson is a younger pass rusher than Edwards and has been more productive with a far worse supporting cast, so he'd be our preferred target as well. While the Panthers will do what they can to bring back Johnson, it's clear they'll have to pay up big time.

Per Rotoworld