Theyhateme : ) Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I can actually remember when Laurent Robinson was suppose to start but that never happened..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) my bad i didn't give u any facts on why they are two different positions... let me help u out. the term '' slot'' was made because of undersized WRs that was to small to play on the outside(back when there was only 2 WR sets) you following me??? good!! since they were small but quick and agile they figured why not put him inside the numbers where he can utilize his quickness against LBs, S.... your typical x or z reciever is around 6'-6'6 as your slot WRs are 6' and under... just as playing NB isn't the same as playing CB on the outside... but i guess you think that's the same as well.. even to help you more, go and check up somewhere on NFL network that guy that plays like welker for the PATS and brandon floyd showed the difference of playing inside WR and playing outside since you think they are the same position.... when BOTH of them said they are two different positions.... but hey wat do they kno since you think a WR is just a WR... :lol: oh and look at the year bobby petrino came, he actually played jenks in the slot, and that didn't help at all... the guy couldn't get open just like he cnt now... tell me how you think jenks could work in the slot???In 2007, with Joey Harrington & Chris Redman playing QB, Jenkins had over 50 receptions, mostly out of the slot. He only started 6 games that year.If you need more explanation of how, Jenkins' height creates a mismatch with those short nickel backs you mentioned. His speed creates mismatches with LBs who have to cover him. See everything is not so cut and dry. If you're 3rd best receiver doesn't fit the typical mold of a slot WR, that doesn't mean that you're better off with a lesser player in that spot. Most of the time you still want your best players on the field. Last year Jenkins was head and shoulders above every WR not named Roddy. This year he will probably still be head and shoulders above everyone not named Roddy or Julio. I think MM is going to open things up for Ryan, and Jenkins will get another 50+ catches. Some of them will be clutch because he has transformed himself from an unreliable receiver into a possession reciever with a knack for converting 3rd downs. Edited July 16, 2011 by maxatlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 ... forgot to add that having your best blocking WR in the slot is an advantage in the running game, could be a big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Harvey, Meier, Strickland, Buckley, HD....actually have to unseat Jenkins...I mean...Matt's even expecting him back. Why would the Falcons talk the field with 1 experienced WR....the word on HD is, he hasn't proven much in 2 years...Weems is not gonna unseat him. I'd say he'll be here atleast till next year....im not saying weems is going to unset him, but i do believe he deserves a chance in the offense. you talk as if the WR group is musical chairs or something... jenks loses his spot that has nothing to do with the #3 position cause its not like its open... u make it seem like he just gets bump down a notch cause of the addition to JJ, i guess HD gets bumped to our #4 now??? even tho TD has said all year long that HD is a BIG part of of this offense going foward... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) In 2007, with Joey Harrington & Chris Redman playing QB, Jenkins had over 50 receptions, mostly out of the slot. He only started 6 games that year.If you need more explanation of how, Jenkins' height creates a mismatch with those short nickel backs you mentioned. His speed creates mismatches with LBs who have to cover him. See everything is not so cut and dry. If you're 3rd best receiver doesn't fit the typical mold of a slot WR, that doesn't mean that you're better off with a lesser player in that spot. Most of the time you still want your best players on the field. Last year Jenkins was head and shoulders above every WR not named Roddy. This year he will probably still be head and shoulders above everyone not named Roddy or Julio. I think MM is going to open things up for Ryan, and Jenkins will get another 50+ catches. Some of them will be clutch because he has transformed himself from an unreliable receiver into a possession reciever with a knack for converting 3rd downs.umm he had that many receptions cause we threw the ball more then we ran it, thats how roddy had his break out year... thats the only thing good that came from that season.. so are you trying to say HD is a lesser player then jenks??? if so then i would agree to that just because of experience. i learned a long time ago that experience isn't everything. but a guy who cnt get open on a consisten basis after 6 years in the NFL should tell you something. if he was so good in the slot then why not keep him there? HD wasnt there then so why? jenks is a long strider, thats crazy to put him in the slot and ask him to make thoes cuts that the bess, welkers make, thats just crazy man... Edited July 16, 2011 by madman88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 umm he had that many receptions cause we threw the ball more then we ran it, thats how roddy had his break out year... thats the only thing good that came from that season.. so are you trying to say HD is a lesser player then jenks??? if so then i would agree to that just because of experience. i learned a long time ago that experience isn't everything. but a guy who cnt get open on a consisten basis after 6 years in the NFL should tell you something. if he was so good in the slot then why not keep him there? HD wasnt there then so why? jenks is a long strider, thats crazy to put him in the slot and ask him to make thoes cuts that the bess, welkers make, thats just crazy man...Yes, HD is a lesser reciever than Jenkins. That's exactly what I'm saying. And Jenkins '07 receptions were not a result of us throwing the ball around. He's put up comparable numbers every year since then. You say he can't get open, but his stats say otherwise. And if anything the stats should be skewed against him because of Roddy, TG, and us running the ball. Did you actually read my post? I said he will have a height advantage over nickel backs and a speed advantage over LBs. Nowhere did I say we are gonna use him like a Welker or Bess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Yes, HD is a lesser reciever than Jenkins. That's exactly what I'm saying. And Jenkins '07 receptions were not a result of us throwing the ball around. He's put up comparable numbers every year since then. You say he can't get open, but his stats say otherwise. And if anything the stats should be skewed against him because of Roddy, TG, and us running the ball. Did you actually read my post? I said he will have a height advantage over nickel backs and a speed advantage over LBs. Nowhere did I say we are gonna use him like a Welker or Bess!uhhh go back and look at that 07 year, we threw the ball more. if your saying thats about his average then really wat your saying is weather we throww the ball or not, thats wat he is, a 50 reception guy... cause we had NO running game in 07, im sure u kno that... he cnt get open, man lets be honest, when jenks makes a play its a real good one cause he got a guy right on him, or he misses a wide open pass... consistency is wat we want. and right now the only real person who has shown that is roddy, after 6 years you dnt think its time to move on??? i mean seriously, the last two season. ppl were yelling to get roddy help, to get another WR, now that we got one now ppl wnat jenks to stay??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 uhhh go back and look at that 07 year, we threw the ball more. if your saying thats about his average then really wat your saying is weather we throww the ball or not, thats wat he is, a 50 reception guy... cause we had NO running game in 07, im sure u kno that... he cnt get open, man lets be honest, when jenks makes a play its a real good one cause he got a guy right on him, or he misses a wide open pass... consistency is wat we want. and right now the only real person who has shown that is roddy, after 6 years you dnt think its time to move on??? i mean seriously, the last two season. ppl were yelling to get roddy help, to get another WR, now that we got one now ppl wnat jenks to stay???If HD put up Jenkins numbers you'd be singin his praises. If Jenkins puts up Jenkins numbers you call him inconsistent. He's been consistent the last few years, and the numbers prove it. He put them up in 07, when we were an incredibly run heavy offense. He put them up in '08 & '09 when Ryan had tunnel vision for Roddy and Gonzo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Cooper Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I think Jenkins is worth the cap hit and certainly worth the salary. He will be traded without conflict. Many teams should vie for his services and perhaps even drive up the price one round. He may possibly be the best #2 WR AVAILABLE. Jamal Anderson on the other hand will be more difficult to trade. He was going to be asked to drop weight as the DT position is no longer a need and his services were not needed there last year. I'm eager to see what a 6-6, 277 pd, Anderson can do at LDE. If they made this request to him when they were allowed to speak to him, then hopefully he has been working to shed weight and reach his potential as a DE. He had a good forty at the combine, I think in the 4.84 range. If he can play at 280 at worst, we might see an explosiveness he always lacked. He doesn't have to turn the corner. He just has to keep contain of the edge(RB as well as QB) and bull rush the QB into the pocket to move the QB off his spot and not allow ample time to set up and scan the field. If he simply pressures the QB he can still disrupt plays and cause mistakes for our up and coming secondary. Charles Johnson had a break out season last year along the same lines as what Abraham did. It would be awesome to finally have two DE's like that, but i would hate to sign a guy for loads of money that did not do as well here and worse, blocked one of our own like biermann from having his own break out season in 2011. If we dont sign anyone at DE I hope someone busts out. If we do sign a hometown guy like Charles Johnson, Anderson will likely be cut. Maybe someone would take his production for what it will cost to honor the most expensive part of his rookie contract, but I doubt it. Everyone knows he will be cut and signed for much less than he is currently scheduled to make. Jenkins will probably be considered a deal for what his production will cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 There are too many good WR available in FA for a team to sacrafice a decent pick to get Jenkins. The Jets alone have 3 FA WR better than him, and they are rumored to be looking at Randy Moss also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) If HD put up Jenkins numbers you'd be singin his praises. If Jenkins puts up Jenkins numbers you call him inconsistent. He's been consistent the last few years, and the numbers prove it. He put them up in 07, when we were an incredibly run heavy offense. He put them up in '08 & '09 when Ryan had tunnel vision for Roddy and Gonzo.if HD put up jenks number i would be happy cause that would show improvement from his part.. but jenks had the chance of playing beside a top 5 WR and seen one-one all year long and only can mangage to average 50+ receptions???? that is a dissappointment, if jenks was doing such a good job, he wouldnt have been demoted for nothing, and we wouldnt pick a player at WR with that high of pick.... Edited July 17, 2011 by madman88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 If HD put up Jenkins numbers you'd be singin his praises. If Jenkins puts up Jenkins numbers you call him inconsistent. He's been consistent the last few years, and the numbers prove it. He put them up in 07, when we were an incredibly run heavy offense. He put them up in '08 & '09 when Ryan had tunnel vision for Roddy and Gonzo.Oh, so it's Ryan's fault Jenkins doesn't have better numbers. I see. You do know one of Ryan's strengths coming out of college was his ability to spread the ball around and not favor any one receiver, right?This is starting to sound like the Vick debate that went on in here where the lack of passing was always our receivers' fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Oh, so it's Ryan's fault Jenkins doesn't have better numbers. I see. You do know one of Ryan's strengths coming out of college was his ability to spread the ball around and not favor any one receiver, right?This is starting to sound like the Vick debate that went on in here where the lack of passing was always our receivers' fault.He hasn't done a very good job at spreading the ball around these last two years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 He hasn't done a very good job at spreading the ball around these last two years...its kinda hard to spread the ball around when your guys dnt get open.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If we want to get something for Jenkins and Anderson, best way to do it would be to let them hit free agency after this season and then sign with another team so we can get compensation picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) ... forgot to add that having your best blocking WR in the slot is an advantage in the running game, could be a big one.When a team goes three WR, the other team usually goes nickel D, meaning one of the best run defenders, a starting LB, is taken off the field and replaced with the third best CB (usually).That's where Jenkins could really shine. Jenkins is used to being covered by the top two CBs on the defense. Put the nickelback in there, and first off Jenkins can block him, or get open against him. Our coaches are not dumb, there is a plan I know. Edited July 18, 2011 by egoprime II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons faithful Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Ok half of this whole thing is bashing M.J the other half likes him. My question is to Knight of GOD if he is any good why trade him & if SD needs a DE why would they want J.A. SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 its kinda hard to spread the ball around when your guys dnt get open....Forces the ball way too much...but he's only been playing 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM12 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Forces the ball way too much...but he's only been playing 3 years.9 ints last year.. yea he forces it way too much.. smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 9 ints last year.. yea he forces it way too much.. smhNot in terms of throwing INTs..smh.... :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Flipside: It says a lot about the incumbent when there is any chance what so ever that they could beat out the #6 overall pick in the draft.I guess we now have something concrete to disagree about. I think Jenkins will still be here and you say he'll be gone. One of us is gonna be right and no amount of spin is gonna change it.And that would be me.That's right, I did it. For all the abuse I took on this one, I totally deserved that shot lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 And that would be me.That's right, I did it. For all the abuse I took on this one, I totally deserved that shot lol.I was wrong on this one. Of course, I was right about the thread I started saying Nicholas would be back, but I didn't feel the need to bump that old thread in which you disagreed with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 I was wrong on this one. Of course, I was right about the thread I started saying Nicholas would be back, but I didn't feel the need to bump that old thread in which you disagreed with me. LOL well I want think any less of you if you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 And that would be me.That's right, I did it. For all the abuse I took on this one, I totally deserved that shot lol.+1....You called it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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