dmo_dlo Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) I don't really understand people thinking that 5 mil a year is not big money. Even though the Falcons will only save 3.5 mil by cutting him, they can sign 2 or 3 FA backups for that amount of money.Cutting Jenkins will not save us a penny in cap room to help us sign other players. In fact we will lose money if we cut him as the remaining of his $7.5M (=$3.75M) bonus will count towards our cap this year, meaning we'll lose approximately $0.25M towards signing other players.EDIT: My mistake, it'd save us about $1.8M. Still I don't think that's enough to justify cutting him. Edited July 15, 2011 by dmo_dlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Cutting Jenkins will not save us a penny in cap room to help us sign other players. In fact we will lose money if we cut him as the remaining of his $7.5M (=$3.75M) bonus will count towards our cap this year, meaning we'll lose approximately $0.25M towards signing other players.EDIT: My mistake, it'd save us about $1.5M. Still I don't think that's enough to justify cutting him.No, it would save 3.5 million. This year's portion of the bonus will count against the cap regardless of whether he is on the team or not. If he is cut, the remaining portion will count against the cap NEXT YEAR. After June 1st, the cap hit if you cut a guy gets pushed to the following season. If you cut him before June 1st, it counts the same season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 No, it would save 3.5 million. This year's portion of the bonus will count against the cap regardless of whether he is on the team or not. If he is cut, the remaining portion will count against the cap NEXT YEAR. After June 1st, the cap hit if you cut a guy gets pushed to the following season. If you cut him before June 1st, it counts the same season.I'd be surprised if they cut him. They've already let one go. Ryan and MJ has a rapport...I just don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 The earliest Jenks will get the boot from this team will be next season. Do you guys not see the potential of this offense with Jenks, Roddy, Julio and HD in 3 or 4 WR sets. Jenks, Roddy and Julio alone would be give the opposing DC a headache. Having Jenks or Julio in the slot on certain 3 WR sets will be really deadly. Oh man I cant wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 To who ever asked when he played ST, look it up for yourself.It was you who said he can play gunner. I asked when because I don't recall ever seeing it. If you can't produce, just say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 It was you who said he can play gunner. I asked when because I don't recall ever seeing it. If you can't produce, just say so. I know he played pretty much all of his rookie season. I'm surprised that you don't remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Funny that everyone assumes Jenkins is now our number 4 WR and that he won't play ST. Neither assumption is backed up with common sense.To who ever asked when he played ST, look it up for yourself.i mean its pretty common sense.. its almost a dead give away... think about it... when u draft a guy in the draft with the 6th pick, your looking for a STARTER!!! if its a WR, he usually will be there #1 guy eventually. in this case we have that, so what will he be? #2, the compliment to roddy. so who job does that take? jenks. HD is not garunteed the slot as weems could be in on the competition for PT... but jenks is not a slot WR, two TOTALLY different positions. so where does that leave him? IMO he gets cut sense we couldnt deal him during the draft, and his contract doenst fit with what they would ask him to do, play few snaps and mostly ST.... but that would leave him as our #4 but bbby that time if im player im asking to get cut or traded, nobody is going to sit for that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 The earliest Jenks will get the boot from this team will be next season. Do you guys not see the potential of this offense with Jenks, Roddy, Julio and HD in 3 or 4 WR sets. Jenks, Roddy and Julio alone would be give the opposing DC a headache. Having Jenks or Julio in the slot on certain 3 WR sets will be really deadly. Oh man I cant wait.no it wnt, and i really dnt see us keeping jenks, i really dnt.... its not just about the player, his contract plays a big part, and the only thing they can do about it is, exted him or cut him or trade him... just like a lot of us said we dnt want to put to much money in CB, well thats exactly wat we would be doing if we tried to keep him and sign JJ with roddys contract. we honestly dnt need him, we upgraded the position he was in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Trade Jabusterson and Jenks (or just JaBust) to the skins for Haynesworth and cut him after the 2012-13 season, most of his guaranteed money has been paid out and his base salary doesn't get ridiculous until the 2013 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 i mean its pretty common sense.. its almost a dead give away... think about it... when u draft a guy in the draft with the 6th pick, your looking for a STARTER!!! if its a WR, he usually will be there #1 guy eventually. in this case we have that, so what will he be? #2, the compliment to roddy. so who job does that take? jenks. HD is not garunteed the slot as weems could be in on the competition for PT... but jenks is not a slot WR, two TOTALLY different positions. so where does that leave him? IMO he gets cut sense we couldnt deal him during the draft, and his contract doenst fit with what they would ask him to do, play few snaps and mostly ST.... but that would leave him as our #4 but bbby that time if im player im asking to get cut or traded, nobody is going to sit for that...I'm pretty sure that he knows the slot better than any of the remaining WRs on the team. It's not rocket science to switch to the slot? LOLOL....LMAO at the lack of football knowledge in this post....LOL...All you say is that they are 2 different positions without offering, (1) What makes the position so different and (2) Why do you think MJ can't work the field from the slot? Has he not been running the X and Y positions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'm pretty sure that he knows the slot better than any of the remaining WRs on the team. It's not rocket science to switch to the slot? LOLOL....LMAO at the lack of football knowledge in this post....LOL...All you say is that they are 2 different positions without offering, (1) What makes the position so different and (2) Why do you think MJ can't work the field from the slot?He has zero agility. Agility is absolutely necessary in a slot receiver because they are working the middle of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 no it wnt, and i really dnt see us keeping jenks, i really dnt.... its not just about the player, his contract plays a big part, and the only thing they can do about it is, exted him or cut him or trade him... just like a lot of us said we dnt want to put to much money in CB, well thats exactly wat we would be doing if we tried to keep him and sign JJ with roddys contract. we honestly dnt need him, we upgraded the position he was in...Regardless it will still cost us something so it's better to keep him or ask him to renogotiate. We can do some big things with him in the offense this season. I say ride this year out and make a decision next year. With the offseason being shortened this year I find it kinda hard to cut him lose without seeing if he has improved or not. Don't be surprised if he's with the team all season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 He has zero agility. Agility is absolutely necessary in a slot receiver because they are working the middle of the field.He lettered in 3 sports with one being track (he's plenty agile)....He's developed into a Possession WR...I can live with it. Again, I'd be surprised if the Falcons traded him for a 6th or 7th...he has more worth to the team right now than any future 6th or 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 He lettered in 3 sports with one being track (he plenty agile)....He's developed into a Possession WR...I can live with it. Again, I'd be surprised if the Falcons traded him for a 6th or 7th...he has more worth to the team right now than any future 6th or 7th.Track has nothing at all to do with agility. Not unless they've instituted the 3 cone drill as a track event. I don't think so though.I am pretty sure in track they have you just run in a straight line. Or possibly in an oval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Track has nothing at all to do with agility. Not unless they've instituted the 3 cone drill as a track event. I don't think so though.I am pretty sure in track they have you just run in a straight line. Or possibly in an oval.Okay...bruh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I know he played pretty much all of his rookie season. I'm surprised that you don't remember. I've kind of mentally blocked anything after Reeves and before the Smitty era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I've kind of mentally blocked anything after Reeves and before the Smitty era. Oh....then that would explain it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sure that he knows the slot better than any of the remaining WRs on the team. It's not rocket science to switch to the slot? LOLOL....LMAO at the lack of football knowledge in this post....LOL...All you say is that they are 2 different positions without offering, (1) What makes the position so different and (2) Why do you think MJ can't work the field from the slot? Has he not been running the X and Y positions?my bad i didn't give u any facts on why they are two different positions... let me help u out. the term '' slot'' was made because of undersized WRs that was to small to play on the outside(back when there was only 2 WR sets) you following me??? good!! since they were small but quick and agile they figured why not put him inside the numbers where he can utilize his quickness against LBs, S.... your typical x or z reciever is around 6'-6'6 as your slot WRs are 6' and under... just as playing NB isn't the same as playing CB on the outside... but i guess you think that's the same as well.. even to help you more, go and check up somewhere on NFL network that guy that plays like welker for the PATS and brandon floyd showed the difference of playing inside WR and playing outside since you think they are the same position.... when BOTH of them said they are two different positions.... but hey wat do they kno since you think a WR is just a WR... :lol: oh and look at the year bobby petrino came, he actually played jenks in the slot, and that didn't help at all... the guy couldn't get open just like he cnt now... tell me how you think jenks could work in the slot??? Edited July 16, 2011 by madman88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Regardless it will still cost us something so it's better to keep him or ask him to renogotiate. We can do some big things with him in the offense this season. I say ride this year out and make a decision next year. With the offseason being shortened this year I find it kinda hard to cut him lose without seeing if he has improved or not. Don't be surprised if he's with the team all season though.we cnt stok pile on WR and keep 8 D-lineman thats my point. by the numbers somebody is going to have to go....and in smitty mind, he probably thinks the D-line is more valuable now that JJ is here.. and kerry is comming back another guy they were high on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84White32Quizz Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share Posted July 16, 2011 I cant understand why people think it is a sure thing that Jenks will even be the number 3 or 4 WR. Any day of the week HD will beat Jenks out, he was doing it in the 09 TC before the injury.Jenks doesnt have the skill set HD does and Meier COULD provide everything Jenks and Finn did. He will never get Jenks type catches or yards but that will have to due with the fact he isnt a number 2, yet.We will see what happens near the end of TC, Meier and Weems can play ST's and HD could be a PR if needed. Jenks makes to much to be a number 3 or 4 and not play ST's but we will see what his role is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 my bad i didn't give u any facts on why they are two different positions... let me help u out. the term '' slot'' was made because of undersized WRs that was to small to play on the outside(back when there was only 2 WR sets) you following me??? good!! since they were small but quick and agile they figured why not put him inside the numbers where he can utilize his quickness against LBs, S.... your typical x or z reciever is around 6'-6'6 as your slot WRs are 6' and under... just as playing NB isn't the same as playing CB on the outside... but i guess you think that's the same as well.. even to help you more, go and check up somewhere on NFL network that guy that plays like welker for the PATS and brandon floyd showed the difference of playing inside WR and playing outside since you think they are the same position.... when BOTH of them said they are two different positions.... but hey wat do they kno since you think a WR is just a WR... :lol: oh and look at the year bobby petrino came, he actually played jenks in the slot, and that didn't help at all... the guy couldn't get open just like he cnt now... tell me how you think jenks could work in the slot???You know it all bro...there's no room for anything I could possibly say. For a minute I was about to remind you that Jenkins has alternated from the X to the Y before but you only seemed to remember it from the Petrino days. The only reason why it wouldn't work is our lack of 3WR sets, but what do I know....edit: "NFL.com's Steve Wyche doesn't believe the Falcons will "dump" Michael Jenkins after trading up for Julio Jones Thursday night.Wyche is a former Falcons beat writer, so he has a good read on the situation. Still, Jenkins is due $3.5 million in 2011, and he has been "put on notice" that his starting job is in jeopardy. If he does stick, Jenkins could end up in the slot -- especially if Harry Douglas fails to consistently make plays for a second straight year."According to Pro Football Weekly, Michael Jenkins is not expected to lose his roster spot on the Falcons.Jenkins, 29, is due $3.5 million and has been replaced as a starter by Julio Jones. However, PFW hears that Atlanta is "trying to build a deep receiver corps" and has a role for Jenkins. The suggestion is using Jenkins in the slot along with Harry Douglas. Jenkins' salary is still hefty for a No. 3/4 wideout, and he may have to convincingly beat out Kerry Meier to stay on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 I cant understand why people think it is a sure thing that Jenks will even be the number 3 or 4 WR. Any day of the week HD will beat Jenks out, he was doing it in the 09 TC before the injury.Jenks doesnt have the skill set HD does and Meier COULD provide everything Jenks and Finn did. He will never get Jenks type catches or yards but that will have to due with the fact he isnt a number 2, yet.We will see what happens near the end of TC, Meier and Weems can play ST's and HD could be a PR if needed. Jenks makes to much to be a number 3 or 4 and not play ST's but we will see what his role is.It will all play out in TC, but anyways, I'm all for the BEST players getting on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 You know it all bro...there's no room for anything I could possibly say. For a minute I was about to remind you that Jenkins has alternated from the X to the Y before but you only seemed to remember it from the Petrino days. The only reason why it wouldn't work is our lack of 3WR sets, but what do I know....edit: "NFL.com's Steve Wyche doesn't believe the Falcons will "dump" Michael Jenkins after trading up for Julio Jones Thursday night.Wyche is a former Falcons beat writer, so he has a good read on the situation. Still, Jenkins is due $3.5 million in 2011, and he has been "put on notice" that his starting job is in jeopardy. If he does stick, Jenkins could end up in the slot -- especially if Harry Douglas fails to consistently make plays for a second straight year."According to Pro Football Weekly, Michael Jenkins is not expected to lose his roster spot on the Falcons.Jenkins, 29, is due $3.5 million and has been replaced as a starter by Julio Jones. However, PFW hears that Atlanta is "trying to build a deep receiver corps" and has a role for Jenkins. The suggestion is using Jenkins in the slot along with Harry Douglas. Jenkins' salary is still hefty for a No. 3/4 wideout, and he may have to convincingly beat out Kerry Meier to stay on.that same man steve wyche also said its no lock if jenks return, and jason la canfora however u spell it, also stated they dnt see us keeping him around... even if we do keep a deep roster which 6 would be the max... who are u going to let walk? they even been rumors of letting weems play some, i guess we got enough balls to go around for all these guys... i guess were going to go from a power run team to a 4 wide set now??? give me a break, even ryan said it on his lil interview that '' we are still going to be a power run team'' so scratch, idk even know how many times we went to a 4 wide set let alone 5 wide... but it couldnt have been very much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 that same man steve wyche also said its no lock if jenks return, and jason la canfora however u spell it, also stated they dnt see us keeping him around... even if we do keep a deep roster which 6 would be the max... who are u going to let walk? they even been rumors of letting weems play some, i guess we got enough balls to go around for all these guys... i guess were going to go from a power run team to a 4 wide set now??? give me a break, even ryan said it on his lil interview that '' we are still going to be a power run team'' so scratch, idk even know how many times we went to a 4 wide set let alone 5 wide... but it couldnt have been very much...Harvey, Meier, Strickland, Buckley, HD....actually have to unseat Jenkins...I mean...Matt's even expecting him back. Why would the Falcons talk the field with 1 experienced WR....the word on HD is, he hasn't proven much in 2 years...Weems is not gonna unseat him. I'd say he'll be here atleast till next year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 People need to understand what "re-doing a contract" means. It is done to lower a "cap hit" on a player. Say a player is set to make a large amount of salary in a season, but "re-doing" the contract turns that money into a bonus, allowing a team to spead it out. The reason I'm saying this is because a player can NOT lower his salary. He can't redo a contract for a lower amount. The player's union/association (whatever they want to be called) forbids it.So, will a team be willing to accept Jenkins at his current pay (because he can't take less)? I say, no. There are far too many quality FA receivers on the market who will demand less.JA98? Here is where we might get something back. He could prove more valuable to a 3-4 team because a) he's still very young; and b ) not too great of cap hit (compared to other 5 techniques out there).However, it's always a good idea to have a player on the roster that can swing between tackle and end. Right now, JA98 and Davis are about the only two (and Davis in purely passing situations). I'm not so certain JA98 is more valuable to us than he would be to a 3-4 team.I agree on both Jenkins & JA98.On Jenkins I believe he stays, he is way undervalued by this MB's "pick-a-player-to-bash" cult. Whenever a contract is reworked, like you said, it cannot be for a lower total amount. The monies get played around with on paper in terms of bonuses or extended years, but it's never a lesser deal, just a lower cap hit. And that's because the union rules make it that way (same way the baseball players union was able to void the resign/trade deal for A-Rod between the Rangers & Red Sox). However, the NFLPA is non-existent right now. There is going to be a time after the CBA agreement is reached before the NFLPA can be reformed. During that time period, there might, just might, be a way around that, giving teams the opportunity to rework a players deal with a lesser figure to the team's advantage. I doubt many, if any, teams would do that. It's not good business for them, but it could potentially be possible. I'm pretty sure we would never try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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