3-4 teams in need of a DE and WR.

[Peyton]

Flipside: It says a lot about the incumbent when there is any chance what so ever that they could beat out the #6 overall pick in the draft.

I guess we now have something concrete to disagree about. I think Jenkins will still be here and you say he'll be gone. One of us is gonna be right and no amount of spin is gonna change it.

I do think he'll be gone, but this lockout is really working in his favor, because it gives Julio a minimum amount of time to get acclimated to the offense. So....the lockout is working out for one guy at least.

By the way, it's not like my opinion is outrageous. It's easy to find many people whose job it is to follow football who think there is a good possibility that Jenkins will be cut.

[Theyhateme : )]

I do think he'll be gone, but this lockout is really working in his favor, because it gives Julio a minimum amount of time to get acclimated to the offense. So....the lockout is working out for one guy at least.

By the way, it's not like my opinion is outrageous. It's easy to find many people whose job it is to follow football who think there is a good possibility that Jenkins will be cut.

Matt thinks he'll be here....

[Peyton]

I'm not judging him on 7 year avgs, I'm judging him on what he's likely to do this year. Your stats are misleading because the point I made was that our offense was better when he was playing. It's true, regardless of his individual stats. You know that him missing 6 games last season affected his avgs, that having Gonzo and Turner in the redzone affected his TD numbers. Your stats are only going to be so big when you are the 4th option on offense.

Quit acting like Jenkins is being paid #1 money. He isn't. If you think the front office doesn't like Jenkins then you'd be hard pressed to explain why they extended his contract. They liked him enough to give him that extension and his play has since improved. Basic logic tells you he is valued.

Michael Jenkins has not improved since he signed his extension. There is not a single thing you can point to that would indicate that is true. His career literally peaked when he signed that extension.

[Peyton]

Matt thinks he'll be here....

LOL did you notice in the video when he said Jenkins name he said, "Michael Jenkins, who we had last year".

Matt Ryan doesn't stroke the checks. QBs lose receivers due to finacial reasons all the time. Ask Tom Brady.

[Theyhateme : )]

LOL did you notice in the video when he said Jenkins name he said, "Michael Jenkins, who we had last year".

Matt Ryan doesn't stroke the checks. QBs lose receivers due to finacial reasons all the time. Ask Tom Brady.

Which means, he's expecting him back as well as HD...LOLOL

[maxatlanta]

Michael Jenkins has not improved since he signed his extension. There is not a single thing you can point to that would indicate that is true. His career literally peaked when he signed that extension.

Over the last 2 seasons:

Roddy 200 receptions

Gonzo 153 receptions

Jenkins 91 receptions

Jenkins missed 1/3 of the season last year. Instead of playing in 16 games, he played in 11. He had 41 receptions. If you do basic math to extrapolate what his stats would have looked like over 16 games it comes out to 60 receptions. It would also give him an avg of 55 receptions over the last 2 seasons. That is the same number he had in his "peak" season, the one that earned him the contract. You won't see me saying if this and if that when talking about players past performances. But when trying to project a players stats for the upcoming season, I'm gonna project them for 16 games. The guy has not been injury prone.

If you apply the standards of a 3.5 million dollar salary, for the 3rd/4th receiving option on your offense, then 60 receptions is great. His value is even more obvious if you observed the improvement in our offense when he returned to the field last season, a lot of his catches came on 3rd down.

If Roddy or Julio get injured, there is no other receiver on our team that's proven capable of filling their spot. Jenkins is valuable for his 50+ receptions/year, and even more so because he can back those guys up- something HD unfortunately could not do. Wanna see Meir starting on the outside coming off his knee injury? Weems? It makes no sense to trade away Jenkins, even less if you are claiming his relatively small 3.5 million salary is the reason.

One more interesting stat, he has never fumbled in his entire career.

[Peyton]

If you apply the standards of a 3.5 million dollar salary, for the 3rd/4th receiving option on your offense, then 60 receptions is great. His value is even more obvious if you observed the improvement in our offense when he returned to the field last season, a lot of his catches came on 3rd down.

When you include his bonus his average is $5 mil a season. That's way more than a normal 4th receiving option makes.

We'll see what happens.

[Shotty Ice]

If Michael Jenkins was worth his salary, then the Falcons wouldn't have traded away the farm, momma's farm, daddy's farm, brother's farm, and sister's farm to get him off the field.

And you are wrong about his salary. His base salary is 3.5 m. His salary cap hit will include almost 2 mil in prorated bonus.

Yeah except we didn't give up anyone's farm to draft Julio Jones. We gave up picks in this year and next year's draft. Not that big of a deal.

Am I nuts for wanting to see Roddy and Jenkins on the outside and Julio in the slot? Am I the only one with the opinion that we should have all three of those guys on the team?

Edited July 15, 2011 by Headshot Rising

[DD: Objective Elite]

Jenkins Cap hit for 2011 and 2012 is 3.5mil and 4.5mil respectively. This is According to Rotoworld profile.

That's 2.5 Mil and 3.5 Mil to much, respectively.

[Peyton]

Yeah except we didn't give up anyone's farm to draft Julio Jones. We gave up picks in this year and next year's draft. Not that big of a deal.

Am I nuts for wanting to see Roddy and Jenkins on the outside and Julio in the slot? Am I the only one with the opinion that we should have all three of those guys on the team?

The Falcons can't afford it at the rate Jenkins is paid.

[maxatlanta]

When you include his bonus his average is $5 mil a season. That's way more than a normal 4th receiving option makes.

We'll see what happens.

Yes, but you can't cut the bonus, so what we would save by cutting him is just the salary. Also, 50 or 60 receptions makes one heck of a 4th option, one worth paying the above avg salary for IMO. We haven't gotten into the value he adds in our run game, which good teams/GMs would not overlook.

My earlier post was actually wrong in one place. He had just 50 receptions in that peak 2008 season. He matched that the following year and would have surpassed it last season had he played all 16 games. Not sure if its been stated already, but like Roddy, Jenkins is in his prime.

Agree to disagree on this one. I couldn't defend the guy if we were talking about being a number 1 or making big money. I just think his stats, clutch receptions, blocking, and being the only other proven WR on our team make him more valuable than you do.

[Atlfanstckndenver]

Why do we have to spend 90%? Cause there could be rookies we need to resign. Lets say that the new rookie way scale lets us get julio for way cheap. But in 5 years he'll need to get paid more, but we may not be able to because we had to put down 115 million out of 130 million. Meaning we could only give a star returning rookie 15 million.

im not sure thats how that would work unless you where giving all of that 15 mill to julio within a 1 yr deal. which would be stupid of course.

[Peyton]

Yes, but you can't cut the bonus, so what we would save by cutting him is just the salary. Also, 50 or 60 receptions makes one heck of a 4th option, one worth paying the above avg salary for IMO. We haven't gotten into the value he adds in our run game, which good teams/GMs would not overlook.

My earlier post was actually wrong in one place. He had just 50 receptions in that peak 2008 season. He matched that the following year and would have surpassed it last season had he played all 16 games. Not sure if its been stated already, but like Roddy, Jenkins is in his prime.

Agree to disagree on this one. I couldn't defend the guy if we were talking about being a number 1 or making big money. I just think his stats, clutch receptions, blocking, and being the only other proven WR on our team make him more valuable than you do.

I don't really understand people thinking that 5 mil a year is not big money.

Even though the Falcons will only save 3.5 mil by cutting him, they can sign 2 or 3 FA backups for that amount of money.

[Theyhateme : )]

I don't really understand people thinking that 5 mil a year is not big money.

Even though the Falcons will only save 3.5 mil by cutting him, they can sign 2 or 3 FA backups for that amount of money.

Backups that haven't a clue about our offense, nevertheless any type of rapport with Ryan.

[Voice of Reason]

For the people thinking Jenkins will be the #3, #4 receiver...you do realize that unless you're a #1 or #2, you are a special teams player first, receiver second?

This isn't college. There are so few roster spots that a #3/4 receiver HAS to pull double duty and contribute on special teams. HD/Finn/Weems all were heavy contributors on ST. If you think Jenkins will join this rank, please tell us where he'll play on ST.

I, for one, don't see it.

[Atlfanstckndenver]

i still think with the julio deall those draft picks we gave up arent as valuable as some here seem to think when considering re signing players we already have has ALREADY BECOME OUR MOST PRESSING DISCUSSION!!! People here will talk of the cost given up to get julio while we start to realize that we already can't keep everyone. Those draft picks would have only made resigning our players even more difficult. Not to mention after next years draft and off season we have less free agents to resign and all of our normal picks again. I think giving up all of those picks actually might help in more ways than one. IT CERTAINLY wont set us back as far as some here seem to think.

[maxatlanta]

For the people thinking Jenkins will be the #3, #4 receiver...you do realize that unless you're a #1 or #2, you are a special teams player first, receiver second?

This isn't college. There are so few roster spots that a #3/4 receiver HAS to pull double duty and contribute on special teams. HD/Finn/Weems all were heavy contributors on ST. If you think Jenkins will join this rank, please tell us where he'll play on ST.

I, for one, don't see it.

Jenkins has played plenty on special teams. He was a gunner.

And you're wrong about the importance of a team's #3, #4 receiver. Just ask GB, IND, NO, PHI, BAL... The league is becoming more and more pass happy. Teams try to take away your top weapons and the 3rd option guys are how you make them pay.

Look up the teams whose third leading receiver had 50+ catches. It's a pretty short list and consists of nearly only playoff teams. The only exception I can think of would be the Texans.

[madman88]

People need to understand what "re-doing a contract" means.

It is done to lower a "cap hit" on a player. Say a player is set to make a large amount of salary in a season, but "re-doing" the contract turns that money into a bonus, allowing a team to spead it out.

The reason I'm saying this is because a player can NOT lower his salary. He can't redo a contract for a lower amount. The player's union/association (whatever they want to be called) forbids it.

So, will a team be willing to accept Jenkins at his current pay (because he can't take less)? I say, no. There are far too many quality FA receivers on the market who will demand less.

JA98? Here is where we might get something back. He could prove more valuable to a 3-4 team because a) he's still very young; and b ) not too great of cap hit (compared to other 5 techniques out there).

However, it's always a good idea to have a player on the roster that can swing between tackle and end. Right now, JA98 and Davis are about the only two (and Davis in purely passing situations). I'm not so certain JA98 is more valuable to us than he would be to a 3-4 team.

im confused, i kno brady gave money back so the PATS could get the players they wanted... he** even sean payton did it to get greg to come to his team... so wat do u mean by a player or anyone for that matter under contract cnt tinker with it??? PLUS IF YOU THINK WERE GOING TO TAKE GRIMES OR ANY OTHER cb FROM THE GUNNER SPOT FOR JENKS THATS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN....

Edited July 15, 2011 by madman88

[madman88]

Jenkins has played plenty on special teams. He was a gunner.

And you're wrong about the importance of a team's #3, #4 receiver. Just ask GB, IND, NO, PHI, BAL... The league is becoming more and more pass happy. Teams try to take away your top weapons and the 3rd option guys are how you make them pay.

Look up the teams whose third leading receiver had 50+ catches. It's a pretty short list and consists of nearly only playoff teams. The only exception I can think of would be the Texans.

you gotta give to recieve my friend, some teams value WR more then others, we value D-LINE more, thats why we have 8 man rotation, so our #4 WILL be playing ST, ask finn he did all last year plying our #4 WR

[Voice of Reason]

Jenkins has played plenty on special teams. He was a gunner.

Really? When was that?

And you're wrong about the importance of a team's #3, #4 receiver. Just ask GB, IND, NO, PHI, BAL... The league is becoming more and more pass happy. Teams try to take away your top weapons and the 3rd option guys are how you make them pay.

I never said it wasn't important. It seems to me it is you who are underestimating the importance of the #3/4/5 play on special teams. I would also like to point out that bringing up other teams is pointless because they do not run our scheme. In our scheme, the #3/4/5 HAS to play special teams. Our TE becomes our 3rd option (it's option #2 right now really).

[Voice of Reason]

im confused, i kno brady gave money back so the PATS could get the players they wanted... he** even sean payton did it to get greg to come to his team... so wat do u mean by a player or anyone for that matter under contract cnt tinker with it???

It's different for a coach. They are not ruled by the player's union. But a player cannot lower his salary. He can only move the money around to lower his hit. The union has to sign off on any new contract and they prohibit a player from taking less money.

PLUS IF YOU THINK WERE GOING TO TAKE GRIMES OR ANY OTHER cb FROM THE GUNNER SPOT FOR JENKS THATS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN....

That's kind of my point.

[madman88]

It's different for a coach. They are not ruled by the player's union. But a player cannot lower his salary. He can only move the money around to lower his hit. The union has to sign off on any new contract and they prohibit a player from taking less money.

That's kind of my point.

oh ok my bad then but thanks for the explanation on he contact

[maxatlanta]

Funny that everyone assumes Jenkins is now our number 4 WR and that he won't play ST. Neither assumption is backed up with common sense.

To who ever asked when he played ST, look it up for yourself.

[Theyhateme : )]

Funny that everyone assumes Jenkins is now our number 4 WR and that he won't play ST. Neither assumption is backed up with common sense.

To who ever asked when he played ST, look it up for yourself.

LOLOLOL....I can't believe that question was even asked.

[NFL Draft Fan 07]

i still think with the julio deall those draft picks we gave up arent as valuable as some here seem to think when considering re signing players we already have has ALREADY BECOME OUR MOST PRESSING DISCUSSION!!! People here will talk of the cost given up to get julio while we start to realize that we already can't keep everyone. Those draft picks would have only made resigning our players even more difficult. Not to mention after next years draft and off season we have less free agents to resign and all of our normal picks again. I think giving up all of those picks actually might help in more ways than one. IT CERTAINLY wont set us back as far as some here seem to think.

This post is so wrong I don't even know where to begin.