Harvey Dahl or Tyson Clabo

[Falconsfan567]

Ok so both are free agents. All the talk is that the Falcons are going to let both of them walk and go with a couple of unproven guys on the right-side of the line. Yes both Dahl and Clabo were both unproven themselves heading into the 2008 season and it turned out alright but I just don't like the thought of letting both of them go and having 2 unproven guys on the right side of the line along with the injury proned Sam Baker at LT. Spells disaster if you ask me. I think the Falcons should try to keep one of them. Which one? I'm not sure. I love both's play past the whisle attitude.

[Voice of Reason]

Clabo, and it's not even close.

[Peyton]

Clabo, and it's not even close.

That's my thoughts as well. It's a very good player and an average player, in my opinion. Keep the very good player.

[Jimsmusic™]

Clabo easily

Mike johnson can take over for dahl.

[didz]

Clabo stays. Valdez, Johnson and Reynolds fight for the RG spot. One guy I am really high on is Andrew Jackson. If the falcons can make him a 320 plus pounder, he will be a force. I just see something in him that just shouts dominate guard. LG is most likely Andrew Jackson's position, to follow a Logan Mankins role. I would not be surprised if we saw Andrew Jackson start sooner rather than later.

[Falconsfan567]

I was thinking Tyson Clabo as well. Not only is he a very solid player I would feel a heck of a lot better with him at RT and Mike Johnson at RG than I would with Dahl at RG and Garrett Reynolds or somebody else at RT.

[1981falcsny]

I agree with what everyone has said thus far. Clabo is the better player by far, but he's going to want big money with a long term deal, he's 30, I'd love to sign him for 4 years, but if things fall through we can look at O Gaither as a less expensive option or that Yanda guy from BAL?

I'd love to keep Tyson, but I also think we will pick up a quality nick (hehe), a stop gap LB and some sort of DE ( could range from CJ to Carter/Gholston)

Regardless I'm hoping they get this Owner/Player BS over so we can get to some Falcon football!

[Falconsfan567]

Well it's been announced that the salary cap will be $120M with teams having to spend up to 90% of that. I don't know how that effects the Falcons.

[FalconFanSince1970]

I'm thinking Blalock over either of them.

[Falconsfan567]

I'm thinking Blalock over either of them.

Oh of course. No one would agrue that.

[k-train]

Clabo is better than Dahl, but he will also be looking to get paid much more than we should offer. We haven't drafted all these o-line guys over the past few years to sit on the bench forever. Reynolds in a younger version of Clabo, big body, plays to and sometime through the whistle, and he's probably much further along after 2 years than Clabo was. Svitek has also been serviceable when he's gotten an opportunity. Plus, any of these guys would be far cheaper than what it would cost to retain Clabo... and even Dahl might be looking for far more than he's really worth. Sure, we'll have some young unprover guys out there, but that doesn't mean they aren't good. Doesn't mean they're gonna be great either, but we gotta find out sooner or later. May as well be know.

Plus, we can use the cap space we save by letting guys like Clabo and Dahl walk on a younger player(s) who can be in the long term plans and can help get us to that next level... IE. CJ, Zach Miller, etc.

[Guest mashburn]

Clabo may cost us more, but it will be well worth it. Do you really want to risk loosing someone who complimented matt ryan?

[k-train]

Clabo may cost us more, but it will be well worth it. Do you really want to risk loosing someone who complimented matt ryan?

Yeah, because we probably have someone waiting in the wings who can quickly become just as good, if not better, than Clabo and for substantially less money. Clabo has finally become a solid o-lineman, but he's 30 and want's to get paid big. He's not THAT good. Solid, yes... but also replaceable, and now is the time to replace him if we are in fact going to let him walk.

Here's the thing, if the F.O. really thought Clabo was as good as you're trying to make him out to be, don't you think they would've given him more than a one year deal last season? Wouldn't they have tried to re-sign him to a long term deal at some point last season if they thought he was good enough to keep around? I mean, they've given guys like Jenkins and Davis deals... but not a guy like Clabo. What does that tell you about how much they value Clabo? They didn't even extend a tender to him this year. What does that tell you?

Clabo is NOT worth what some team is going to pay him.

[MattM12]

Blalock... I wouldn't blink if Dahl left, and I would laugh if he got top 10 G money.

Clabo would hurt

[delaigle]

You do understand that if they keep Blalock and Clabo (which I like)

then most likely Valdez and Bruggeman are gone.

They have 12 total O-linemen now and they keep 9 on the active roster.

Valdez and Bruggeman both have sent 2 years on the practice squad and are not

able to go back there.

Then they have added A. Jackson and I do not think it would be wise to put him

on the PS because some other team would grab him.

So to have room on the active roster for 9 (with Dahl not resigned)

Baker Svitek

Blalock

McClure Hawley

Johnson Jackson

Clabo Reynolds

and Valdez and Bruggeman are gone (unless Valdez beats out Svitek)

Edited July 15, 2011 by delaigle

[Voice of Reason]

Here's the thing, if the F.O. really thought Clabo was as good as you're trying to make him out to be, don't you think they would've given him more than a one year deal last season? Wouldn't they have tried to re-sign him to a long term deal at some point last season if they thought he was good enough to keep around? I mean, they've given guys like Jenkins and Davis deals... but not a guy like Clabo. What does that tell you about how much they value Clabo? They didn't even extend a tender to him this year. What does that tell you?

That's not really a valid comparison.

Neither teams nor players/agents were trying to get contract extensions last year because no one knew the structure of the new CBA. There was even a chance that Clabo stayed under contract (meaning if the owners were forced to lift the lockout, then the league would have operated under the same rules for yet another year, preventing Clabo from reaching UFA status). My point - without a new CBA, teams didn't extend players' deals (same reason Peyton's contract is still unresolved - you think the Colts don't value him?).

Also, you can only place tenders on RFA. Clabo is slated to be an UFA. So, that reasoning is also not a valid thought.

In short, I'm not saying we will resign Clabo, just that we have no idea how much our FO values Clabo.

[Voice of Reason]

You do understand that if they keep Blalock and Clabo (which I like)

then most likely Valdez and Bruggeman are gone.

They have 12 total O-linemen now and they keep 9 on the active roster.

Valdez and Bruggeman both have sent 2 years on the practice squad and are not

able to go back there.

Then they have added A. Jackson and I do not think it would be wise to put him

on the PS because some other team would grab him.

So to have room on the active roster for 9 (with Dahl not resigned)

Baker Svitek

Blalock

McClure Hawley

Johnson Jackson

Clabo Reynolds

and Valdez and Bruggeman are gone (unless Valdez beats out Svitek)

I'm not sure this is entirely true, though. Didn't they let Valdez go for a short period his first season. In other words, I'm not sure both players spent the entire two seasons on the PS. I seem to remember Valdez being injured. I could be wrong, but if they had him on IR or the PUP list, that would allow us to stash him for a few games on the PS.

Also, you must remember that the past draft was a very, very weak one. We might very well be able to sneak a lower round pick like Jackson on the PS.

Just a thought...(might be wishful thinking because I really think Valdez is starting caliber).

[freebird310]

I'm not sure this is entirely true, though. Didn't they let Valdez go for a short period his first season. In other words, I'm not sure both players spent the entire two seasons on the PS. I seem to remember Valdez being injured. I could be wrong, but if they had him on IR or the PUP list, that would allow us to stash him for a few games on the PS.

Also, you must remember that the past draft was a very, very weak one. We might very well be able to sneak a lower round pick like Jackson on the PS.

Just a thought...(might be wishful thinking because I really think Valdez is starting caliber).

Me too ....I like everything I have seen from Valdez so far, he can play guard or tackle, cat has got some quik feet for a guy that big, he is a guy who attacks the second level .........

[delaigle]

I'm not sure this is entirely true, though. Didn't they let Valdez go for a short period his first season. In other words, I'm not sure both players spent the entire two seasons on the PS. I seem to remember Valdez being injured. I could be wrong, but if they had him on IR or the PUP list, that would allow us to stash him for a few games on the PS.

Also, you must remember that the past draft was a very, very weak one. We might very well be able to sneak a lower round pick like Jackson on the PS.

Just a thought...(might be wishful thinking because I really think Valdez is starting caliber).

I went back and checked "my un-official" list that I keep and I can't find anything on him being injured, in fact I noted 09 on PS all season and 10 on PS 17 weeks BUT of course my list mean nothing except to me, oh I really really would like to see him on the roster.

Edited July 15, 2011 by delaigle

[delaigle]

I'm not sure this is entirely true, though. Didn't they let Valdez go for a short period his first season. In other words, I'm not sure both players spent the entire two seasons on the PS. I seem to remember Valdez being injured. I could be wrong, but if they had him on IR or the PUP list, that would allow us to stash him for a few games on the PS.

Also, you must remember that the past draft was a very, very weak one. We might very well be able to sneak a lower round pick like Jackson on the PS.

Just a thought...(might be wishful thinking because I really think Valdez is starting caliber).

I just remember 08 B. Miller TE, K. Darby RB, D. Parker DT all signed for the PS

09 Middleton CB, snatched between the active and PS roster

10 Nance RB signed from the PS

Only Middleton was a draft pick BUT then we did stow James LB away there for 2 years

Edited July 15, 2011 by delaigle

[Falconsfan567]

Clabo is better than Dahl, but he will also be looking to get paid much more than we should offer. We haven't drafted all these o-line guys over the past few years to sit on the bench forever. Reynolds in a younger version of Clabo, big body, plays to and sometime through the whistle, and he's probably much further along after 2 years than Clabo was. Svitek has also been serviceable when he's gotten an opportunity. Plus, any of these guys would be far cheaper than what it would cost to retain Clabo... and even Dahl might be looking for far more than he's really worth. Sure, we'll have some young unprover guys out there, but that doesn't mean they aren't good. Doesn't mean they're gonna be great either, but we gotta find out sooner or later. May as well be know.

Plus, we can use the cap space we save by letting guys like Clabo and Dahl walk on a younger player(s) who can be in the long term plans and can help get us to that next level... IE. CJ, Zach Miller, etc.

You make good and valid points. I just don't want us to become thin at OL if say the injury bug bites. If Sam Baker wasn't such a question mark at LT it might be different but last year was the first time Baker was finally able to play in all the games.

You do understand that if they keep Blalock and Clabo (which I like)

then most likely Valdez and Bruggeman are gone.

They have 12 total O-linemen now and they keep 9 on the active roster.

Valdez and Bruggeman both have sent 2 years on the practice squad and are not

able to go back there.

Then they have added A. Jackson and I do not think it would be wise to put him

on the PS because some other team would grab him.

So to have room on the active roster for 9 (with Dahl not resigned)

Baker Svitek

Blalock

McClure Hawley

Johnson Jackson

Clabo Reynolds

and Valdez and Bruggeman are gone (unless Valdez beats out Svitek)

Who are Valdez and Bruggeman? Guys that if they leave I want even know the difference. We spent draft picks on Johnson, Hawley, Reynolds and Jackson the past couple of years. I don't think we'll miss Valdez or Bruggeman.

[delaigle]

Who are Valdez and Bruggeman? Guys that if they leave I want even know the difference. We spent draft picks on Johnson, Hawley, Reynolds and Jackson the past couple of years. I don't think we'll miss Valdez or Bruggeman.

I was just pointing that very thing out, other posters were saying Valdez had a very good chance of making the roster and I was trying to show it would not be easy for him (or Bruggeman) to make it.

Edited July 16, 2011 by delaigle

[Knight of God]

Clabo and Blalock no contest.

[Xfactor]

Clabo

[peoriabird]

I'm thinking Blalock over either of them.

Agreed!