Vernon Gholston

[Knight of God]

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Is there hope for Vernon Gholston?

Vernon Gholston was an absolute monster in college. In his last college season, he recorded 14 sacks and was the only man to record a sack against, consensus number one pick, Jack Long. Gholston's combination of size (6'4'', 265,) speed (4.58 40) and stregnth (37 reps) made him a highly coveted prospect. The only knock on him was the fact that he hadn't played football his whole life and needed work on coverage and was thus labeled a bit of a project. However. after only two seasons, fans and the media alike are not happy with how the project has been coming along.

Today, the Star Ledger reported that some members within the Jets are considering parting ways with Gholson. If the Jets chose to due the latter, I'm sure there wouldn't be much of an outcry considering that many fans and media members alike believe that Gholston "either doesn't care or doesn't understand the magnitude of his non-production." In fact, if anyone brings up some current Jets that were labelled as busts before breaking out this year, such as D'Brickashaw or Pouha, a common counter is "The difference is that POUHA LOVES the game and loves to compete. The GHOST is a workout warrior and does not LOVE contact or the sport." I really can't stand arguments like that. How can we, as fans, glean that Gholston doesn't love the game? Is his medicore play and his enjoyment of working out really proof that he doesn't love the game? Mets OF Jeff Francoeur loves country music and has stated that he'd trade being a baseball player for being a country singer, but I've never heard fans question Frenchy's love.

While poor play is one reason fans think Gholston doesn't love football, Calvin Pace addresses another reason in this interview.

"The thing is with Vernon, he's the type of person where he's got the same demeanor every day," Pace said. "If something is funny, he's got the same demeanor. If something's bad, he's got the same demeanor. So, I always was like, 'Man, it's just hard to read him.' Then I'm thinking like, well, 'Does he like to play?' Because everybody plays for different reasons, whether it's for money or fame, whatever. But you play for something. I know he likes to play. He takes notes, he watches film. Everybody believes in (Gholston). Really, it's just getting to the point where he says, 'All right, I can do this.' "

If you're quiet and good, it's confidence; if you're quiet and bad, it's indifference. Pace believes in him and while these past two seasons have been rough for Vernon, Pace is exactly the man that can help guide Gholston to his potential. Calvin Pace was a three year starter for Wake Forest. His senior season saw him complie 73 tackles including 8 sacks. Just like Gholston, the numbers didn't justify the potential as Pace was also in peak physical shape and according to Senior Manager who had an English class with Calvin, "he had hands like anvils." Thus, when the Cardinals drafted Pace 18th overall, there were many fans disappointed with what they considered a reach. In order to justify the pick and also a reflection of their poor defense, Pace started all 16 games of his rookie season, recording only 25 tackles and just one sack. Pace would lose his starting job and wouldn't be a regular starter for the next three seasons. By 2007, after 4 seasons in the NFL, Pace was a 27 year old veteran with only 68 total tackles, the definition of a bust. As we all know, Pace broke out in his 5th NFL season, doubling all of his career numbers and signing a (at the time, though I think most fans forgot) questionably lucarative deal with the Jets.

While it's impossible to say if Gholston is going to follow a path similar to Pace, it's also impossible to say if he's going to follow the path of Brian Bosworth.

Now, personally I am of the mind that he can truly bounce back in the 4-3. I have heard from many that he actually is VERY confused by the 3-4. I say try him out and see what happens. What is there to lose by dropping Anderson who has proven he is not a fit. I think this guy needs a team like the Falcons to truly break out.

[Guest mashburn]

agree. the same I say for anderson, he should go back to a team for 3-4.

it will hurt nothing in trying out this guy, plus if we do like him, it will cost us barelly anything because the guy has shown nothing.

[kane#7]

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Is there hope for Vernon Gholston?

Vernon Gholston was an absolute monster in college. In his last college season, he recorded 14 sacks and was the only man to record a sack against, consensus number one pick, Jack Long. Gholston's combination of size (6'4'', 265,) speed (4.58 40) and stregnth (37 reps) made him a highly coveted prospect. The only knock on him was the fact that he hadn't played football his whole life and needed work on coverage and was thus labeled a bit of a project. However. after only two seasons, fans and the media alike are not happy with how the project has been coming along.

Today, the Star Ledger reported that some members within the Jets are considering parting ways with Gholson. If the Jets chose to due the latter, I'm sure there wouldn't be much of an outcry considering that many fans and media members alike believe that Gholston "either doesn't care or doesn't understand the magnitude of his non-production." In fact, if anyone brings up some current Jets that were labelled as busts before breaking out this year, such as D'Brickashaw or Pouha, a common counter is "The difference is that POUHA LOVES the game and loves to compete. The GHOST is a workout warrior and does not LOVE contact or the sport." I really can't stand arguments like that. How can we, as fans, glean that Gholston doesn't love the game? Is his medicore play and his enjoyment of working out really proof that he doesn't love the game? Mets OF Jeff Francoeur loves country music and has stated that he'd trade being a baseball player for being a country singer, but I've never heard fans question Frenchy's love.

While poor play is one reason fans think Gholston doesn't love football, Calvin Pace addresses another reason in this interview.

"The thing is with Vernon, he's the type of person where he's got the same demeanor every day," Pace said. "If something is funny, he's got the same demeanor. If something's bad, he's got the same demeanor. So, I always was like, 'Man, it's just hard to read him.' Then I'm thinking like, well, 'Does he like to play?' Because everybody plays for different reasons, whether it's for money or fame, whatever. But you play for something. I know he likes to play. He takes notes, he watches film. Everybody believes in (Gholston). Really, it's just getting to the point where he says, 'All right, I can do this.' "

If you're quiet and good, it's confidence; if you're quiet and bad, it's indifference. Pace believes in him and while these past two seasons have been rough for Vernon, Pace is exactly the man that can help guide Gholston to his potential. Calvin Pace was a three year starter for Wake Forest. His senior season saw him complie 73 tackles including 8 sacks. Just like Gholston, the numbers didn't justify the potential as Pace was also in peak physical shape and according to Senior Manager who had an English class with Calvin, "he had hands like anvils." Thus, when the Cardinals drafted Pace 18th overall, there were many fans disappointed with what they considered a reach. In order to justify the pick and also a reflection of their poor defense, Pace started all 16 games of his rookie season, recording only 25 tackles and just one sack. Pace would lose his starting job and wouldn't be a regular starter for the next three seasons. By 2007, after 4 seasons in the NFL, Pace was a 27 year old veteran with only 68 total tackles, the definition of a bust. As we all know, Pace broke out in his 5th NFL season, doubling all of his career numbers and signing a (at the time, though I think most fans forgot) questionably lucarative deal with the Jets.

While it's impossible to say if Gholston is going to follow a path similar to Pace, it's also impossible to say if he's going to follow the path of Brian Bosworth.

Now, personally I am of the mind that he can truly bounce back in the 4-3. I have heard from many that he actually is VERY confused by the 3-4. I say try him out and see what happens. What is there to lose by dropping Anderson who has proven he is not a fit. I think this guy needs a team like the Falcons to truly break out.

I wouldn't mind trying him out...

We need a guy who is established though... If CJ comes in and takes JA98's spot let Gholston come in and battle Davis.

Edited July 11, 2011 by kane#7

[Knight of God]

I wouldn't mind trying him out...

We need a guy who is established though... If CJ comes in and takes JA98's spot let Gholston come in and battle Davis.

I agree, but I have this sinking feeling that Johnson will be on the other side of our RT again. If he's gone I don't have long term confidence in anyone, so I would hope that we go cheap and get a guy who WANTS a chance and isn't bragging about things he has yet to do.

[1981falcsny]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd love to see us replace JA98 with a much cheaper, incentive based Gholston. I think he has upside that we could help him reach.

I would much rather see his name on the roster than Edwards at starting DE money (Johnson being my first choice, I don't want to spend big money on older Babin, and Kiwi's neck injury scares me)

Edited July 11, 2011 by 1981falcsny

[Knight of God]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd love to see us replace JA98 with a much cheaper, incentive based Gholston. I think he has upside that we could help him reach.

I would much rather see his name on the roster than Edwards at starting DE money (Johnson being my first choice, I don't want to spend big money on older Babin, and Kiwi's neck injury scares me)

You sir, have done some research.

[Dharma Initiative]

This guy has been flat out awful. He had like 13 tackles his entire rookie season and he still has yet to get a sack. He is a bust in a 3-4 and a 4-3, he played for possibly the best defensive mind in football and still was one of the worst defenders over the past few seasons.

Goodbye, the NFL is too much for him. And they check for steroids, hence his dropoff

Edited July 11, 2011 by Dharma Initiative

[Knight of God]

This guy has been flat out awful. He had like 13 tackles his entire rookie season and he still has yet to get a sack. He is a bust in a 3-4 and a 4-3, he played for possibly the best defensive mind in football and still was one of the worst defenders over the past few seasons.

Goodbye, the NFL is too much for him. And they check for steroids, hence his dropoff

LOL!!!

[ltstorm2]

I was highly suprised Gholston didn't perform well. He's probably the only guy that i've been completely completely wrong bout. If he came dirt cheap i'd like to kick the tires for sure. Maybe a change of scenery and having his hand in the dirt full time might make a difference.

[Knight of God]

I was highly suprised Gholston didn't perform well. He's probably the only guy that i've been completely completely wrong bout. If he came dirt cheap i'd like to kick the tires for sure. Maybe a change of scenery and having his hand in the dirt full time might make a difference.

I think you were right about him. If I remember correctly you argued that he was a 4-3 DE on the left or right while someone else swore that he was a 3-4 OLB. Dharma is incorrect. He has had near to no snaps at the 4-3 except at practice since coming in to the NFL.

[The Falcon Jedi Knight]

No. The guy is just lazy. He got his payday when he got drafted, he hasnt tried to improve his skills or step up to the NFL level since then.

[Knight of God]

No. The guy is just lazy. He got his payday when he got drafted, he hasnt tried to improve his skills or step up to the NFL level since then.

I know he hasn't done much but to say "lazy" is a very wrong assumption. You still my boy, but I know for a true on fact that this incorrect.

[shockerfalcon]

If he comes cheap I say why not its not like we dont have the cap space and if we lose out on edwards and johnson wed have nothing to lose by bringing him in. guy cant be worse than anderson or davis.

[SSL810HIO]

I'm an OSU fan and i'll tell you he is a monster in the 4-3. The only knock on him from what i seen is he tended to dissapear on some plays and be a non factor. With the right coaching and some much needed pep talks gholston could be a FA gem for us. Gholston going to 3-4 was really a bad move for him. Let him stick his hand in the dirt where he is best at. I've seen some articles in the paper of Rex letting him get some reps as a 3-4 end and he actually looked decent. I would love to get gholston for cheap and skip on Ray E. That said though i still pray we get CJ and who knows maybe we can get both CJ an VG

[Dem Birds]

I was highly suprised Gholston didn't perform well. He's probably the only guy that i've been completely completely wrong bout. If he came dirt cheap i'd like to kick the tires for sure. Maybe a change of scenery and having his hand in the dirt full time might make a difference.

I knew Gholston was no more than a workout warrior, weak college conference and played for Ohio State were EVERYONE gets overrated. See Michael Jenkins as a first round pick.

[madman88]

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Is there hope for Vernon Gholston?

Vernon Gholston was an absolute monster in college. In his last college season, he recorded 14 sacks and was the only man to record a sack against, consensus number one pick, Jack Long. Gholston's combination of size (6'4'', 265,) speed (4.58 40) and stregnth (37 reps) made him a highly coveted prospect. The only knock on him was the fact that he hadn't played football his whole life and needed work on coverage and was thus labeled a bit of a project. However. after only two seasons, fans and the media alike are not happy with how the project has been coming along.

Today, the Star Ledger reported that some members within the Jets are considering parting ways with Gholson. If the Jets chose to due the latter, I'm sure there wouldn't be much of an outcry considering that many fans and media members alike believe that Gholston "either doesn't care or doesn't understand the magnitude of his non-production." In fact, if anyone brings up some current Jets that were labelled as busts before breaking out this year, such as D'Brickashaw or Pouha, a common counter is "The difference is that POUHA LOVES the game and loves to compete. The GHOST is a workout warrior and does not LOVE contact or the sport." I really can't stand arguments like that. How can we, as fans, glean that Gholston doesn't love the game? Is his medicore play and his enjoyment of working out really proof that he doesn't love the game? Mets OF Jeff Francoeur loves country music and has stated that he'd trade being a baseball player for being a country singer, but I've never heard fans question Frenchy's love.

While poor play is one reason fans think Gholston doesn't love football, Calvin Pace addresses another reason in this interview.

"The thing is with Vernon, he's the type of person where he's got the same demeanor every day," Pace said. "If something is funny, he's got the same demeanor. If something's bad, he's got the same demeanor. So, I always was like, 'Man, it's just hard to read him.' Then I'm thinking like, well, 'Does he like to play?' Because everybody plays for different reasons, whether it's for money or fame, whatever. But you play for something. I know he likes to play. He takes notes, he watches film. Everybody believes in (Gholston). Really, it's just getting to the point where he says, 'All right, I can do this.' "

If you're quiet and good, it's confidence; if you're quiet and bad, it's indifference. Pace believes in him and while these past two seasons have been rough for Vernon, Pace is exactly the man that can help guide Gholston to his potential. Calvin Pace was a three year starter for Wake Forest. His senior season saw him complie 73 tackles including 8 sacks. Just like Gholston, the numbers didn't justify the potential as Pace was also in peak physical shape and according to Senior Manager who had an English class with Calvin, "he had hands like anvils." Thus, when the Cardinals drafted Pace 18th overall, there were many fans disappointed with what they considered a reach. In order to justify the pick and also a reflection of their poor defense, Pace started all 16 games of his rookie season, recording only 25 tackles and just one sack. Pace would lose his starting job and wouldn't be a regular starter for the next three seasons. By 2007, after 4 seasons in the NFL, Pace was a 27 year old veteran with only 68 total tackles, the definition of a bust. As we all know, Pace broke out in his 5th NFL season, doubling all of his career numbers and signing a (at the time, though I think most fans forgot) questionably lucarative deal with the Jets.

While it's impossible to say if Gholston is going to follow a path similar to Pace, it's also impossible to say if he's going to follow the path of Brian Bosworth.

Now, personally I am of the mind that he can truly bounce back in the 4-3. I have heard from many that he actually is VERY confused by the 3-4. I say try him out and see what happens. What is there to lose by dropping Anderson who has proven he is not a fit. I think this guy needs a team like the Falcons to truly break out.

id rather cut chanucy then anderson, he's the better run defender, and shows some toughness(surprisingly)... but the idea of checking the guy out isnt a bad thing... it has been proven with time u can be pretty d** good ala strahan is one of them... so hwo knos...

[kane#7]

I wouldn't mind him but if I was him i would want to go to the Lions and join that Dline it looks like it could be fun for them.

[Knight of God]

id rather cut chanucy then anderson, he's the better run defender, and shows some toughness(surprisingly)... but the idea of checking the guy out isnt a bad thing... it has been proven with time u can be pretty d** good ala strahan is one of them... so hwo knos...

This is what I've been saying. He needs to be a down lineman. Not a LB.

[madman88]

This is what I've been saying. He needs to be a down lineman. Not a LB.

agreed....

[Knight of God]

I wouldn't mind him but if I was him i would want to go to the Lions and join that Dline it looks like it could be fun for them.

Vandenbosch, Suh, Fairley, Gholston

We don't play them do we?

[Dem Birds]

Vandenbosch, Suh, Fairley, Gholston

We don't play them do we?

Yes, unfortunately we do....

....that's weird to worry about the Lions...

[ltstorm2]

Vandenbosch, Suh, Fairley, Gholston

We don't play them do we?

That guy by himself is A LOT to worry about.

[egoprime II]

Yes, unfortunately we do....

....that's weird to worry about the Lions...

No need to worry. Chris Houston is considered to be thier BEST CB, heh....:P

[Dharma Initiative]

Vandenbosch, Suh, Fairley, Gholston

We don't play them do we?

Why would you be scared of Gholston? He's shown nothing in the NFL

[MattM12]

I would kick tires on him at a low contract. Stick his hand in the dirt and see how he does.

terrible 3-4 backer, but I won't begrudge him for being picked high.